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Thoughts on this 2.07ct D-S1?

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dm999

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All - I am about to purchase a 2.07ct D-S1 HCA 0.9 for an engagement ring and would love your thoughts before I take the leap. I know very little about diamonds beyond what I've read here in the past few days. All of the diamond info (including ASET, and idealscope imagery) is below. I'm aware of the twinning wisps, but I'm told the stone is eye clean and I saw it in person and it looked great to my untrained eye. I'm also aware the hearts and arrows leave something to be desired, but I'm not sure how much of an issue that really is. Would be grateful for your thoughts, including what an appropriate price would be. Thank you!!

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This isn't the type of stone we typically recommend. Have you seen a more traditional "ideal" cut before? Most diamonds look amazing in jewelry store light, so just wondering if you've been able to compare.

Are you open to alternatives?
 
I did have a chance to look at some others. This one stood out for its brilliance (hopefully I'm using that term right--sparkliness?) and color, even though others had more prominent H&A and were otherwise what I imagine you mean by more traditional. Could you explain a bit why you wouldn't recommend this one? Also, is there a price at which you would say this one would make sense? My understanding is that because of the twinning wisps and lack of H&A, I may be getting this at a nice discount, which is also guiding my decisionmaking.
 
And yes I would be very curious to see alternatives you would recommend. Thank you!
 
Low crown/low pavilion angles, paddling around some arrows. Cut is not that good. Why dont you tell us what they are asking for it
and we can see if we can find better in your price range. Do you like the thinner, longer arrows (80% lower halves)? I wondering if you
like brightness/brilliance over fire or do you want a more rounded stone with both? Either way, this stone is not that well cut.
 
They are asking $22.5k. Yes, I like the thinner longer arrows--saw a couple with thicker ones and they seemed to detract from the brightness/brilliance, which I care more about. And yes, brightness/brilliance over fire if I have to choose between them, but a more balanced stone would be great too.
 
I wouldn't say you're getting a discount. I think you'll get what you pay for, and in general this stone isn't what most people would consider ideal. That said, you saw it and liked it, which is a huge deal because it means you aren't buying blind.

Fyi, this is an example of an ideal cut. Not suggesting this one, but just as a comparison point.

Diamond | 2.04 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4678036

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.04 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4678036
www.whiteflash.com

Here are some alternatives. Note that I'm dropping color to stay within budget:

 
I looked around too but couldn't find anything I liked in the D-F range in your budget.
 
What about this one? It's in the AGS 0 range. E color but higher clarity. Seems like a good price.

www.stonealgo.com

Price and quality scores for GIA Number 1498398735

View the fair price estimate, Cut Score® and price history for GIA Certified Diamond 1498398735. Everything you need to know to buy this diamond.
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tyty333 said:
I looked around too but couldn't find anything I liked in the D-F range in your budget.
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Yeah, definitely nothing D-F that I saw either
 
So this diamond is what I would call “nicely cut”. It shows decent arrows meaning the cut precision is strong. The imaging isn’t bad. You can find a better cut stone. This diamond has paddling around the arrows — this means as the diamond moves there will be more darkness around the arrow tips than you might see with a better cut stone. I can easily see this over darkness is the pictures you shared. The angles are not the most complimentary. Meaning brightness or fire might not be what it could be. It is what we call a “60-60” type stone and it will favour brightness over fire. So it’s probably better than 95% of diamonds out there in the wild, as most diamonds are very poorly cut!

To get a better cut you will need to go lower in color or size for the same money. Or spend more. Whether you want to do that is up to you. We all make compromises somewhere! I would personally go down to G color and see if I could find a diamond with more classic Tolkowski proportions. But you would not be making a mistake to go another direction.
 
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Dreamer_D said:
So this diamond is what I would call “nicely cut”. It shows decent arrows meaning the cut precision is strong. The imaging isn’t bad. You can find a better cut stone. This diamond has paddling around the arrows — this means as the diamond moves there will be more darkness around the arrow tips than you might see with a better cut stone. I can easily see this over darkness is the pictures you shared. The angles are not the most complimentary. Meaning brightness or fire might not be what it could be. It is what we call a “60-60” type stone and it will favour brightness over fire. So it’s probably better than 95% of diamonds out there in the wild, as most diamonds are very poorly cut!

To get a better cut you will need to go lower in color or size for the same money. Or spend more. Whether you want to do that is up to you. We all make compromises somewhere! I would personally go down to G color and see if I could find a diamond with more classic Tolkowski proportions. But you would not be making a mistake to go another direction.
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Thank you all so much for your generous and thoughtful responses. This community is really wonderful and I’m so glad I found you. I am appreciating now the compromises that I will have to make at this price range, and I am also getting the sense that if i have to compromise, the consensus is that i should do so on color instead of on cut. An ideally cut G trumps a “nicely cut” D, everything else being equal. But I’m not sure I want to compromise quite that much—there’s something about the iciness of the colorless range that really appeals to me. So if I could bother you with one more question: if I could go up in price, what is the minimum I would have to spend to “have it all”—ie the D-F range and ideally cut?
 
dm999 said:
Thank you all so much for your generous and thoughtful responses. This community is really wonderful and I’m so glad I found you. I am appreciating now the compromises that I will have to make at this price range, and I am also getting the sense that if i have to compromise, the consensus is that i should do so on color instead of on cut. An ideally cut G trumps a “nicely cut” D, everything else being equal. But I’m not sure I want to compromise quite that much—there’s something about the iciness of the colorless range that really appeals to me. So if I could bother you with one more question: if I could go up in price, what is the minimum I would have to spend to “have it all”—ie the D-F range and ideally cut?
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The stone that I posted is an E VS2 and is AGS 0 in super ideal range. If I were you, I would jump on it. It seems underpriced for the stats.
 
dm999 said:
Thank you all so much for your generous and thoughtful responses. This community is really wonderful and I’m so glad I found you. I am appreciating now the compromises that I will have to make at this price range, and I am also getting the sense that if i have to compromise, the consensus is that i should do so on color instead of on cut. An ideally cut G trumps a “nicely cut” D, everything else being equal. But I’m not sure I want to compromise quite that much—there’s something about the iciness of the colorless range that really appeals to me. So if I could bother you with one more question: if I could go up in price, what is the minimum I would have to spend to “have it all”—ie the D-F range and ideally cut?
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What minimum size would you be looking for?
 
Around 2.00 i think, maybe a little under if negligible difference in dimensions.
 
dm999 said:
Around 2.00 i think, maybe a little under if negligible difference in dimensions.
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Ok. And when you say "not compromise" on cut, do you mean a well balanced stone, or a truly ideal one?

this is a solid option and close to budget:

Super ideal option in a high color will cost a lot more and still not quite hit 2ct

Diamond | 1.89 ct E VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4605295

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.89 carat E color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4605295
www.whiteflash.com
 
lovedogs said:
Ok. And when you say "not compromise" on cut, do you mean a well balanced stone, or a truly ideal one?

this is a solid option and close to budget:

Super ideal option in a high color will cost a lot more and still not quite hit 2ct

Diamond | 1.89 ct E VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4605295

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.89 carat E color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4605295
www.whiteflash.com
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Wow, the super ideal really gets up there. I want to maximize brilliance/brightness--I think that's what matters most to my partner--and to have the cut characteristics that you think are most important/not worth compromising on (like the things giving you pause about the one I posted). Other cut characteristics (e.g. fire, perfect H&A etc.), I don't think I care as much about--unless you tell me I should :)
 
lovedogs said:
Ok. And when you say "not compromise" on cut, do you mean a well balanced stone, or a truly ideal one?

this is a solid option and close to budget:

Super ideal option in a high color will cost a lot more and still not quite hit 2ct

Diamond | 1.89 ct E VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4605295

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.89 carat E color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4605295
www.whiteflash.com
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James Allen seems to be offering a free setting with that diamond too which takes a little of the hit off it.

Have you seen many diamonds in person? What kinds of diamonds do your family and friends and the it ended wearers family and friends wear? I feel like this context matters before you make the decision to spend even more money on factors that may or may not matter in the longer term.
 
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