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Torn, should I let my recut go under 1 carat?

What would you do?

  • .95 carat super ideal, increased clarity A+++ cut

    Votes: 39 78.0%

  • 1.05 over 1 carat but not super ideal A- cut

    Votes: 11 22.0%
  • Total voters
    50
oceanblue

oceanblue

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Hi, this is my original post regarding a recut.


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/recut-advice-needed.267984/

It is mid cut and I have decision to make. Do I go under 1 carat for a super ideal cut or keep above 1 carat. Either way the cut will be much improved.....using my own cut grading system.....from an E (fail) to a A (excellent).

The diameter will remain the same but weight loss is concerning.

Thank you for voting!
 
The 1 carat mark is the magic point for increased retained value, so if that's high on the list of priorities, then stay above 1 carat.

If it isn't a concern, then definitely go with the best cut for viewing enjoyment.
 
If you're not planning to sell it I would want the super ideal cut. If the diameter is the same no one will notice it is less carat weight. In fact the brighter and more sparkly it is the bigger it will look. If you're wanting to sell it, then maybe it makes sense to keep it above.
 
oceanblue said:
Hi, this is my original post regarding a recut.


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/recut-advice-needed.267984/

It is mid cut and I have decision to make. Do I go under 1 carat for a super ideal cut or keep above 1 carat. Either way the cut will be much improved.....using my own cut grading system.....from an E (fail) to a A (excellent).

The diameter will remain the same but weight loss is concerning.

Thank you for voting!
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I love a nice, clean diamond, so anything that increases clarity will get my vote. And if the diameter isn't going to drop - PLUS it goes up to a super idea cut - there's no question in my mind.

I had a diamond that was 1.13ct and very badly cut. I had it recut and it went down to .97 - but same diameter. Clarity went from SI1 up to a VS2. Best thing I ever did with that diamond and totally worth the loss in ctw. The final diamond looked bigger, whiter, prettier and cleaner. Best decision I could have made. I suspect the same will be true for you.

Good luck!
 
I am just not sure what to do, my frivolous side says get the super ideal, who cares......my frugal side says keep it above 1 carat because it is Worth more (plus it would give my frivolous side an excuse to buy a bigger super ideal...)
 
mrs-b said:
I love a nice, clean diamond, so anything that increases clarity will get my vote. And if the diameter isn't going to drop - PLUS it goes up to a super idea cut - there's no question in my mind.

I had a diamond that was 1.13ct and very badly cut. I had it recut and it went down to .97 - but same diameter. Clarity went from SI1 up to a VS2. Best thing I ever did with that diamond and totally worth the loss in ctw. The final diamond looked bigger, whiter, prettier and cleaner. Best decision I could have made. I suspect the same will be true for you.

Good luck!
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Thank you for sharing, that helps a lot!
 
Ibrakeforpossums said:
A .95 ct. F super ideal cut by Brian Gavin. With the same diameter. OMG.
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Yep...BG being the cutter seals the deal on my vote!
@oceanblue this is the better of the two options, at least in my opinion. I voted accordingly.

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Recut 100%, especially if BG is cutting it and it’s going to be a super ideal. It will be so beautiful.
 
I know what I would do, and so does almost everyone here who knows me.

I would never deign to tell you what you should do though. You have to make that decision based on your wants, needs and desires...

Wink
 
oceanblue said:
Hi, this is my original post regarding a recut.


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/recut-advice-needed.267984/

It is mid cut and I have decision to make. Do I go under 1 carat for a super ideal cut or keep above 1 carat. Either way the cut will be much improved.....using my own cut grading system.....from an E (fail) to a A (excellent).

The diameter will remain the same but weight loss is concerning.

Thank you for voting!
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Can you send the current proportions please. I would stay over 1ct if practical as unlike the Supa Dupa fan club, I think there is a limit to human vision that is exceeded in Supa Dupa-Ville.
 
The original stone had a slightly large table, acceptable crown angle - quite nice but pavilion depth 1.5 degrees too deep.
The other big issue is sloppy symmetry.
I could have lived with a slightly large table.
and just fixing the pavilion and the symmetry down there takes of very very little weight.
No way of knowing the grirdle profile and wobbly ness - but suspect it was a big issue.
If you can get them to give you a .srn or .stl or .dmc which they have access to Karl and me can guide them.
 
Personally I have always valued the performance I see with my eyes and the amount of delight it brings over perceived or market value due to size. If recutting a diamond can take it from okay to crazy pretty, that is always my preference. No matter how large a diamond is, that is not where the appeal lies for me.

So, it's kind of like the 'A or B' game.... did my words spark disappointment/hesitation or did they spark 'YES!'

=)2
 
mrs-b said:
I love a nice, clean diamond, so anything that increases clarity will get my vote. And if the diameter isn't going to drop - PLUS it goes up to a super idea cut - there's no question in my mind.

I had a diamond that was 1.13ct and very badly cut. I had it recut and it went down to .97 - but same diameter. Clarity went from SI1 up to a VS2. Best thing I ever did with that diamond and totally worth the loss in ctw. The final diamond looked bigger, whiter, prettier and cleaner. Best decision I could have made. I suspect the same will be true for you.

Good luck!
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Did you have the option to get your recut BG branded? That may be an option for my recut if I go below 1 carat.........another dilemma.
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
Can you send the current proportions please. I would stay over 1ct if practical as unlike the Supa Dupa fan club, I think there is a limit to human vision that is exceeded in Supa Dupa-Ville.
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I agree, hence the dilemma, my eyes are not magnifiers.
 
Are you planning on selling or trading the diamond? That is the only instance I would worry about staying above 1 carat. Cut trumps everything in my book but you may not feel the same way.
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
The original stone had a slightly large table, acceptable crown angle - quite nice but pavilion depth 1.5 degrees too deep.
The other big issue is sloppy symmetry.
I could have lived with a slightly large table.
and just fixing the pavilion and the symmetry down there takes of very very little weight.
No way of knowing the grirdle profile and wobbly ness - but suspect it was a big issue.
If you can get them to give you a .srn or .stl or .dmc which they have access to Karl and me can guide them.
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Thank you! Yes the diamond was deep and the girdle is an issue..... There is some sort of near surface issue too (crystal, maybe?) that is in the way and needs to be taken off.

I will ask if he would like guidance from Gary the cut nut!
 
oceanblue said:
Thank you! Yes the diamond was deep and the girdle is an issue..... There is some sort of near surface issue too (crystal, maybe?) that is in the way and needs to be taken off.

I will ask if he would like guidance from Gary the cut nut!
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If you're planning to ask one highly experienced diamond cutter if they would like guidance from a different diamond cutter, you might want to think that through. I think BGD may well find that offensive.

Some people may be 'able to live' with a larger table. I'm not one of those people. I dislike a large table. I think it makes a diamond look flat and pancake like - and I am NOT a cut expert, meaning that you don't need to be an expert to not like a large table. And while I love a beautifully cut stone, most of my diamonds come from Blue Nile, rather than branded sites. So I wouldn't refer to myself as a member of the Supa Dupa fan club - a term I find somewhat dismissive, to be frank.

I think it depends whether you're keeping or reselling the diamond. If you're keeping it, and the spread remains the same, and the clarity is better and the cut is better - what earthly use does it being over an arbitrary number like 1ct give? If, on the other hand, you intend to re-sell - sure - keep it over a ct if possible.

The diamond I had re-cut had a very large table and zero girdle - so I was lucky it hadn't chipped before I had it re-cut. But it was SO OBVIOUISLY more beautiful after I'd had it done, that it was clearly the right decision. You don't need to be an expert or a member of a specific club to appreciate a beautifully cut diamond. You can always ask for a diamond to be 'cleaned up' - but on the whole, that's not what BGD is selling.

ETA. Also, @oceanblue - if it's branded as a BGD diamond, does that mean you could use it as a trade-up?
 
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The (potential) beauty of a diamond is all about the cut quality. With same diameter but differing weight by virtue of cut variables, the only negative to going with best performing cut is a factor that no viewer can possibly notice. The decision to keep the weight in lieu of enhanced performance is a spread sheet consideration that influences a buyer of paper - not an admirer of the dazzle. There is a tangible hypnotic effect in an extremely well cut diamond that can only be imagined in a lesser cut stone.
 
The vast majority of PSers are going to say go for the super ideal cut, since ideal cut is king on here.

I have a different opinion, which is to cut to preserve it at the 1 carat mark. Since:

1) Most people cannot tell the visual difference between super ideal cuts vs a GIA triple X.

2) If you ever decide to sell this down the road to upgrade or free up funds etc, preserving it at the 1 carat mark is going to be more profitable.

Speaking from experience, I have sold stones within a YEAR even though at the time when I bought it, I thought it was my forever stone...things and tastes change.
 
Since the diameter is going to be the same, it pretty much comes down to cut/sparkle vs. carat/value. Which is more important to you? Honestly, the difference in resale price isn't going to be that drastic, maybe a few hundred to thousand dollars at best. If getting it BG branded makes it eligible for upgrades, that's another consideration.

I personally would be willing to pay more for a 0.95ct super ideal than a 1.05ct not quite super ideal... The super ideal might also look bigger!
 
MRBXXXFVVS1 said:
Since the diameter is going to be the same, it pretty much comes down to cut/sparkle vs. carat/value. Which is more important to you? Honestly, the difference in resale price isn't going to be that drastic, maybe a few hundred to thousand dollars at best. If getting it BG branded makes it eligible for upgrades, that's another consideration.

I personally would be willing to pay more for a 0.95ct super ideal than a 1.05ct not quite super ideal... The super ideal might also look bigger!
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It is actually thousands which is why I am hesitent.
 
The other thing to consider is if the .95 stone is eligible for an upgrade with BG is that you will continue to pay that 20% to 30% premium over "regular" ideal cut diamonds at every upgrade.

I speak from my own experience where as I kept upgrading, that premium became exponentially more expensive. This might not be the case for you, but just putting it out there so you have a balanced picture and decide what works best for you.
 
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