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Okay, so last night the BF and I had a convo that resulted in me crying (probably being overly emotional) and me not really sure of where things are going. I just really need to get it all down to really help me process I think so this is more or less a rant or vent session than anything but I'd love some honest feedback. I just not sure if I'm PMSing and extremely emotional or am just making a mountain out of a mole hill. So here goes...

First off, the last few days with the BF have been incredible...as they usually are! Tuesday night I had to work really late and he went to our favorite italian place and picked up dinner with the intent of surprising me at work with it...so sweet! He never really does much like that, not b/c he doesn't care but moreorless b/c he isn't a planner. Then last night he came over after work and I cooked us dinner and we were sitting around watching the Phillies game. (I live in Delaware so we are very close to Philadelphia and pretty much everyone is a Phillies fan around here!) He discovered my new obsession with PS and online ring shopping in general a few days ago. As he's gotten more comfortable talking about our future recently I've gotten more and more excited and for the first time, finally felt like it was my time to be in the spotlight. Growing up I've always just wanted to grow up, get married, and start a family. I just never felt like that time would really come. I've been through bad relationship after bad relationship and was starting to become pretty skeptical that I'd find "the one". Then I found him, and he's more than anything I could have ever asked for. He loves me in a way that no one else has ever loved me. So anyways, I think I've just gotten kind of carried away at looking at rings and thinking that it could happen soon.

So back to my story...I was sitting on my couch with my laptop, reading the forum last night as we watched the game together and he asked me what I was looking at and we talked about it and I just so happened to be looked at the "Dream Ring" thread. It came up a few days ago that the rings I liked were nothing like what he would have expected me to like so last night I started asking him what he thought I'd like then and showing him different pictures. He wouldn't really answer and I think he just kind of got overwhelmed...well I don't think...I know...he said he was feeling overwhelmed. So anyways, I let it go and we went up to bed and were just kind of laying there and started talking as we were falling asleep. I don't even remember how it came up again but suddenly we were talking about it again. He said that he really liked having a timeline and that he appreciates it b/c I know he's not a planner so it kind of pusheS him to do things he'd normally not do, and blah blah blah. Well when you are talking about asking someone to marry you...I'm sorry, but I don't want to set a timeline that is going to push him to do something he normally wouldn't do. Then he started saying things like "we've been together a year and a half, and I want to give you what you deserve. I want you to be happy and I know that commitment would make you happy and that you deserve it." So basically all I was hearing about was what he thinks I want and what would make me happy. But what about him? I told him I don't want him to do something b/c he thinks it'll make me happy, only if it would make him happy too and that it isn't all about me, it's about a partnership and something that big needs to happen when we are both ready for it and I'd never want to rush him if he wasn't ready. I also told him that having a timeline really is starting to make me nervous. The more I think about it....what if he doesn't meet the timeline I expect based on our conversations (which according to earlier conversations was looking like it was by March). Then I'm just left disappointed and I'm afraid of resenting him for that, which I don't want to do. We also talked about moving in together in March, which is where the original timeline first popped up. He always told me he wanted to be married or at least engaged before moving in with someone, well we are neither. So earlier this week he made the comment that he'd still like to be engaged before we move in together in March so I got excited...further fueling my interest in this forum and ring shopping, etc. Well living together came up again last night and now I'm starting to get nervous about that too. Based on what he was saying last night, I don't think he plans on getting engaged before moving in together, he all of a sudden doesn't view it as such a big deal. What scares me about it now though is that he is talking about buying a house and me living with him. (My credit is not so great.) I wouldn't really have a problem with this if we were engaged and planning a wedding, but the thought of losing my independence and taking that risk of moving in with someone without my name on a lease or a mortgage, etc makes me extremely vulnerable. I never in a million years would expect him to hurt me, and I know he has the very best of intentions but what if? Ya know? What if it just doesn't work? The other part too is that he's never lived on his own, even with roommates so he was saying last night that when we move in together he needs me to understand that this is his first time in a place of his own and that it's going to be a different experience for him than for me, etc. So I keep telling him that's okay, if he wants to live on his own first, that's fine....no biggie, just tell me. I'd hate to have my friend who I currently live with find another living situation and then have the BF back out of living together or have it not work out, ya know? Then I'd be stuck. I keep telling him it would be fine if my friend and I renewed our lease for another year and it would give him the chance to live on his own. He said he really likes the idea of waking up with me and going to sleep with me every night. That it would be a lot of fun and that he wants to cook dinner with me, and go grocery shopping with me. He wants to do laundry with me, etc. All very sweet, but for some reason our conversation last night has me incredibly freaked out. I'm suddenly very scared.

I would not EVER want to push him for something he didn't want and I don't think I have but I feel like somehow he has still gotten caught up in what he thinks I want, instead of what he wants too...and let's face it...no one wants to move in with someone or get engaged to someone who doesn't want it just as badly, ya know? So anyway, I started to cry when we were talking about the moving part and how I'd be afraid of losing my independence without any real commitment, etc. And he said he felt really bad and that he hates when I cry and that he's sorry, blah blah blah. I just don't know what to do or say anymore. I'm just all over the place emotionally. I want to be with him so badly...all the time.

He left before me this morning and I was feeling really crappy about our talk last night so I sent him a text saying,

"Hey babe, I love you! I'm sorry about last night, I know all this talk is too much for you so I'll stop it for awhile. I just got carried away. Have a good day!"

His reply: "It's ok! Don't apologize. Love you too!"

Which I guess I just wanted more from his reply so I sent another saying:

"I am sorry, I should have waited until we were both ready to discuss rings. I don't want to mess up what we have by asking or expecting too much too soon."

His response: "It's okay! Chill out, I am fine and I love you even more today! Ask me again in an hour and I bet it's even more then!"

I am just feeling kind of lost. The other part too is that my cousin just moved home from Alaska with her husband. She is pregnant. This kind of bothers me b/c I am the oldest of the cousins (7 girls) and I guess I just always imagined me getting married and having kids first b/c of it but it just didn't work out like that. Her husband was in the military and they eloped without telling anyone for a while until he moved to Alaska and she went with. There has always been an unspoken competition between us for the families attention I feel like. While she was away it was like for the first time ever they really cared about what I was up to and how things were going for me and I felt like I finally had somewhat of a spotlight...now with her back, and expecting, I feel like I don't stand a chance. Maybe subconsciencely I felt like if I was to get engaged and start planning a wedding then I wouldn't be completely forgotten about! Stupid, I know. Don't get me wrong, I'm so happy she's having the baby, and it's the first baby in our family in 18 years so it's a big deal. I guess I'm just a little jealous b/c she seems to have everything I've always wanted and it just never seems to happen for me. I feel like no matter how great of a relationship I'm in and how I really, truly feel like this one is "the one", they just never seem to feel the same about me. I guess I'm just afraid of getting caught up in the same thing with my BF. He told me last night that he almost feels like I love him more than he loves me sometimes, that he never thought someone would love him as much as I do. Great for him, but what about me?
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He said that came out wrong and that he loves me as much, if not more than I love him but at that point, I already heard "You love me more than I love you". That really hurt and just added to my confusion. I just have no doubt in my mind that he is the one I want to spend my life with so I just want the rest of my life to start already!!

I am so sick of waiting, not that I've been waiting long with him...just waiting in general for it to be my turn, for someone to love me as much as I love them and wanting the whole world to know it by proposing to me and showing everyone that our love is real and we are committed.

I think it might be best if I stop coming to this forum...at least for awhile b/c it just seems to fuel my anxiety over getting engaged. Makes me want to look for rings and although I love hearing all of the proposal stories, I just don't see it happening for me for awhile still and that makes it hard.

I just don't understand what is so scary to men about getting engaged/married. I feel like so many of them "talk the talk" but don't "walk the walk". They can openly discuss marriage and plans for the future but can't make the darn commitment. Why? Why are men so scared? If you know you want to spend your life with someone and you can openly tell them that, why do you have to wait to share that commitment with everyone else? I don't get it.

Ugh! Now that I've had my vent for the day, I do feel a little better to get it all out. I think I'm just going to go shopping tonight...that always makes me feel better! More clothes...not that I really need them, lol.
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To anyone that reads this: Thanks for listening....I appreciate having this forum available to have my thoughts heard. Your thoughts/advice, etc are welcome. Thanks again!
 
Okay Pretty, heres what I got from your post...

You''re boyfriend (bless him and his clarity) has made himself pretty clear that he''s feeling a bit overwhelmed right now, and that you need to give him some breathing room. But you aren''t hearing what you want to, so you continue to push the issue with.

First, you''re really lucky that your boyfriend is upfront and direct. Lots of LIW struggle to get a solid answer out of their BF''s and end up frantic over it. You, on the other hand, have your answer but are refusing to accept the simplicity of it.

Are you wrong to want a more detailed answer? No, probably not, it''s human nature after all to seek knowledge. But, when he flat out tells you to ease off, I''d suggest easing off.

Most woman think about the man they''ll marry from a surprisingly young age...and by the time they meet the "one" a girl tends to be so comfortable with the topic of marriage, and rings, and babies, and forever that it''s sometimes easy for her to forgot how someone (her SO) could actually be *uncomfortable* with the topic.

Men really don''t dwell on the topic of marriage. Men prefer tangible things like sports or cars...they rarely live in the "what if someday" land that ladies do. So while your boyfriend clearly loves you to pieces, and wants a future with you...this is probably the first extended amount of time he''s spent on the topic...and you''re pounding him over the head with it! That, my dear, will give a man cold feet faster than anything else in the entire world.

As far as your cousins being married and pregnant...thats good for her...but you''re not there yet. I find myself saying this over and over again lately, but you''re in the relationship you''re supposed to be in right now...you''re not supposed to be married, or you would be. Everything has a place and time, you unfortuantly haven''t gotten to your time yet...but that doesn''t mean it will never happen.

All in all, I''d just back off and let him be the next one to bring up the topic.
 
pretty - wow that was a lot to read,and I really didn''t finish ALL OF IT (Sorry!!) I really think you are over analyzing this whole thing. I think he probably DOES want to do what will make you happy and he said it out of genuine interest in making you happy, not lack of his own feelings. I also think that you SHOULD be engaged before getting a house together, and I would tell him that, try living in an apartment first (and who says you have to be engaged for that?) then do a house when you are engaged.

Otherwise, Take a long deep breath.... reeeeelllllaaaaaxxxxx. Something that I''ve learned to do is just go with the flow, enjoy life and enjoy the moment and stop rushing myself AND him. Just enjoy you guys together and when it''s right, it will happen. He apparently DOES have it on his mind. He''s not saying he wouldn''t NORMALLY EVER ask you to marry him, just that he wouldn''t normally think and plan ahead and the timeline is making him do so WHICH IS A GOOD THING. You said he isn''t a planner, now he is forced to learn how to do that and he''s going to need to do that in the future... So take a relax pill, enjoy life, and come be crazy with us..... oh.... and no crying!!!

THERE"S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!
 
I''m with him. Chill out!
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Just kidding. Kind of. I''d guess this is a bit of PMS jumbling up your thoughts because its not making too much sense to me. You ask "what are they so afraid of" but all your talk about being scared is YOU being scared ... not him. Scared things won''t go exactly as you wish, scared he''s only in this to please you, scared of moving in with him, scared of it not working out (as if it *would* def work out if you were already engaged?).

He sounds pretty calm about everything - from your description at least. And he''s not freaking out about YOU freaking out ... yet!

If you don''t want to move in together until you''re engaged: don''t. If you worry that he''s not as excited as you are about getting engaged: 99% of guys aren''t. They aren''t brought up to want it the same way. The don''t dream about it the same way. Deal in facts. Realities. Not in what you *wish* would happen. Or how you *wish* the world would be. Yanno?

Other people''s timelines & lives have no bearing on your own. The quicker you realize that the less miserable you''ll be about it.

Things are OK. You have a guy you love who seems to love you too .... insecurities & all! We all have ''em. Struggling to control them is a life-long battle. I hope you won''t be offended if I suggest that you find some coping mechanisms to help you work on these turbulent emotions & feelings withOUT dumping them on him & being too needy (multiple texts, hoping for just a bit more validation). If you have tools to calm yourself you''ll be able to keep the OVERreactions from contaminating your perfectly lovely relationship. Serious stuff: talk it out. Little stuff: work it out yourself or with friends. If you learn to recognize when you''re spinning yourself up into a tizzy for no *real* reason ... you''ll save yourself a lot of "fights"! I promise!
 
Pretty, I was reading your post and just kept saying to myself, OMG someone had the same sort of talk last...and in DE?!? Craziness...

Anywho, I can only offer my .02 since I am not in your relationship. But when SO and I were talking last night I started to cry about the engagement marriage issue. I was upfront and said, "this is hard for me to bring up because I risk that you might not want to talk about it or feel overwhelmed and want to run as fast as possible in the other direction" He smiled and responded, "honestly hun, the thought of picking out an ering for you is the scariest thing I can possibly imagine." It made me laugh since he is a veteran so I am sure there is a case of tall tales there, but what I took from is that men feel pressure about this whole thing too. They want to get their girl the best ring, make her happy, marry her all of those things, but it is pretty scary since most of them are flying blind out there. Not to mention the fact that most men don''t think about the ring wedding etc, until they are actually ready to buy it. There is no planning window sometimes. We talked for a while, and he got overwhelmed and I just kept it honest saying "I don''t want this to be scary, it should be a fun thing to do, not scary. I want you to know my expectations NOW so that 6 months from now or a year later I am not harboring any resentment towards you for something you were unaware of." I think the more straight forward and simple we keep it for the guys out there, they tend to appreciate it. But stick around, I think it is nice to having a place to talk with other LIW''s about our issues!
 
Whew, I read the whoooooole thing
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OK, you''re sending him really mixed signals. In return, he''s overwhelmed and confused now.

Here''s what you do.

1. Chill with the ring shopping, and PS''ing in front of him

2. When he brings up moving in, or buying a condo, say "You should do what YOU are comfortable with on your own timeline hun. I''ll move after we''re engaged." Period. It''s making you nervous to think about it, it might delay an engagement, and I would stay where I was for the time being.

3. When he starts hinting about timelines, engagements, etc. you tell him "let''s not talk about this until you''re ready to have a definite and serious discussion. I don''t want to get excited and then feel like things are in limbo. You just tell me when you''re ready".

4. Stop talking about your future. Stop talking about who else got engaged. Stop talking about apartments and leases. In summary....STOP.

Once you put him in the position of having to "chase you down" he probably will. Men respond to women who are independent. It makes THEM want to claim you, vs. feeling like they are being chased and YOU are trying to claim THEM.
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Date: 10/23/2008 4:07:37 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Whew, I read the whoooooole thing
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OK, you''re sending him really mixed signals. In return, he''s overwhelmed and confused now.

Here''s what you do.

1. Chill with the ring shopping, and PS''ing in front of him

2. When he brings up moving in, or buying a condo, say ''You should do what YOU are comfortable with on your own timeline hun. I''ll move after we''re engaged.'' Period. It''s making you nervous to think about it, it might delay an engagement, and I would stay where I was for the time being.

3. When he starts hinting about timelines, engagements, etc. you tell him ''let''s not talk about this until you''re ready to have a definite and serious discussion. I don''t want to get excited and then feel like things are in limbo. You just tell me when you''re ready''.

4. Stop talking about your future. Stop talking about who else got engaged. Stop talking about apartments and leases. In summary....STOP.

Once you put him in the position of having to ''chase you down'' he probably will. Men respond to women who are independent. It makes THEM want to claim you, vs. feeling like they are being chased and YOU are trying to claim THEM.
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I just wanted to say thanks for writing that last part! I know it wasn''t directed toward me or anything, but I think it''s something we all need to hear from time to time. At least, I know I do!!
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Date: 10/23/2008 4:07:37 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Whew, I read the whoooooole thing
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OK, you''re sending him really mixed signals. In return, he''s overwhelmed and confused now.

Here''s what you do.

1. Chill with the ring shopping, and PS''ing in front of him

2. When he brings up moving in, or buying a condo, say ''You should do what YOU are comfortable with on your own timeline hun. I''ll move after we''re engaged.'' Period. It''s making you nervous to think about it, it might delay an engagement, and I would stay where I was for the time being.

3. When he starts hinting about timelines, engagements, etc. you tell him ''let''s not talk about this until you''re ready to have a definite and serious discussion. I don''t want to get excited and then feel like things are in limbo. You just tell me when you''re ready''.

4. Stop talking about your future. Stop talking about who else got engaged. Stop talking about apartments and leases. In summary....STOP.

Once you put him in the position of having to ''chase you down'' he probably will. Men respond to women who are independent. It makes THEM want to claim you, vs. feeling like they are being chased and YOU are trying to claim THEM.
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Perfect response on every point.

Also the "chase you down" part must be genuine and not an act of manipulation on any level. Independent people are attracted to independent people--if it''s a facade at all, it will just crumble in the long-run.
 
Okay first off....let me apologize for how long that was!
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I didn''t realize it until I opened it back up to read some responses! Sorry for the information overload!
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I really appreciates everyone''s comments.

Italiahaircolor - you make a great point "Most woman think about the man they''ll marry from a surprisingly young age...and by the time they meet the "one" a girl tends to be so comfortable with the topic of marriage, and rings, and babies, and forever that it''s sometimes easy for her to forgot how someone (her SO) could actually be *uncomfortable* with the topic."

I have told him before that we didn''t have to talk about it if he wasn''t ready. I also have told him that I don''t want to overwhelm him and that we are in this together. He tells me all the time that the topic of getting engaged and rings, etc doesn''t freak him out like I thought it would...so I guess that is good. I think the fact that he is so reassuring that this topic doesn''t freak him out contributed to my overload of info that caused him to feel overwhelmed?
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I tend to do that sometimes...I am a planner by nature...my profession is an event planner, so naturally...I plan! He has told me that I am the first girl he has ever even really discussed marriage or engagement with so I know it is big for him. I guess I just get mixed signals from him b/c one minute he is all for talking about it and then the next minute it is too much.

Dragonfly411 - I think you are right. I don''t want to get a place with him until we are engaged. I lived with my ex for about 2 years and although I learned a lot from that relationship and about living with a BF, etc., I really deep down in my heart feel that my BF is "the one" and if so, I think waiting until we are at least engaged to live together will make it all that more special. I think it can be easy to get wrapped up in living together and doing the things married people do without the commitment, and I really do want that commitment first.

You are also right about the timeline, it would push him to act on it, my only fear I guess is would he resent me for it down the road? Ya know?

decodelighted - You are right, I do ask what are they so afraid of and I do talk a lot about being afraid myself. I wasn''t afraid...and I''m still absolutely sure of what I want, my fear lies in setting myself up for disappointment if it doesn''t happen when I think it should and compromising my independence in the process. The part I struggle with is why men seem to take longer to get to the place that women are always so ready for. But I think that italiahaircolor really made a good point when she said that we grow up wanting this, they don''t think about it until right before it happens.

You are absolutely right, he is so ridiculously calm about EVERYTHING...I think that is why I tend to freak out sometimes...I''m definitely the emotional one in the relationship!

Megster - Thanks for your post, made me realize I''m not alone out there, that other people can relate and I''m not entirely crazy...maybe just a little crazy!
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Just like you, I have told him it''s hard to talk about with him b/c I don''t want to pressure, just share my hopes, etc an I don''t want it to make him run away and he''s been great about the whole thing! He''s so calm and collected and not freaked out which makes me get even more excited b/c it makes me feel like we are on the same page, and if not, at least close. Which then after a conversation like last night makes me see otherwise. I think you are right...it might be more about the ring than anything...and not wanting to disappoint me and wanting to make sure he does it right. I just wish he realized that I don''t care about that, I care about him and he could NEVER disappoint me, I''m just excited to start our life together. (I have told him this, but I think it is a pride thing?)

purrfectpear - I really don''t "ring shop" or "PS" in front of him...it is him being nosey about what I''m doing that brings it in the open...he looks over my shoulder to see what I''m doing (in a joking way of course, b/c he knows what I''m doing and teases me about it...in a nice way.) All the more reason I think I got confused and thought it wouldn''t bother him. You are right though...I should not talk about it unless he brings it up. In my defense though, he is always the one that talks about moving in together, he brings that up...not me. I do need to tell him though that I''ve thought about it and am just not comfortable living with him until we are at least engaged.

Like I said Ladies-- thanks for your help and thoughts! I do appreciate it! And like I said...sorry for the long rant. I just don''t like talking to family and friends about this b/c they add to my anxiety so I figured it''s better here then freaking out on him!
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Thanks for the opportunity to share!
 
I have to agree with purrfectpear...I would just add.

Stop apologizing for pushing/talking! Really. Do not come back on it. Apologizing once is enough. Anymore then that sounds a little like begging.
 
He told me last night that he almost feels like I love him more than he loves me sometimes, that he never thought someone would love him as much as I do. Great for him, but what about me? "

Maybe I''m just a brat...but this would have me seriously running. :-(
 
Everyone here has given you REALLY valuable advice, and lots of food for thought. I do think it would probably be a good idea to re-visit this thread over the next few days and read a post or two at a time, so that you can get the most out of what everyone has to offer, as opposed to skimming all of them in one sweep....

Ummm....the only thing I''d like to add is that you say you don''t have the most fabulous credit, and that you''re currently in a roomie situation, and when you move in with your SO, you''d be in a "living together" situation...which makes me wonder if you need to depend on others'' credit in order to qualify for a lease (you DO NOT have to type out your answer here, AT ALL..this is just for your OWN personal introspection.....) If this is indeed the case, then maybe it would be a good idea to work on cleaning up your credit/clearing away old debts while you wait to be proposed to?

Having decent credit will open up a lot of opportunities for you (such as your own independence---you won''t "need" a roomie with good credit to find a place to live, you can rent a car, etc).

Also, by working to clean up your credit, you will be using some serious problem solving skills, and it will take patience, maturity, and diligence to get your credit to a good place. Those problem-solving skills and that kind of discipline are good things to bring into a marriage.

Also, decent credit is a good thing to bring into a marriage. besides which, solving this issue will occupy your time and your attention so that you''re not so apprehensive about getting engaged. You won''t be thinking "when will it happen" as often as you do now, because you;ll be occupied with the effort to resolve the credit issue.

It''s an important, mature step to take if you''re contemplating marriage, I think.
 
After reading your post i''m feeling all anxious and overwhelmed- I can''t imagine how your SO must be feeling.

The other ladies have given some really solid advice, I completely agree with everything purrfectpear has said. The only thing I have to add is that you really need to take a breath and be thankful for what you have now. If you keep pushing you might just push him out of your life.
 
Mediterranean--

I certainly appreciated your advice. I am well aware of how important it is to have good credit, I''m also aware that it is not something that can be repaired over night. I work for a bank, and have for several years now. Trust me, my credit is something I work to improve each and every day. It''s not that I have horrible credit and no one would ever approve me for anything. I could very easily get a mortgage on my own or with the BF for that matter. With today''s economy it is challenging to get a mortgage and to buy a house and interest rates are higher than they have been historically, the housing market is one of the main reasons the economy is suffering as much as it is now. The thought process on him being on the mortgage, and me not is because he could most likely get a much much better interest rate by himself than with me since I do have some blemishes on my file from when I was younger...we all make mistakes and I didn''t understand credit back then as I do now...and unfortunately I''m still paying it. The plan, as far as I am concerned, would be to refi in a few years and add my name to the mortgage once we were married, etc.

I do currently live in a roomie situation (where the lease is in my name), I live with a good friend of mine, but that is for shear convenience and so I can save money for our future, not because I have to. I am a very independent person and hate to rely on anyone. I''ve been moreorless independent from the day I graduated high school so that is not new to me.

I do feel that I am very mature for my age, 25. I''ve been through a lot, especially during my childhood and I''ve learned from a lot and it helped to make me the person I am today. My independence is one of the reasons he fell in love with me.

I am by no means apprehensive about getting engaged. I would love to be engaged today, tomorrow, 6 weeks ago, etc. I feel that we are ready for that next step. My apprehension lies with living with him without having that commitment of being engaged and getting married, etc b/c then I would in a sense be giving up my independence without the reassurance of that commitment.

As for the posters-- I appreciate your advice as well. I really do feel like some of your opinions are certainly not easy to read. I am an extremely sensitive person, but I did ask for honest feedback so I certainly expected some of what you are saying. I''m sure that I do sound somewhat crazy and I assure you, I am not this "crazy" all of the time. I just am feeling extremely anxious, and I only shared because I thought some of you might be able to relate to how being a LIW can make you feel slightly crazy sometimes. I''m sure this anxiety will die down and pass and then I''ll feel normal again...at least I hope...please tell me that''s true!
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Date: 10/23/2008 2:09:45 PM
Author:prettylnpink419
So I keep telling him that''s okay, if he wants to live on his own first, that''s fine....no biggie, just tell me. I''d hate to have my friend who I currently live with find another living situation and then have the BF back out of living together or have it not work out, ya know? Then I''d be stuck. I keep telling him it would be fine if my friend and I renewed our lease for another year and it would give him the chance to live on his own. He said he really likes the idea of waking up with me and going to sleep with me every night. That it would be a lot of fun and that he wants to cook dinner with me, and go grocery shopping with me. He wants to do laundry with me, etc.
The above part of your post really stood out for me. It sounds to me that your BF wants the ''comfots'' of living with you full-time, but without making the kind of commitment which is important to you. He doesn''t think getting engaged before moving is a ''big deal'', but at the same time he wants to wake up to you every day, he wants to do laundry with you..etc. I''m sorry - that just sounds like he''s getting u all of what he wants out of living together, but you won''t be getting what you want, since you would prefer to be engaged before moving in, and you had expressed that to him. This wouldn''t be a big deal if moving in without being engaged wasn''t important to you -but it is. Especilally with the concerns you have about your credit. Engagement is a big step - but so is owning/buying a house with someone. I think you should be firm about what you want too - don''t move in with him before getting that committment, even if it means continuing to stay with your friend for a little while.
 
HI:

If you have set your benchmark at being engaged before you live together do, not lower your "standard". In sticking to your word, your SO will soon realize that your ideals are not negotiable and malliable. I know it is obvious, but I will state it nonetheless: living together is not promise of marriage.

cheers--Sharon
 
Date: 10/24/2008 10:01:48 AM
Author: Sha
Date: 10/23/2008 2:09:45 PM

Author:prettylnpink419

So I keep telling him that''s okay, if he wants to live on his own first, that''s fine....no biggie, just tell me. I''d hate to have my friend who I currently live with find another living situation and then have the BF back out of living together or have it not work out, ya know? Then I''d be stuck. I keep telling him it would be fine if my friend and I renewed our lease for another year and it would give him the chance to live on his own. He said he really likes the idea of waking up with me and going to sleep with me every night. That it would be a lot of fun and that he wants to cook dinner with me, and go grocery shopping with me. He wants to do laundry with me, etc.

The above part of your post really stood out for me. It sounds to me that your BF wants the ''comfots'' of living with you full-time, but without making the kind of commitment which is important to you. He doesn''t think getting engaged before moving is a ''big deal'', but at the same time he wants to wake up to you every day, he wants to do laundry with you..etc. I''m sorry - that just sounds like he''s getting u all of what he wants out of living together, but you won''t be getting what you want, since you would prefer to be engaged before moving in, and you had expressed that to him. This wouldn''t be a big deal if moving in without being engaged wasn''t important to you -but it is. Especilally with the concerns you have about your credit. Engagement is a big step - but so is owning/buying a house with someone. I think you should be firm about what you want too - don''t move in with him before getting that committment, even if it means continuing to stay with your friend for a little while.




Sha,

WORD! Pretty, if I were in your position (and I''m not--I only have a teeny-tiny snapshot of your relationship from your post. I know there''s a depth and richness between you and SO which defies words) BUT if I were in your shoes, I would probably be paying extra close attention to Sha''s post and VSlover''s post. Those two make the most excellent and important points.


 
Oh sweetheart!!! Calm down and give the man some room to propose.

Mediterranean gave really good advice. I really advocate getting your credit life in order. Marriage or no marriage, your credit score is IMPORTANT. There are plenty of forums that educate and promote sane credit practices. Suze Orman has really good advice.

Save yourself the stress and stop competing with your cousin!! Getting a moment in the spotlight isn''t the reason to get married.

Good luck!
 
Date: 10/24/2008 8:53:19 AM
Author: prettylnpink419
As for the posters-- I appreciate your advice as well. I really do feel like some of your opinions are certainly not easy to read. I am an extremely sensitive person, but I did ask for honest feedback so I certainly expected some of what you are saying. I''m sure that I do sound somewhat crazy and I assure you, I am not this ''crazy'' all of the time. I just am feeling extremely anxious, and I only shared because I thought some of you might be able to relate to how being a LIW can make you feel slightly crazy sometimes. I''m sure this anxiety will die down and pass and then I''ll feel normal again...at least I hope...please tell me that''s true!
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It is, but it isn''t easy. It took me and my SO having a really tough time for me to stop and think that the way we were (and are again now) isn''t that bad and that being in a hurry and being anxious about it will just stop me from enjoying and improving what we have. That calmed me a lot. Before that, I was also very anxious and talking to him about it a lot, to the point that we had a big fight over it.

So, try and distract yourself, focus on the good parts of your relationship, and stay true to your needs (ie not moving in together without an engagement) and this anxiety will pass.
 
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