What do you think of this sapphire?

[ScottishDog]

My father recently bought a sapphire. A gemologist said that this is considered as a cornflower blue sapphire.

GRI certificate shows that there is a sign of heat. The weight is 11.45ct and I personally havent seen it in person whether there is the cut is weird or not. According to him, it has a high clarity




My father bought it for $23k usd including the 18ct yellow gold ring and icing. Its not a small amount. Was he ripped off?

 

[Diamond Girl 21]

Can't help with the price, but that blue is stunning.

 

[ShinyPink]

Is the cert from GRI or GRS? I haven't heard of GRI, but maybe others have. Also, where was the ring- jewelry store, pawn shop, etc? New or used? These all can impact the price. An 11+ ct heat only sapphire in an 18k diamond setting is rather expensive. So he either got a great deal, or not.

 

[ScottishDog]

Is the cert from GRI or GRS? I haven't heard of GRI, but maybe others have. Also, where was the ring- jewelry store, pawn shop, etc? New or used? These all can impact the price. An 11+ ct heat only sapphire in an 18k diamond setting is rather expensive. So he either got a great deal, or not.

GRI is the best one in the country and most people usually go to them since GRS is not available in my country(Its not because of the similar name). Its new-ish since its never really worn by the old owner. The ring itself is from the market and I am not too sure which shop sold the sapphire.

 

[LD]

I’m slightly confused …. You said the ring was yellow gold with icing? Not sure what that means but the ring in the photo isn’t yellow gold.

For a stone that size I would want to send it to a reputable lab to make sure I knew exactly what I was getting. You need to send it to a lab that has the capability to test for all treatments and for the price your Father has paid I would want to be 100% sure of what I was getting.

 

[ScottishDog]

I’m slightly confused …. You said the ring was yellow gold with icing? Not sure what that means but the ring in the photo isn’t yellow gold.

For a stone that size I would want to send it to a reputable lab to make sure I knew exactly what I was getting. You need to send it to a lab that has the capability to test for all treatments and for the price your Father has paid I would want to be 100% sure of what I was getting.

its just a normal ring and it was white gold plated.

The lab was one of the most reliable in my country.

 

[ShinyPink]

I’m slightly confused …. You said the ring was yellow gold with icing? Not sure what that means but the ring in the photo isn’t yellow gold.

I'm glad you said that. I had it in my reply but I couldn't word it politely.

@ScottishDog What country are you in? I'm guessing $24k is the exchange rate. I understand that the lab is reliable in your country, but what testing equipment do they have?

There's a big difference in price between solid and plated gold jewelry.

 

[ScottishDog]

I'm glad you said that. I had it in my reply but I couldn't word it politely.

@ScottishDog What country are you in? I'm guessing $24k is the exchange rate. I understand that the lab is reliable in your country, but what testing equipment do they have?

There's a big difference in price between solid and plated gold jewelry.

Indonesia, its equivalent to 330,000,000 IDR.

The ring is solid gold but it was white gold plated. It had magnification, Abs Spectrum, SG, RI, UV Fluoroscence, FTIR and UV-Vis NIR

 

[ShinyPink]

By chance is it rhodium plated gold?

 

[LilAlex]

$2K/ct for a lovely heated sapphire in double-digit size is not getting ripped off, imo. However, a single smartphone photo (or even a thousand) is not enough for us to conclude that it is lovely.

 

[ScottishDog]

By chance is it rhodium plated gold?

oh yeah its rhodium, I forgot. Why did I say its white gold?

 

[ScottishDog]

$2K/ct for a lovely heated sapphire in double-digit size is not getting ripped off, imo. However, a single smartphone photo (or even a thousand) is not enough for us to conclude that it is lovely

too bad thats the only pic I can get

 

[lovedogs]

I’m slightly confused …. You said the ring was yellow gold with icing? Not sure what that means but the ring in the photo isn’t yellow gold.

For a stone that size I would want to send it to a reputable lab to make sure I knew exactly what I was getting. You need to send it to a lab that has the capability to test for all treatments and for the price your Father has paid I would want to be 100% sure of what I was getting.

This

 

[ScottishDog]

This

I'll make it clear

The ring is just a basic yellow gold ring with tons of diamonds and rhodium plated and the lab is the most reliable it can be and it was checked before it was bought. He exactly knew what he was getting but I am skeptical of the price.

 

[fussykiki]

I'll make it clear

The ring is just a basic yellow gold ring with tons of diamonds and rhodium plated and the lab is the most reliable it can be and it was checked before it was bought. He exactly knew what he was getting but I am skeptical of the price.

As long as he is happy with the ring and know what he is getting. Why bother?

Can he returns the the ring if he has been ripped off? If not, just enjoy it. It seems to be a nice ring from the photo.

 

[LD]

I'll make it clear

The ring is just a basic yellow gold ring with tons of diamonds and rhodium plated and the lab is the most reliable it can be and it was checked before it was bought. He exactly knew what he was getting but I am skeptical of the price.

I’m afraid you’re not getting the answers you want because nobody knows the lab and in this group you have hundreds of people who have been collecting for years. For a considered purchase it is ESSENTIAL to get the stone checked out properly. If you trust the lab then fine but if it’s not on our radar that’s a concern. There are some labs unfortunately who will tell you what you want to hear.

Is it a good price? Nobody can tell you without a proper analysis.

If your Dad is happy then perhaps it doesn’t matter?

 

[ScottishDog]

I’m afraid you’re not getting the answers you want because nobody knows the lab and in this group you have hundreds of people who have been collecting for years. For a considered purchase it is ESSENTIAL to get the stone checked out properly. If you trust the lab then fine but if it’s not on our radar that’s a concern. There are some labs unfortunately who will tell you what you want to hear.

Is it a good price? Nobody can tell you without a proper analysis.

If your Dad is happy then perhaps it doesn’t matter?

As long as he is happy with the ring and know what he is getting. Why bother?

Can he returns the the ring if he has been ripped off? If not, just enjoy it. It seems to be a nice ring from the photo.

I am not sure whether he is happy or not. He bought it to counter inflation rather than anything else. Though yes, it looks really nice compared to the sapphires I have seen in real life before. And thx for the answers anyways.

 

[whitewave]

As long as it’s for sure mined and not a lab, I think its a gorgeous stone with a nice price.

lovely.

 

[whitewave]

I am not sure whether he is happy or not. He bought it to counter inflation rather than anything else. Though yes, it looks really nice compared to the sapphires I have seen in real life before. And thx for the answers anyways.

Ah. Tell him gems and jewelry are assets but not investments. He will lose 30% at least on a resale.

its better to invest or generally buy land. (speaking of us in the us. He should consult with an established and respected money manager).

on the other hand, someone down the line in you family he perhaps will never meet will know what a cool person he was with excellent taste in jewelry. We call these heirloom pieces.

 

[lovedogs]

I am not sure whether he is happy or not. He bought it to counter inflation rather than anything else. Though yes, it looks really nice compared to the sapphires I have seen in real life before. And thx for the answers anyways.

Oh nooooo, do not ever buy gems as investments. They do not appreciate in value. They lose value immediately upon purchase, much like cars. If that's why he bought it, he needs to return asap.

 

[ShinyPink]

I bought stones on eBay about 15 years ago thinking I'd resell them someday for a profit. I also bought beanie babies, Barbies, etc. Some made a very nice profit (as in 200% of $20), but overall I'd say I was dumb.

They aren't making any more land, so this is usually the way to go, unless It's a seller's market. Right now in So Cal it's the perfect time to sell, but worst to buy.

 

[fussykiki]

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[Bron357]

As others have said, if the sapphire is natural and unheated, that price is a bargain. If the sapphire is heat only that’s a good price.
However if the sapphire is diffusion treated, that’s way too high as it would be if the sapphire was lab grown.
Because of the treatment and origin makes a HUGE difference to value, that’s why a reputable lab certificate is essential.
A 10 carat lab sapphire is worth less than $100.
A 10 carat unheated Kashmir is worth well over $100,000.
And sapphires with treatments and different origins are priced inbetween.
Gemstones only rarely make investment sense if you buy scarce and desirable gems at a good price and there’s a reputable venue for you to later sell them. Auction houses and the like charge at least 20% seller premium so you’d need that growth to just break even on purchase price.
If the ring is insured, thats an ongoing cost and if it’s not kept in a safe (being worn) then you have the risk of damage.
So gemstones and jewellery are best considered investments in personal joy from wearing and enjoying them. If you buy at a good price in the secondary market (not retail pricing) you can hopefully make back most your initial outlay if you choose to sell. Making a profit is unlikely.

 

[fussykiki]

Ah. Tell him gems and jewelry are assets but not investments. He will lose 30% at least on a resale.

its better to invest or generally buy land. (speaking of us in the us. He should consult with an established and respected money manager).

on the other hand, someone down the line in you family he perhaps will never meet will know what a cool person he was with excellent taste in jewelry. We call these heirloom pieces.

Hahahaha. Every time I buy jewelry, I tell my husband it will be passed to my daughter as heirloom. Then he rolls his eyes.

 

[ScottishDog]

Hahahaha. Every time I buy jewelry, I tell my husband it will be passed to my daughter as heirloom. Then he rolls his eyes.

well thats what he kind of plans to do with it

 

[ScottishDog]

Oh nooooo, do not ever buy gems as investments. They do not appreciate in value. They lose value immediately upon purchase, much like cars. If that's why he bought it, he needs to return asap.

He probably secretly like it like how a pet dog and a father bonded.

Ah. Tell him gems and jewelry are assets but not investments. He will lose 30% at least on a resale.

its better to invest or generally buy land. (speaking of us in the us. He should consult with an established and respected money manager).

on the other hand, someone down the line in you family he perhaps will never meet will know what a cool person he was with excellent taste in jewelry. We call these heirloom pieces.

lol