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WeightLifterChick

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Hi everyone, I’m new to the forum. I’m not even sure I should consider myself a LIW. Regardless, it’s nice to know I’m not alone in my feelings.
Here’s my situation. My boyfriend and I have been dating for over 5.5 years (we’ll celebrate 6 years together in February). We’re both 25 years old, and we met at work while going to community college. We moved to Orlando together to finish school, both graduated from the University of Central Florida 2.5 years ago, and moved back to South Florida last year to be closer to our families and friends. We have good jobs, bring in a decent income, and are currently renting a house.

I’ve never been one to rush getting married, and I’ve never put any pressure on the BF, issued an ultimatum, or whatnot. However, for some reason it’s hitting me hard all of a sudden, the fact that we’ll be together 6 years in a few months and nowhere near getting engaged, or anything of the sort.
The topic of marriage has come up before. In the past when it has come up, I get mixed messages. Sometimes he will answer, “Not until we’re 30,” or, “I never want to get married, it’s just a piece of paper” or, “Why bother, we’ll just get divorced anyway.” In the past, he has said that we’ll get married “eventually”. He insists that if we’re committed to each other now (which we are – we have a wonderful relationship and are on the same page concerning 99 percent of issues that affect couples), what difference would marriage make?

Other times, when we talk about getting married, we talk about what kind of ceremony we want (just the two of us in Costa Rica, the U.S. Virgin Islands or a similar tropical destination). We have had the discussion about what type of ring I’d like, and the fact that I would like the proposal to be a complete surprise. We talk about our future together - how we both do not want children (dogs and cats are enough, thanks!), want to move out of Florida or back to Central Florida, buy a home, continue our careers, travel a ton and enjoy life as we are now, but the only thing that would be different is that we’d be married, which would be the icing on the cake for our plans
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We have not talked about marriage for months. The last time we had a conversation about it was over our 5-year anniversary in February. Things went back to, “Yeah, eventually,” and then nothing ever happens or nothing is discussed anymore.
I’m just so confused about these mixed messages. I hate to describe myself as antsy right now, but I am. We’re planning a trip to Washington, DC, from December 6-10. He knows it’s my absolute favorite city. A couple of weeks ago, the following conversation took place.

BF: So when do you want me to propose to you?
GF: Um (? This is the first time it’s come up in months). I don’t know, honey. You’re supposed to plan these things. How about DC? That woud
BF: But then it wouldn’t be a surprise.
GF: Um, how about our anniversary?
BF: But then we’re going anywhere.
GF: Then I don’t know! That’s why you’re supposed to plan it.

A few minutes later…

GF: I bet you don’t even know what kind of ring you’d get me.
BF: You want a round shape, 1.25 or 1.5 carats, white gold, 6 prong Tiffany setting.
GF: (Doesn’t know what to say, since he actually remembered). Oh – well, I take that back. You do.
BF: So do you still want to get married in Costa Rica?
GF: I heard it can be pretty dicey there for tourists if you don’t know the area. What about the Virgin Islands?
BF: Ok. (conversation dies off)

And that was about it. Then, a couple of days later, I thought I lost the two rings that I wear every day.

GF: Crap, I am such a klutz! I lose everything.
BF: What are you going to do when we’re married? Are you going to lose your rings?
GF: No! You don’t take off your wedding rings to do dishes and stuff. Only to sleep, because my fingers swell (seriously, and it sucks).

He has also talked about going up the Washington Monument and wanted to do it at night, but it’s only open until 5 p.m. He also asked if there was a park or bench near the Washington Monument, and has brought up going on walks at night and of course, seeing the two Christmas trees (White House and Capitol building), etc, etc.

I definitely think I’m jumping the gun here, but all of a sudden I’m starting to feel anxious. Even though I will enjoy our trip to DC together, I would love nothing more than if he proposed to me on the trip. But then after so many conversations with mixed signals, I don’t want to get my hopes up for nothing. Deep down, I know not to expect anything on the trip, over the holidays and on our anniversary.

So that is my situation. I have no idea what his real feelings are toward marrying me. I get conflicting answers, so I stopped asking a loooong time ago. But I don’t know why I feel the way I do. We have a great relationship, we get along wonderfully and we love each other very much. Why do I have to go and complicate things for myself?

Any insight? Advice? Anyone been in or currently in a similar situation?

Thanks
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Date: 10/23/2007 4:47:50 PM
Author:WeightLifterChick

I definitely think I'm jumping the gun here, but all of a sudden I'm starting to feel anxious. Even though I will enjoy our trip to DC together, I would love nothing more than if he proposed to me on the trip.
I think that that is what defines a LIW. Somewhere during the course of any relationship, a switch goes off... and things change from "wouldn't it be nice if he/she were the one?" to "He/she's the one, I'm ready!" We're all happy to ride the relationship for a certain amount of time, not really concerned about "where things are going," until that switch flips. Once you've decided you're ready (consciously or, more often, subconsciously), it's a whole new ball game.

Oh, and at 25 with 5.5 years in the relationship, you're well past the "jumping the gun" stage
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If marriage is something you want (and it sounds like it is), then you're not putting unnecessary complication on the relationship. You've had ample time together, and I seriously doubt anyone could argue that you'd be putting "too much pressure" on him if you tried to feel out his position on the subject. He's your boyfriend, you should be able to talk to him about what you're feeling!


P.S. If he really did say "When we're married, _______" then I don't think you have much to worry about
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At that point, it's no longer a question of "if" but "when." Men are generally pretty careful about avoiding such implications unless they truly intend it.
 
Date: 10/23/2007 5:12:18 PM
Author: musey

I think that that is what defines a LIW. Somewhere during the course of any relationship, a switch goes off... and things change from ''wouldn''t it be nice if he/she were the one?'' to ''He/she''s the one, I''m ready!'' We''re all happy to ride the relationship for a certain amount of time, not really concerned about ''where things are going,'' until that switch flips. Once you''ve decided you''re ready (consciously or, more often, subconsciously), it''s a whole new ball game.

Oh, and at 25 with 5.5 years in the relationship, you''re well past the ''jumping the gun'' stage
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If marriage is something you want (and it sounds like it is), then you''re not putting unnecessary complication on the relationship. You''ve had ample time together, and I seriously doubt anyone could argue that you''d be putting ''too much pressure'' on him if you tried to feel out his position on the subject. He''s your boyfriend, you should be able to talk to him about what you''re feeling!


P.S. If he really did say ''When we''re married, _______'' then I don''t think you have much to worry about
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At that point, it''s no longer a question of ''if'' but ''when.'' Men are generally pretty careful about avoiding such implications unless they truly intend it.
Yes, that switch has definitely gone off. i''ve known for a while now that he is the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. But the idea of marriage hadn''t entered my mind again, hadn''t really clicked for me, until I had surgery a couple of months ago (had my boobs done, woohoo!) and the BF took the entire week from work to take care of me. Recovery was rough. I needed help with everything - eating, drinking, remembering when to take my painkillers, getting in and out of bed, even getting to the toilet and sitting on it
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He was right there with me, every step of the way. And though I''ve always known that I could trust him and that I feel safe with him, this really solidified for me that he will always be there to take care of me, and vice versa (insert "awww''s" now
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I guess by jumping the gun, I mean that he may pop the question on the trip. But yes, I also agree with you that it''s not "jumping the gun" after 5.5 years together! Sometimes I get scared thinking about bringing the subject up, because I think he will immediately shut down and no progress will be made.

Yes, he did say, "When we''re married"
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You''re right, I guess that is a positive sign! But "when" can mean 5 more years from now
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I know that (almost) six years is a long time to be in a relationship, but you''re still only 25 and since you know you won''t be having any kids that does relieve some pressure. It sounds like he has warmed up to the idea of marriage (as opposed to saying it''s just a piece of paper), so if I were you I would just wait it out until after your trip. If he has something planned, then great. If not, then after the trip might be a good time to sit him down and talk about whether marriage is really something he wants or not. The trip is in less than two months, anyway! Regardless, I hope you love the trip! I went to college in DC and loved wintertime, especially near Christmas.

I have a really good friend who was in the same exact boat as you--she''d been dating her boyfriend for several years, was 25, wasn''t in any rush to get married and they knew they didn''t want kids. She suddenly decided she was ready for marriage as well--they got engaged on a trip a few months later. I used to think that those who didn''t want kids were less inclined to want marriage, but I don''t necessarily think that anymore.
 
Hi WeightLifterChick,
I can totally relate with your story and also with getting that anxious feeling all of a sudden. That happened to me around January 1st of this year. I just woke up thinking "OMG, I''m turning 29 this year and nothing is happening!" He had asked me to start looking at rings around September of last year and but then he said he would need some time to save up. So I stopped looking and was happy that he was at least thinking about the ring...we had been together like 9 years at that point. Anyhow, it took a year but the ring has been purchased. I told the sales person to call him when the ring is ready so he can pick it up and surprise me
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In your post, when I was reading the part about his comments regarding marriage, I immediately thought that he is not ready yet. But I was glad to read further and see that he has made the "when we''re married" comments. In my experience, my BF never really made comments like that until he truly was ready. And it sounds like your bf is getting really close. Regarding your trip, I would advise you to try to relax and not over-analyze his every word and move. Just go, have fun, don''t get your hopes up. Let it be a surprise and let him do it without pressure. Give yourself a mental deadline and if you have not seen progress by that time and still feel anxious, have the "timeline" talk with him. Good luck to you, it sounds like you have a great guy and I hope it happens for you sooner than later!

PS - love your quote!
 
I was in the same boat as you last year-I was dating D nearly 7 years by then (I''m 25 now) and I sat down and discussed it with him and he gave me a deadline of the end of this year. We picked our ring in July of this year and are engaged now but it''s definitely worth feeling him out on when he is thinking. Not an exact date but the way we did it it could have been anytime within the next year and a half. When I asked him at the time when he was thinking, he said soon, so I was very excited as soon to me meant within the next month or two. When I questioned him on soon, he was thinking within the next two to three years
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Don''t mention the trip or anything, in case tat he is planning to do it on the trip, but just see what he''s thinking.
 
Thank you ladies, for your input!
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NewEnglandLady - Thanks for your advice. I have talked to my mom about this a bit and she said the same thing, that if nothing happens on the trip, to sit down together and talk about our future, how he really feels about getting married, and where things are headed. A "State of the Union" address
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I am super excited about our trip, though! DC is my favorite city. I''ve been a few times, but the BF has only been once for Safety Patrol Duty in sixth grade
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I kinda went nuts with winter accessories - bought a nice cropped peacoat, leather gloves, cashmere scarf and a super cute beanie. I hope it''s enough to keep me warm. I''m a Florida native, anything below 70 degrees is cold for me! Where did you go to school at, BTW?

teetee - Congratulations! I''m sure your BF will ask the big question any day now
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It''s so hard not to over analyze everything
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But I''ve been keeping myself super busy with work, family and friends. Patience is a virtue I haven''t totally learned yet, but maybe I should
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Thanks for the advice and the positive reinforcement!

bee* - LOL it''s funny how "soon" to a woman means maybe in the next couple of months, but "soon" to a man is years (there needs to be a laughing smiley on these boards). Congrats on your recent engagement!
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