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Re: 3.02 ct Round J SI1 Completely eyeclean, spready, 0.6 HC
Hi OP, I've admired your diamond and setting since you put it up for sale last year...what happened? I know there were interested ps members back then and inquiries. I see you dropped your price by $2k, a good move
Good luck with your sale, I wish I could get it now but I'm on a 5 yr plan, lol.
Hi OP, I've admired your diamond and setting since you put it up for sale last year...what happened? I know there were interested ps members back then and inquiries. I see you dropped your price by $2k, a good move
Good luck with your sale, I wish I could get it now but I'm on a 5 yr plan, lol.
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Re: 3.02 ct Round J SI1 Completely eyeclean, spready, 0.6 HC
I'm shocked this hasn't sold yet. Do you have a set or IS to post to help your sale? I'm not ready now but may be end of next year, if it's still available
good luck. I understand your desire for an old cut though. For me, just love the traditional sparkly!
I'm shocked this hasn't sold yet. Do you have a set or IS to post to help your sale? I'm not ready now but may be end of next year, if it's still available
good luck. I understand your desire for an old cut though. For me, just love the traditional sparkly!
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Re: 3.02 ct Round J SI1 Completely eyeclean, spready, 0.6 HC
It scores a 0.6 on the HCA which is pretty darn great, it has fantastic proportions and you can see in the pics it's well cut so why do you need an ASET image?
luvdajules|1430169182|3868601 said:I'm shocked this hasn't sold yet. Do you have a set or IS to post to help your sale? I'm not ready now but may be end of next year, if it's still available
It scores a 0.6 on the HCA which is pretty darn great, it has fantastic proportions and you can see in the pics it's well cut so why do you need an ASET image?
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Re: 3.02 ct Round J SI1 Completely eyeclean, spready, 0.6 HC
My comments were not meant to be snarky at all and I am sorry you have taken them that way. I live on the other side of the world to the seller and have no conflict of interest stating it is a well cut diamond. I am simply pointing out that with a 0.6 HCA you should not also need an ASET image. You could probably send it to GOG or somewhere to get one after you purchased the stone if you wanted one, all I was saying was the stone is not a high risk or any sort of risk for that matter without an ASET image. Any stones that gets a HCA score that low are the best of the best so to speak cut wise. If I was into RBs I would buy it myself.
I read your other thread to try and understand where you are coming from wanting an ASET image and you state you have seen some that are crisp and others that are dull with blurry edges - some of them are like that not due to the stones themselves it can be because of the way vendors take and post the images, so you have to be careful that the ASET images themselves are not all different from different vendors and hence - it won't necessarily show you what I think you are after about the diamonds themselves, sometimes perfect diamonds can be a bit on an angle, tilted for example when they attempt to take the images and that messes up what you think you can see too - so I am not entirely sure you are going to see what you want to see with an ASET. Again I am not having a go at you, simply pointing out they are no 100% perfect and foolproof either.
If you are unsure maybe you could meet the seller at a safe agreed place and look at the stone in person and judge for yourself.
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My comments were not meant to be snarky at all and I am sorry you have taken them that way. I live on the other side of the world to the seller and have no conflict of interest stating it is a well cut diamond. I am simply pointing out that with a 0.6 HCA you should not also need an ASET image. You could probably send it to GOG or somewhere to get one after you purchased the stone if you wanted one, all I was saying was the stone is not a high risk or any sort of risk for that matter without an ASET image. Any stones that gets a HCA score that low are the best of the best so to speak cut wise. If I was into RBs I would buy it myself.
I read your other thread to try and understand where you are coming from wanting an ASET image and you state you have seen some that are crisp and others that are dull with blurry edges - some of them are like that not due to the stones themselves it can be because of the way vendors take and post the images, so you have to be careful that the ASET images themselves are not all different from different vendors and hence - it won't necessarily show you what I think you are after about the diamonds themselves, sometimes perfect diamonds can be a bit on an angle, tilted for example when they attempt to take the images and that messes up what you think you can see too - so I am not entirely sure you are going to see what you want to see with an ASET. Again I am not having a go at you, simply pointing out they are no 100% perfect and foolproof either.
If you are unsure maybe you could meet the seller at a safe agreed place and look at the stone in person and judge for yourself.
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Re: 3.02 ct Round J SI1 Completely eyeclean, spready, 0.6 HC
Hey arkieb1,
It was my understanding that an HCA value of <2 is what is sought for and 0.6 isn't necessarily better than a 1.5. Also it was my understanding that HCA is an exclusion tool, not a selection tool, so that a score of 0.6 does not negate any potential buyers from desiring an ASET/IS? A photo is difficult to assess diamond cut on. I'm sure it is a lovely stone.
Good luck to the OP for the sale!
Hey arkieb1,
It was my understanding that an HCA value of <2 is what is sought for and 0.6 isn't necessarily better than a 1.5. Also it was my understanding that HCA is an exclusion tool, not a selection tool, so that a score of 0.6 does not negate any potential buyers from desiring an ASET/IS? A photo is difficult to assess diamond cut on. I'm sure it is a lovely stone.
Good luck to the OP for the sale!
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Re: 3.02 ct Round J SI1 Completely eyeclean, spready, 0.6 HC
Sorry for the threadjack Autumgems!!!
True but ASET images are not the be all and end all especially when they can sometimes be accidentally taken on a bit of an angle, etc that means they don't always give a realistic depiction of a perfect stone. I wouldn't rule a good stone out simply because it has no ASET image.
Yes it's a rejection tool. But, if you look at the angles and proportions of the stone in conjunction with the HCA then you can get a pretty darn good indication if one 1.50 stone is better than another 1.50 or how a 1.50 is versus a different stone that scores a .60. The HCA is a tool to be used in conjunction with other tools, but if you feel you need an ASET then get one.
Don't get me wrong, I think they are wonderful for fancy cuts like Emerald cuts and pears where the numbers don't always give an accurate indication of what you can see, ASET images can be completely worthless with old cuts ie two old cuts can have similar ASET images yet one will be stunning and one will be a dog. There are threads on here with examples of this using old cuts rending ASETs for genuine old cuts as fairly pointless. Someone like David from DBL argues much the same as I do they can also be fairly useless with radiant cuts for example too.
RBs are much more cut and dried provided the specs fit within a certain set of desired numbers and the stones gets a decent HCA I personally think an ASET image is unnecessary. But if it makes people feel more comfortable, particularly new or first time buyers, then look up who has a machine and before you purchase a stone pay and get one, if a vendor has a machine ask for one, or buy a handheld Ideal scope and use that to check out stones for yourself. Better yet, if you can view the stone in person.
IMHO it's a very nice stone, at a great price-point with a good spread for someone wanting to get a 3+ carat sized stone. The point I was making badly above which was never meant to sound snarky was that it should not be overlooked by potential purchasers simply because it currently has no ASET image.
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Sorry for the threadjack Autumgems!!!
True but ASET images are not the be all and end all especially when they can sometimes be accidentally taken on a bit of an angle, etc that means they don't always give a realistic depiction of a perfect stone. I wouldn't rule a good stone out simply because it has no ASET image.
Yes it's a rejection tool. But, if you look at the angles and proportions of the stone in conjunction with the HCA then you can get a pretty darn good indication if one 1.50 stone is better than another 1.50 or how a 1.50 is versus a different stone that scores a .60. The HCA is a tool to be used in conjunction with other tools, but if you feel you need an ASET then get one.
Don't get me wrong, I think they are wonderful for fancy cuts like Emerald cuts and pears where the numbers don't always give an accurate indication of what you can see, ASET images can be completely worthless with old cuts ie two old cuts can have similar ASET images yet one will be stunning and one will be a dog. There are threads on here with examples of this using old cuts rending ASETs for genuine old cuts as fairly pointless. Someone like David from DBL argues much the same as I do they can also be fairly useless with radiant cuts for example too.
RBs are much more cut and dried provided the specs fit within a certain set of desired numbers and the stones gets a decent HCA I personally think an ASET image is unnecessary. But if it makes people feel more comfortable, particularly new or first time buyers, then look up who has a machine and before you purchase a stone pay and get one, if a vendor has a machine ask for one, or buy a handheld Ideal scope and use that to check out stones for yourself. Better yet, if you can view the stone in person.
IMHO it's a very nice stone, at a great price-point with a good spread for someone wanting to get a 3+ carat sized stone. The point I was making badly above which was never meant to sound snarky was that it should not be overlooked by potential purchasers simply because it currently has no ASET image.
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Re: 3.02 ct Round J SI1 Completely eyeclean, spready, 0.6 HC
Thanks for your explanation. FYI I've just bought a RB 1.3 without the ID/Aset image based on numbers alone. It is better than I hoped so I completely understand what you're saying! My comments were not at all intended to deter anyone from this stone which I'm sure is stunning.
Thanks for your explanation. FYI I've just bought a RB 1.3 without the ID/Aset image based on numbers alone. It is better than I hoped so I completely understand what you're saying! My comments were not at all intended to deter anyone from this stone which I'm sure is stunning.
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Oh look don't get me started on ASET images, this probably needs a whole other thread in itself. I've seen over the years people coming on here saying one stone is not as good as the next stone because the ASET image it has is paler in certain areas or the arrows in an RB aren't as crisp as the pics displayed by a different vendor..... Vendors use different lighting and different ways to post their images online. One well known vendor that most of you know and love enhances all his images so ummm yeah, ASET images are really really useful for telling us things about fancy cuts and for RBS to a degree but they are not the be all and end all of judging a stone.
Oh look don't get me started on ASET images, this probably needs a whole other thread in itself. I've seen over the years people coming on here saying one stone is not as good as the next stone because the ASET image it has is paler in certain areas or the arrows in an RB aren't as crisp as the pics displayed by a different vendor..... Vendors use different lighting and different ways to post their images online. One well known vendor that most of you know and love enhances all his images so ummm yeah, ASET images are really really useful for telling us things about fancy cuts and for RBS to a degree but they are not the be all and end all of judging a stone.
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Re: 3.02 ct Round J SI1 Completely eyeclean, spready, 0.6 HC
Hi arkieb1, I didn't realize we had a vender here who enhances assets--wow. When you say 'enhances', what exactly? By darkening ares that should be darker, & vise versa? Egads--not cool IMHO. I do know of a (primarily) color stone vender who uses proprietary lighting techniques etc to enhance his stone pics--which almost all do I'd guess, but to enhance an asset is pushing the envelope a bit, isn't it?
I would like to know who that is, so I (& other)s are fully informed...I hate to admit this, but I am not a cut guru, even though I love to read rocky talky & have been here for almost 3 years so knowing the vender would indeed be helpful to a shopper such as myself. Thanks in advance arkieb1 
Hi arkieb1, I didn't realize we had a vender here who enhances assets--wow. When you say 'enhances', what exactly? By darkening ares that should be darker, & vise versa? Egads--not cool IMHO. I do know of a (primarily) color stone vender who uses proprietary lighting techniques etc to enhance his stone pics--which almost all do I'd guess, but to enhance an asset is pushing the envelope a bit, isn't it?
I would like to know who that is, so I (& other)s are fully informed...I hate to admit this, but I am not a cut guru, even though I love to read rocky talky & have been here for almost 3 years
so knowing the vender would indeed be helpful to a shopper such as myself. Thanks in advance arkieb1
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Sarahb - It seems to me to be fairly standard practise from a couple of vendors to bump up ASET images and post generic images which edit out the inclusions in SI stones in their main images. It's no great conspiracy it's just what they do to make their stones look better in the case of editing out inclusions in the glamour pics and to make ASET images I guess in some ways easier to see/read colourwise. I have postings on LT under the same name if you want to contact me it's not difficult to find me.
Anyway enough thread-jacking - I hope you sell this stone soon Autumngems, if I was into RBs or I could talk my husband into another diamond I would buy it myself.
Sarahb - It seems to me to be fairly standard practise from a couple of vendors to bump up ASET images and post generic images which edit out the inclusions in SI stones in their main images. It's no great conspiracy it's just what they do to make their stones look better in the case of editing out inclusions in the glamour pics and to make ASET images I guess in some ways easier to see/read colourwise. I have postings on LT under the same name if you want to contact me it's not difficult to find me.
Anyway enough thread-jacking - I hope you sell this stone soon Autumngems, if I was into RBs or I could talk my husband into another diamond I would buy it myself.
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Arkieb1, thank you for responding and explaining. I do accept that you were trying to be helpful. I, too, am trying to be helpful to the seller as I've suggested having an appraisal done that can provide IS, tons of pics and aset for the reasonable price of $85, but also shipping maybe. I know denverappraiser can do this and maybe even able handle the escrow for additional fee. I feel confident that her stone would sell more easily this info. and at a higher price with more interest. An IS is maybe all that is needed with enlarged real images. I agree, a serious buyer should also have this done anyway.
Fwiw, imo, anyone looking for a diamond with these specs or similar, will likely compare not only price but information offered to make selection. Other things to consider is other benefits that vendors offer, like buy back or upgrade policies. All those factor into who a buyer might feel comfortable working with. Having more info. I think would be helpful especially if there's no return window or sale is final if goods meets stated (During escrow). Anyway, all of this just my opinion as I've just been through the process last year researching for my 2 ct. J/si2 And being relatively new to the diamond world. GL to op for a quick sale so she can get her old cut diamond!
Arkieb1, thank you for responding and explaining. I do accept that you were trying to be helpful. I, too, am trying to be helpful to the seller as I've suggested having an appraisal done that can provide IS, tons of pics and aset for the reasonable price of $85, but also shipping maybe. I know denverappraiser can do this and maybe even able handle the escrow for additional fee. I feel confident that her stone would sell more easily this info. and at a higher price with more interest. An IS is maybe all that is needed with enlarged real images. I agree, a serious buyer should also have this done anyway.
Fwiw, imo, anyone looking for a diamond with these specs or similar, will likely compare not only price but information offered to make selection. Other things to consider is other benefits that vendors offer, like buy back or upgrade policies. All those factor into who a buyer might feel comfortable working with. Having more info. I think would be helpful especially if there's no return window or sale is final if goods meets stated (During escrow). Anyway, all of this just my opinion as I've just been through the process last year researching for my 2 ct. J/si2 And being relatively new to the diamond world. GL to op for a quick sale so she can get her old cut diamond!
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