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Rough_Rock
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Some of you may recall this one, which basically chronicle the development of my criteria for my "perfect" diamond.

I knew I wanted an RB with a great cut, but beyond that, I was mostly concerned about getting the biggest stone I could get within my budget. After learning a little more here, I began focusing on the idea of getting an H or I with Fluor to whiten it, since that seemed obtainable in my price range.

As I researched Fluor more, though, I became romantic about the idea of finding what used to be called a "saw a few pics of such stones owned by PSers, and knew I had to have one.

Well... that meant finding a Very Strong Blue fluor, ideal cut, high-color, non-milky diamond. And it needed to be at least 7mm wide due to the caster insisting that my design needed to be 6mm wide at the stone in order to be strong.

Trying to find an ideal-cut VSB is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. It appears they get used for practice stones, their cuts are usually so bad. With the gracious and patient help of several vendors from this board, I researched about a hundred VSB and SB fluor stones within (and slightly out of) my price range over about a six-week period.

I want to thank everyone who has tried to help me find this "VSB fluorescent needle in a haystack": Dr. Indira Merchant, Paul Slegers and John Pollard at Infinity Diamonds, Todd Gray at NiceIce, Wink Jones, Chris Gonzales at Whiteflash, Yekutiel Davidov at ID Jewelry, Josh at James Allen, Martin Sheffield at USA Certed, and especially Gary Friedman at Engagement Rings Direct. You were all absolutely wonderful to me, and I wish I could buy from every one of you. I hope other people will read this post and decide to buy from you. I know that if they work with you, they will be very satisfied customers. THANK YOU for giving really wonderful customer service.

Because I could not find an ideal cut Very Strong Blue with my specs in my price range (which fortunately got raised in the last few weeks of my search because the setting will come in lower than expected) I decided to go with... EightStar!

Dana at EightStar suggested we go with one of the larger but cheaper VSB stones I'd ruled out earlier in my search due to its poor cut. He made sure it was not milky, that it would still be eyeclean after the re-cut, and that it appeared lavender in daylight (due to the sun's UV light.) He also answered what must have seemed to be a million questions from myself and my BF, and he did it so patiently and in such detail. I remain incredibly impressed at his customer service.

Here is the stone before re-cut:

AGS 1.546 G SI2
depth 63.0
table 57.5
crown angle 35.6
pavilion angle 40.8
avg diameter 7.29mm
depth 4.59mm

Expected stats after re-cut:
1.324 G SI2
avg diameter: 7.11mm

We haven't discussed it, but my guess is that he will move the girdle down and re-cut and re-orient the crown, and also straighten up the pavilion mains as necessary (angle of pavilion is generally already good?) Experts, I'd love to hear your theories!

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Here is a close-up pic of the VSB fluor.

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Are you buying this stone and having it recut? Who will be doing your recut? Looks like you found your perfect solution.

You probably already saw this one but what the heck. There always is a risk in recutting.

=224&src=loupe:2o8h065d]1.36 ct F VS2 VSB
 
I was never in touch with Continental, but my guess is that one is wildly out of my price range.

We''ve purchased the poorly cut diamond, and 8* is currently working on the re-cut. They have a great guarantee that if anything happens to a stone they''ve selected for you during the re-cut, or if it doesn''t come out as perfectly as they expected, they will simply find another stone to replace the first one, and start the re-cut process over again. They are THAT committed to quality.
 
Sounds wonderful! I can''t wait to see the pictures!
 
If 8 Star is doing the cutting I''m sure it will turn out well. I''ve had a stone recut and it turn out nicely. I''ve always wondered how it works out cost-wise to buy a poorly cut stone and get it recut. If you feel comfortable about it tell us how much you paid for the stone and what is the cost of the recutting.
 
The fluor on that diamond is amazing. Looking forward to seeing the results of your recut!
 
I don't think it would be fair to EightStar to divulge the costs but you can get some idea of my budget if you read my other posts. My setting should cost about $1000 (my caster works cheap) so my budget for the stone increased a bit since this is much less than anticipated. To me, the most important part is that I will be getting an estimated 1.324 G SI2 that will have the unique traits I desire and an undeniably fantastic cut, and the budget allows it. How great is that? If you are like me and want something different than everyone else, I encourage you to contact Dana to explore the possibility of going this route.

Yes, I agree - the fluor is remarkably vivid! Can you see the halo of blue around it?
 
Wow you weren''t kidding about VSB! That halo-effect is amazing. Can''t wait to see the cut stone!
 
Please be careful with the term blue-white.
No dealer/cutter/vendor in the US wants there name associated with the term as the FTC has banned its use and they could face massive fines if they used it.
For the sake of the vendors you mentioned please contact Andrey and have it edited.
While this is perhaps being overly cautious because they didnt do anything wrong your post can be seen to imply that they did.
Replace the term with vsb fluorescent.
 
Good point Karl.

I suspect the "halo" is not really there, but is an artifact of the photography.
It may be a dirty lens or light bouncing around inside the lens or lens elements that don't have the coatings necessary to reduce glare.

I'm sure 8* will do a great job cutting your stone and you will be very happy.
Congratulations for taking a unique approach to finding the ideal stone for you.
 
I apologize to all the vendors whom I have mentioned for inconsiderately using a taboo term to describe the product I searched for. I have asked the moderator to change the title of the post, and to make sure that, where it appears in the text, it have "quotes" around it. I have also asked that the first instance of the use of the term be followed with "(I know vendors cannot call it this - I choose to call it this in order to reference historical times. None of the vendors with whom I worked called it by this term at any point.)"
 
Thank you for your very kind words!

As a former EightStar dealer I am sure you are going to be VERY pleased with your gem. They do wonderful work.

Wink
 
"Blue-white" trivia:

March 14, 2008: 46-carat diamond from Bo-Karoo described as "blue-white" sold by Kimberley Consolidated Mining (KCM) for 1.28M ($28,000 per carat). (I''ve included the pic of it below.)

The Excelsior Diamond, found in 1893 at Jagersfontein and weighing 971 carats rough, was said to be blue-white.

NY Times article from 1919 reports that a 388-carat "blue-white" diamond rough was found at Jagersfontein (the article also names off some other truly giant diamonds - pretty interesting!)

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