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mightyred

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Regardless of your religious persuasion and how you feel about his issues....I think little is known about this fascinating man.

As a young man he enjoyed sports, including soccer and skiing, and had a love of acting and the theatre. He was still a teenager in 1939 when German tanks invaded Poland. During World War II and the Nazi occupation he worked as a labourer, studying theology in secret. In 1944 following a crackdown on religious teaching he was forced into hiding. Many of his friends went to concentration camps.
Continuing his studies after the war, he was ordained a priest in 1946. By 1964 he was Archbishop of Krakow and three years later he became a cardinal. He was an unexpected choice for pope when he was elected in 1978, aged 58 (the youngest). He was the first non-Italian for 450 years and was seen as an outsider for the job. He took the name John Paul II.

He has gone on to be one of the most travelled Pope''s. He has survived an assasination attempt, arthritis and Parkinson''s Disease. In 1992, he had a large tumour removed from his intestine. He had a hip replacement operation in April 1994 and on a trip to France in 1996 he collapsed and had his appendix removed. But he has continued to travel widely and is estimated to have effectively circled the globe 27 times.

He has seen many political changes across the world including the fall of Communism in eastern Europe and the end of apartheid in South Africa.He has visited Cuba ,became the first Pope to visit Egypt and the first to set foot in the Whitehouse..

All this at 84 years. What an amazing life he has led.

I am a lapsed Catholic and have disagreed with many contentious issues of the Catholic Church, but regardless of how I feel about that I can''t help admire this man, from who he was and what he has achieved. Even as his death draws near he is showing us how to approach death gracefully.



 
Thank you Mighty Red.
 
Date: 4/1/2005 4:26
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Author:mightyred

. Even as his death draws near he is showing us how to approach death gracefully.



Couldn''t have said it better. Death is a part of life.

I, too, don''t always agree with the Catholic Church; but, this Pope was always true. His passing is less about his death; but, more a celebration of his life.
 
I am non-denominational and usually disagree strongly with many facets of catholicism. However, the Pope was a great man, and regardless of religious differences, I am saddened to see such a great human life depart from our world. Thank you Mightyred for the bio on him, and I do hope the next Pope can carry out the position with the same grace and wisdom as Pope John Paul has done......
 
John Paul II was a good man and did a lot of good for people all over the world. Whether we agree with his views or not, his is a life to be respected and celebrated.

Thanks for the bio.
 
Mightyred,
Thanks for the bio, I don''t know very much about him, but feel he was a good person who will be missed by many.
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The Pope was the most mediatized and misunderstood man of our planet.

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May he rest in peace!
 
Date: 4/3/2005 4:28:24 AM
Author: Stephan
The Pope was the most mediatized and misunderstood man of our planet.

Well, this thread gives you a forum to express what you feel. Why do you feel that that is so? (I am not challenging you, merely trying to encourage you to share your thoughts on a man at a time when it seems appropriate to do so.)

Deborah
 
I have been following the wedding of the Prince of Wales and Mrs. Parker-Bowles, which had been scheduled for April 8. The wedding has been postponed. "Clarence House said the postponement of the ceremony was 'a mark of respect' for the pontiff." Prince Charles will be representing Queen Elizabeth at the Pope's funeral.

Deborah
 
Here is an interesting letter I got from my brother that studies this stuff. Take it for what its worth.


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Hi Corey,

I was wondering if you are following this present papal illness of John Paul II as closely


as I am.



Though I am not "catholic", I am familiar with their doctrine and especially well versed in St.


Malachi’s prophecy of the popes. This prophetic litany of papal succession has been


extremely accurate to date.



According to Catholic prophetic writings, there is to be a total of 112 popes who are


destined to occupy the seat of St. Peter. John Paul II is number 110. After this current


pope passes off the scene he will be replaced by another who will reign for a very short


time and meet an untimely death. This will pave the way for the last pope (112) who will


be called "Peter the Roman." Some catholic theologians refer to him as the "black pope"


because he will be of the Jesuit order and consequently wear black garb.



This last pope, Peter the Roman has been identified by protestant theologians since the


reformation period as possibly the False Prophet mentioned in Revelation 13.



Will this prophecy of the popes continue to be accurate? Only God knows!



Better fasten your seat belt, because it could get very interesting!





Brad



 
Does it say anything in that there prophecy about Bush being the antichrist?
 
As to what you posted, Corey, I do not believe in prophecies, but I find their origins (and the origins of religion) interesting.

Pope John Paul II, although, it seems, a good human being, held many beiefs which are anathema to me. That is because doctrinal Catholicism, as now interpreted, is anathema to me. I do believe the pope wanted world peace and succor for the poor, so we can find common ground there and I mourn the death of a good man.

On another note, I find the pageantry of the Catholic Church fascinating. (Did you notice the dress of the papal gentlemen who acted as pall bearers?) I find it fascinating as I find the English monarchy fascinating, but I do not believe in monarchy or that clergy are wiser, superior, or more powerful than any other people. I guess that is why I am American and Unitarian/Quaker.

Deborah
 
Date: 4/7/2005 10
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Does it say anything in that there prophecy about Bush being the antichrist?

Oh, tanuki. we were writing at the same time. I am afraid that my point of view is very close to yours!

Deborah
 
the now deceased pope did profess to want world peace and have the interests of the poor as a priority....however, his actions in south america would be at odds with that view. his lack of support for nuns and priests working with the poor and his support for cardinals ''in bed'' with dicators, the rich, and multinational corporations speaks for itself.

peace, movie zombie
 
It saddens me at the total lack of reverence.
 
Date: 4/8/2005 9:48:58 AM
Author: fire&ice
It saddens me at the total lack of reverence.

I was surprised, myself, not to see more written in this thread. I saw no disrespect to the pope, however, just to the the US president! I am not about to express reverence to the pope when I am not a Catholic and do not revere him. I mourn his loss, however. Being respected for one''s good qualities and his humanity and having others wish he had not died is not a bad fate. I would be happy if people felt that way about me after my death. As John Donne put it, "every man''s death diminishes me".

Deborah
 
Date: 4/8/2005 10:49:41 AM
Author: AGBF


Date: 4/8/2005 9:48:58 AM
Author: fire&ice
It saddens me at the total lack of reverence.

; I would be happy if people felt that way about me after my death. As John Donne put it, ''every man''s death diminishes me''.

Deborah
And, please note - that if this thread was about your life in your passing - I wouldn''t use it as an opportunity to take totally unrelated pot shots at John Kerry. Nor, would I interject indiscretions that do not overshadow a your life''s work.
 
Date: 4/8/2005 10:58:33 AM
Author: fire&ice
And, please note - that if this thread was about your life in your passing - I wouldn''t use it as an opportunity to take totally unrelated pot shots at John Kerry. Nor, would I interject indiscretions that do not overshadow a your life''s work.

No, I don''t think you would. It is not really my style to do so, either. If the pope elicited strong reactions from someone else through his policy, however, she should not have to remain silent about those policies as his virtues are being extolled. (It would be Movie Zombie who mentioned what you label as "indiscretions that do not overshadow [the pope''s] life''s work".)

As Leonid said in another thread, perhaps it would be best not to speak ill of the dead.

Deborah
 
I mentioned I myself have issues with the catholic church and believe me I could fill many a forum with those points and this could have been a very different thread....but when someone passes I can take a step back and look to the person.

Another example would be Ronald Reagan ....I had many issues with him but when he died I could appreciate some of his qualities even if I disagree vehemently with his politics . I can seperate the politics from the man and celebrate a life.

I think Leonid is very wise.
 
the pope''s actions in south america were direct hands on policy, which is more than ''mere indiscretion'', and as such are part of the pope''s ''life work''. no disrespect is meant nor should looking at his record and its effects be interpreted as being disrespectful. his legacy in all its parts and totality should be examined, not merely glossed over and glorified in the name of ''respect''.

peace, movie zombie
 
You are of course entitled to your opinion.

Maybe I just like to look for some good in all people when they have gone since what''s done is done.

peace zombie
 
mightyred, at no time did i say the pope didn''t do some good. i''m just saying that not everything he did was good.

peace, movie zombie
 
Date: 4/8/2005 5:39:14 PM
Author: mightyred
You are of course entitled to your opinion.

Maybe I just like to look for some good in all people when they have gone since what''s done is done.

peace zombie
I could not agree with you more.

And to add: it''s far more printable to say something negative or controversial (as to interpretation). I''m sure now that he is buried - the media will either not report anything or find things negative to say about the Pope.

May he rest in peace.
 
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