Thoughts on this round diamond?

[Bluecedar]

All,

I am looking at this round brilliant - GIA # 1417339476

Primary concern is slightly low crown angle %, slightly high table %

Any thoughts are MUCH appreciated as I'm making this decision pretty soon and without much time to mull over or compare

Price is ~$30k

2.2 carat
G
VS2
Triple Excellent
60.3% depth
58% table
33% crown angle
41.2% pavilion angle
medium faceted girdle 3.0%
faint fluorescencse

 

[mayaINaU]

Hi, have you checked out the recommended proportions? https://www.pricescope.com/education/diamond-cut/diamond-proportions
Yours falls somewhat outside of these. With your budget, I would personally go with a Whitefish ACA— it’s just an easy button for getting the perfect diamond.
Here is an example that is just over 2ct, G, VS2, wire pride $30,299, but has super-ideal proportions.

Diamond | 2.010 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4558485

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.010 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4558485

www.whiteflash.com

 

[Bluecedar]

Thanks. Unfortunately this is my one option for now, so its either propose on my trip or wait for the next one!

Basically, I just want to make sure I'm not too far off base for the price point - i.e., would only 2-3 out of 100 folks notice the difference between my option vs. your Whitefish ACA suggestion? I'm okay being off by $1-2k in fair value, but will pass if this is way off base or if there is a red flag that would cause most to pass (i.e., 33% crown angle is just too low and is a non starter, etc.)

 

[lovedogs]

Do you have pics or videos? I wouldn't recommend this one without more information

 

[Bluecedar]

Do you have pics or videos? I wouldn't recommend this one without more information

Unfortunately I do not.

However, this is the other choice I have that can be ready before I take off.

I am hesitant on this one because of the SI2

However, it seems to be within the ideal proportions that were flagged above (skewing more toward "fire")

This is also $20k vs. $30k, so might be worth the trade off on clarity (including because the cut may be more ideal)

GIA # 6445746966

Welcome any thoughts

 

[vintageinjune]

The price point doesn't seem to be outside current market value, but for that much money, it sure would be nice to know you got the best diamond you could.

For example, 2.14 ct, G, VS2, AGS 000 (way better than GIA XXX), with H&A images, for $28,690. https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...olor-vs2-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-16491931

 

[lovedogs]

I would focus less on proposing immediately and more on choosing the best stone for your money. 30k is a lot

 

[jewels4life]

I would focus less on proposing immediately and more on choosing the best stone for your money. 30k is a lot

Couldn’t agree more .

 

[mayaINaU]

Agree with those above. With the two stones side-by-side, yes, I think the difference would be apparent between your choices and an ACA. This video illustrates:

This is so much money to spend that I would never want to rush or second-guess my choice. I know proposing without “THE” ring is something many people are not comfortable with, but you could possibly propose with a simple band or placeholder and you could pick out the ring together? If you really want the ring this time, I would think Whiteflash could make it happen very quickly if you put it in a stock setting (you can always get a different setting later).

 

[DejaWiz]

Agree with those above. With the two stones side-by-side, yes, I think the difference would be apparent between your choices and an ACA. This video illustrates:

This is so much money to spend that I would never want to rush or second-guess my choice. I know proposing without “THE” ring is something many people are not comfortable with, but you could possibly propose with a simple band or placeholder and you could pick out the ring together? If you really want the ring this time, I would think Whiteflash could make it happen very quickly if you put it in a stock setting (you can always get a different setting later).

This is an excellent suggestion. A simple band and/or a loose diamond in its presentation box can be a viable alternative for a proposal, with an eye to the near future afterwards to involve the recipient in the setting choice/design that the loose diamond will then be mounted in.

Here are a couple more to seriously consider...and these are all in-house and ready to ship.

Diamond | 2.058 ct H VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4519826

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.058 carat H color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4519826

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 2.035 ct H VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4553599

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.035 carat H color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4553599

www.whiteflash.com

You won't find a better performing RBC than a bonafide SIC...or a better lifetime upgrade program for future milestones/occasions.

 

[mayaINaU]

And just another thought: at this price point you probably plan to insure the diamond. Some insurers will not insure loose diamond, only one that is set an a ring.

 

[Bluecedar]

UPDATE:

I ended up getting something I could use to propose with very generous return provisions.

So now I'm back to square one - and taking advice from folks on this thread about Whiteflash ACA.

Any thoughts on this comparison (or others at or near this price point) ($32-38k)?

Diamond | 2.040 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4558486

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.040 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4558486

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 2.164 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4553601

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.164 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4553601

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 2.078 ct G VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4484830

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.078 carat G color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4484830

www.whiteflash.com

Many thanks!

 

[Kim N]

UPDATE:

I ended up getting something I could use to propose with very generous return provisions.

So now I'm back to square one - and taking advice from folks on this thread about Whiteflash ACA.

Any thoughts on this comparison (or others at or near this price point) ($32-38k)?

Diamond | 2.040 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4558486

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.040 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4558486

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 2.164 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4553601

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.164 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4553601

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 2.078 ct G VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4484830

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.078 carat G color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4484830

www.whiteflash.com

Many thanks!

I would go for the biggest one--the 2.164.

 

[Bluecedar]

I would go for the biggest one--the 2.164.

Thanks! And in the spirit of bigger and a bit more $$ ... any thoughts on these two?

Diamond | 2.28 ct H VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4457024

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.28 carat H color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4457024

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 2.172 ct D VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4557169

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.172 carat D color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4557169

www.whiteflash.com

This would be upper end of budget - not sure if worth the extra 10% vs. the other selections.

 

[Kim N]

Thanks! And in the spirit of bigger and a bit more $$ ... any thoughts on these two?

Diamond | 2.28 ct H VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4457024

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.28 carat H color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4457024

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 2.172 ct D VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4557169

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.172 carat D color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4557169

www.whiteflash.com

This would be upper end of budget - not sure if worth the extra 10% vs. the other selections.

I don't think it's worth it IMO. The 2.287 is only 0.13mm bigger than the 2.164, a difference which would not be visible to the naked eye.

 

[TXwidow]

depends on how 'sensitive' the eyes of the recipient are a relating to the color of the diamond

 

[DejaWiz]

That D VS2 would be my wife's go-to in this budget range since she is extremely sensitive to color.
If you know that F-H, even I, maybe even J would be fine, then definitely maximize spread for the money.

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[rab813]

I would be careful about proposing with a diamond you intend to return. A proposal is inherently a very sentimental act and the recipient may not care as much about having a super ideal stone as they care about having the one you proposed with. People are all different though so it may not be a big deal.

Once I gave my wife her ER she would not trade it for anything...I did go with a princess cut WF ACA though. Maybe if the original stone wasn't great it would have changed the equation. Anyway, definitely something to consider.

 

[Bluecedar]

UPDATE #2 (Final Update)

Visited White Flash and narrowed down selections to a White Flash ACA 2.172, D, VS2 (some twinning wisps) for $38.8k (not sure if link still works since I reserved)
Diamond | 2.172 ct D VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4557169

On my last sanity check, I saw this on Blue Nile which seemed to be a too-good-to-be-true deal. What am I missing besides the slightly smaller size? Same color, BETTER clarity, and the cut specs all seem to be in the super ideal range.

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD20278082

Any thoughts on why this is $10k less??

Thanks,

Bluecedar

 

[Kim N]

UPDATE #2 (Final Update)

Visited White Flash and narrowed down selections to a White Flash ACA 2.172, D, VS2 (some twinning wisps) for $38.8k (not sure if link still works since I reserved)
Diamond | 2.172 ct D VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4557169

On my last sanity check, I saw this on Blue Nile which seemed to be a too-good-to-be-true deal. What am I missing besides the slightly smaller size? Same color, BETTER clarity, and the cut specs all seem to be in the super ideal range.

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD20278082

Any thoughts on why this is $10k less??

Thanks,

Bluecedar

So great that you got to visit Whiteflash in person!

The Blue Nile diamond has strong blue fluorescence, which the trade views as a negative in a colorless stone. The cut precision also does not match that of an ACA. I highly recommend sticking with your Whiteflash stone.

 

[lovedogs]

So great that you got to visit Whiteflash in person!

The Blue Nile diamond has strong blue fluorescence, which the trade views as a negative in a colorless stone. The cut precision also does not match that of an ACA. I highly recommend sticking with your Whiteflash stone.

Agreed. I am not wow'd by the blue Nile one in the 360 video

 

[DejaWiz]

The BN diamond would miss making the ACA criteria on the SBF and what I think I see as tiny pavilion cut wonk...you'll save $10k, but you lose a heck of a lot of trade in value and desirability, plus you're be bound to Signet/BN's way more restrictive upgrade policy.

 

[Diamond Girl 21]

I love D color diamonds! VS2 diamonds are usually eye clean, but sometimes I can spot the characteristics in certain lighting conditions. I would just make sure it's eye clean to you.

 

[Bluecedar]

Thanks to all for the responses. Decided to go with the D color from White Flash. And yes I was fortunate to live nearby their physical location so we could view several in person and meet their great team.

Thanks again all!

BlueCedar

 

[DejaWiz]

Thanks to all for the responses. Decided to go with the D color from White Flash. And yes I was fortunate to live nearby their physical location so we could view several in person and meet their great team.

Thanks again all!

BlueCedar

You made the right choice - and one heck of a great diamond that you're getting!