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Two AGS 000 Stones. I need to pick one! Please Help!!!

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WiggleWillie

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I am in dire need of some assistance. I have picked out the setting but I can't seem to find the right stone. :read:

My budget for the diamond is $9700. I am looking for a F stone, 1.1-1.25 Carat, Si1, (EYECLEAN) -GIA or AGS. I have found two AGS stones at WhiteFlash that I think could do the job (Below). I am looking for some opinions on what people think. I know the more expensive one has a better HCA. Am I missing anything else? Is there something else you found that would be even better?

Any reason for the price discrepancy for pretty much the same stone? The difference is almost $800! I have read nothing but great things about WhiteFlash, anything I should caution or am I good to go..

Stone 1) AGS, F, Si1, 1.14 $8880
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2972942.htm

Stone 2) AGS, F, Si1, 1.14 $9687
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3157621.htm

I am so ready to make the purchase, I just want to make sure I am purchasing the right stone. (Is that even possible) :|

Any GIA stones I am missing somewhere?

Can anyone help me? :?:
 
while it looks like leakage on the IS, it doesnt look like there is leakage on the ASET.

Can someone explain it to me?

Is this an exmaple where the ASET is computer generated? I had thought the WF ASETs were visual.
 
proto|1404216081|3704358 said:
while it looks like leakage on the IS, it doesnt look like there is leakage on the ASET.

Can someone explain it to me?

Is this an exmaple where the ASET is computer generated? I had thought the WF ASETs were visual.
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Hi Proto, nice to see you! :wavey:

If you look closely at the images ( WF's images are visual), you can see the leakage - which is slight as you know- it is showing in ASET but it appears to be darker, it's just a difference in the imaging and lighting I think.
 
WiggleWillie|1404188941|3704231 said:
I am in dire need of some assistance. I have picked out the setting but I can't seem to find the right stone. :read:

My budget for the diamond is $9700. I am looking for a F stone, 1.1-1.25 Carat, Si1, (EYECLEAN) -GIA or AGS. I have found two AGS stones at WhiteFlash that I think could do the job (Below). I am looking for some opinions on what people think. I know the more expensive one has a better HCA. Am I missing anything else? Is there something else you found that would be even better?

Any reason for the price discrepancy for pretty much the same stone? The difference is almost $800! I have read nothing but great things about WhiteFlash, anything I should caution or am I good to go..

Stone 1) AGS, F, Si1, 1.14 $8880
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2972942.htm

Stone 2) AGS, F, Si1, 1.14 $9687
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3157621.htm

I am so ready to make the purchase, I just want to make sure I am purchasing the right stone. (Is that even possible) :|

Any GIA stones I am missing somewhere?

Can anyone help me? :?:
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Hi WW and welcome!

Both are great diamonds, with the stone showing slight leakage in the image, it might not be visible in reality, ask WF and they can advise. The other has superior images, that could account for the price, plus other aspects that can influence pricing such as the eye cleanliness of a stone, face up spread and a host of other reasons we are not privy to. First thing to do would be to check if these diamonds are eye clean to your specifications by asking WF, they will be pleased to advise you, then that will help you decide, but if you want the finer cut, the 2nd is the one to concentrate on, whether that's worth $800 to you, that's a point to ponder.

Also, once you have images, HCA score is redundant as images take precedence.

Unless you are set on a colourless diamond, you could perhaps consider a G to get a little extra size, but that's a personal preference, if you want a colourless stone, by all means stick to that.
 
Hi Lorelei

been busy with work after spending so long on PS forums gazing at diamonds all day haha .

I thought leakage on ASET is white, though.

*scratches head
 
Thanks for the help so far, this has been great.

In your opinion, is it worth the $800 price difference for the two stones?

Both of them look great but I just want to make sure.

Thanks!
 
Also, I would be willing to go to a G on whiteflash. They have the setting i want and I would really like them to do it all if possible for ease.

Thanks! And recommendations would be great!
 
WiggleWillie|1404224484|3704451 said:
Also, I would be willing to go to a G on whiteflash. They have the setting i want and I would really like them to do it all if possible for ease.

Thanks! And recommendations would be great!
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Ok, no problem!

Regarding the price difference, I think for me it would come down to this if I were considering these 2. I would probably choose the second if it was verified eye clean rather than the first with the slight leakage as knowing that the stone had superior images and optics would be worth the difference to me, it's also a ' mind clean' issue, even if the other diamond didn't show much, if any leakage in reality, I would know it's there! :wacko: I am not trying to tell you which to choose or whether the extra $800 would be worth it to you as only you can answer that.

I will have a look at WF to see what else I can find for you. Also, we can't make recommendations as that's beyond the scope of what we can do here, but we can make suggestions which we will be pleased to do! :wavey:

ETA - I had a look and the only stones showing for your specs on WF are the two you are already considering, if you would consider H colour there are around 7 in house stones that might suit, an H colour will still be a very white diamond and could be an excellent choice but it's up to your comfort level and preference.
 
So I reached out to WhiteFlash and it is confirmed the 2nd one is NOT eyeclean. That changes some things.

I am leaning towards the first one.. Am I crazy for doing so?

Thoughts?
 
WiggleWillie|1404225947|3704464 said:
So I reached out to WhiteFlash and it is confirmed the 2nd one is NOT eyeclean. That changes some things.

I am leaning towards the first one.. Am I crazy for doing so?

Thoughts?
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Absolutely not! It's important to remember we are spoiled here with images of the best cut stones money can buy, the 1st diamond is still cut to extremely high standards and as I mentioned previously, it is quite possible the leakage won't be visible in reality or have any visible to the naked eye detrimental effect on beauty or performance. If the stone was rubbish, it would not even be representing WF's Expert Selection brand, you will still have a stone cut to standards that surpass the vast majority of any diamond you will ever encounter. Think of it like this, instead of a top of the line 911 Turbo, you have a good solid 911, I just hope the Petrol Heads don't come after me for that little analogy.... :?
 
Lorelei|1404217975|3704375 said:
proto|1404217316|3704369 said:
Hi Lorelei

been busy with work after spending so long on PS forums gazing at diamonds all day haha .

I thought leakage on ASET is white, though.

*scratches head
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Depends on the backlighting Proto, different set ups and all that jazz. I wondered where you had got to, Oosh and I miss you!

This link should help,

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance
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this still says leakeage is white and shows as white on the example ASETs.

in the WF ASET, it isnt white, its darker, compared to what I would consider leakage on the IS.

*still confused
 
It completely depends on backlighting. WF's ASET images get darker with more leakage. You can take a look at all their diamonds filtering on Expert Selection and Premium Select only, as this obviously occurs more in those.
 
Is it eye clean? Not sure about cut performance without ASET and IS.

For the money you are paying, get the best diamond possible. Do not compromise on cut. If I were you, I would look for other diamonds that are best cut and eye clean for sure. Drop color to G to get maximum size possible.
 
Hi WW,

Both the Ritani stones have definite potential, you would need to check if the SI is eye clean as FD mentions, also see if they can get an Idealscope or ASET image for each, that would tell us more.
 
Lorelei|1404244609|3704664 said:
Hi WW,

Both the Ritani stones have definite potential, you would need to check if the SI is eye clean as FD mentions, also see if they can get an Idealscope or ASET image for each, that would tell us more.
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Fantastic, but the VS2 looks to be a great stone.. They dont have an idealscope or AST.
 
Do you think the F VS2 GIA beats the AGS stones above?
 
I thought I found one for you, but unfortunately someone already beat us to it. It is currently reserved by someone. Contact Whiteflash to get yourself on wait list. If and when the diamond comes off from reserve, tell your SA to grab it for you. You will know status in a few days, because the reserve is good for only one week.
It is 1.032 ct F Si 1 ACA. AGS-104066463055. list price $8,780.
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2994229.htm?source=pricescope


In the meantime, consider the following alternatives. All have excellent cut, nice, eye-clean clarity, great IS/ASET.
1.105 ct, F Vs2. $11,622 List. Only negative is price.
1.185 H VS2. $10,192 Lis1. You may not like H.
1.096 H VS2, $9,494 List. You may not like H.
1.121 H Si1, $8,475 List. Best value, but I wish the crown angle were a little higher for more fire.

See the detailed comparison page here.
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare.aspx?idnos=3143294,3060882,3157609,2782667

I believe you get about 5% off on ACA diamonds if you mention you are a PS member and if you pay by wire/check. Need to check and confirm with WF, since I do not know the current discount situation.

If none of these diamonds work out, wait for better ones to come up. Be patient.
Remember, both IS and ASET images tell a lot about the cut quality. Sometimes, diamonds may have excellent cut spec, but do not necessarily have top cut performance. You also need photos of the diamonds to view the clarity acceptability (location, color, and size of inclusions). Lastly, you need the vendor to tell you if the diamond is eye-clean and if the inclusions have no durability issues, etc..
 
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