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What is the true color of this spinel?

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Rough_Rock
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Hello everyone.
I am new to buying gemstones, so I did a small bit of internet searching about certain gemstones I was interested in. That was how I came across this forum. However, I wanted to ask the more experienced people on what factors that I am definitely less experienced on. Namely what color is this spinel?
So what happened I was looking around for spinels because that was the hole I dug myself into was my finger got an itch on a “blue” spinel. And before I knew it I had already purchased it. This spinel is a trapezoidish shape with a concave cut (I think). It was labeled as deep blue spinel that is loupe clean (but I don’t have one of those with me, so I cannot confirm that) but it is certainly eye clean after looking at it very closely. Now the problem is that I don’t know whether I can actually call this deep blue, or even blue for that matter. When it first arrived, it was a completely cloud covered day. Whichwas when this photo was taken down belowB1BC3806-704F-4A9F-A39A-D55C79A6D46A.jpegAA33C405-73BB-46DD-B931-BBC9B84CCE4E.jpegAs you can see, the spinel isn’t fully gray (and yes I was expecting a gray modifier on this spinel), there is a slight blueish to it. But then I thought let me wait until it’s sunny. Which led to these photos.53067A9A-4B33-43D2-A056-9995A7B7AA80.jpeg6ED34E5E-15ED-4385-8589-622F215A3C8B.jpeg35A486F8-FD22-4595-A97C-454C72208290.jpeg Now here is the thing, only the last photo taken had color resembling the photo the seller took of this spinel most of the time. However, the spinel in question only looks like this at very small windows of time outside, and in the shade (and yes I to see the tilt window). But even then the other times it looks like the 2 and 3rd photo (which is blue gray instead of mostly blue). it’s more apparent in direct sunlight.2B1153F0-CB3B-4B79-9CC2-8293D41A92A8.jpeg But here is where the problem lies with this stone. It’s a color changing spinel (or at least I believe it is). Under some lights in the place I live, this spinel turns purple. It was very hard to photo graph the color change, as the phone I am using refuses to pick up on the purple I am seeing (it keeps trying to appear as gray). But this was the best ones I have showing the color are the first 2 (rest are the other attempts to capture the purple)FA7C2E94-CFC5-4A52-83E9-95F44A878C32.jpeg 917245EA-6A0C-460F-BEC0-366EDA7D87A1.jpegF33E9B0C-CF44-4112-B03B-D64166065841.jpegFDC8D304-B50A-4976-9666-7F86F1344F50.jpeg07577469-E90A-44D4-933F-088D44D6B16A.jpegThis brings up another question. Am I seeing this color because I want to but it’s actually gray? One of the reasons I am asking is I have heard that sometimes color changing spinels can influence how the stone looks under the sunlight, though I don’t think it’s the case here. That is what I have been trying to determine. Does this qualify as a blue spinel? And is it a color changing spinel?
 

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First of all, welcome! :wavey: Second, what an interesting cut. I can definitely see what you're talking about. The stone appears to be a steely blue to blue-green in natural or cooler light, and develops a purple-ish hue under warmer incandescent light. I would say the spinel is certainly in the color shift family. I doubt anyone here will refer to that stone as solely being "gray," because that variety of spinel has its own very specific connotations! :ugeek:
 
First of all, welcome! :wavey: Second, what an interesting cut. I can definitely see what you're talking about. The stone appears to be a steely blue to blue-green in natural or cooler light, and develops a purple-ish hue under warmer incandescent light. I would say the spinel is certainly in the color shift family. I doubt anyone here will refer to that stone as solely being "gray," because that variety of spinel has its own very specific connotations! :ugeek:

I agree with all of this. It definitely is a bluish-grey or grayish-blue and changes to purple depending on the light. It’s very pretty and well cut so I hope you will enjoy it.
 
Do you like the color and how it shifts? That's what really matters! The cut is a bigger concern for me here. I think the stone was chipped and kind of smoothed over without one of the points. If you like it, that's great, but I think a better solution would have been to recut the stone as a round, despite the carat loss.
 
I agree with all of this. It definitely is a bluish-grey or grayish-blue and changes to purple depending on the light. It’s very pretty and well cut so I hope you will enjoy it.

First of all, welcome! :wavey: Second, what an interesting cut. I can definitely see what you're talking about. The stone appears to be a steely blue to blue-green in natural or cooler light, and develops a purple-ish hue under warmer incandescent light. I would say the spinel is certainly in the color shift family. I doubt anyone here will refer to that stone as solely being "gray," because that variety of spinel has its own very specific connotations! :ugeek:

Hello both of you! :wavey:Yah, that was the conclusion I had come up with but just wanted to confirm. The thing was I was kicking myself over how I didn’t figure out the color and saturation would turn out this way. For some reference, here is the colors I was expecting to see. This was what I was expecting.0F47753F-A7D6-4779-9122-353A03026A3B.jpeg This is a photo of a stone with the same product name as mine. And here is a photo of mine was from the seller.79639293-CF47-4513-9FBF-15961F22AC6A.jpeg So I’m kicking myself a bit for expecting a stone of a color similar to the first pic after finding the listing.
The thing is though that got me the most was the seller has reviews of people who have posted pictures of the stones they received, and they look quite similar, with similar saturation of colors, albeit a bit darker. This was the first spinel I have ever purchased, and wanted one that had decent color saturation despite the gray modifier that was inevitable in the price range I was willing to spend on (this is a 0.87 ct despite it being listed as 0.9, and the seller had also rounded up 1 of the measurements but ehh) . That was why I was trying to wrap my head around why the gray modifier on my spinel looked significantly more influential then the picture posted by the seller. And another thing, the seller never mentioned it was a color changing spinel, and I kind of doubt they know it’s a color changer, but they might have known and just not marked it up as I have seen others do.
 
Do you like the color and how it shifts? That's what really matters! The cut is a bigger concern for me here. I think the stone was chipped and kind of smoothed over without one of the points. If you like it, that's great, but I think a better solution would have been to recut the stone as a round, despite the carat loss.

I kind of agree with you on the chip and smooth part. As for recutting, I don’t believe it is even an option. Also hello!
 
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Don’t kick yourself over not being able to describe color, in the end it truly does not matter unless you need to communicate something extremely specific when buying or selling remotely (e.g. online) with no return policy - which you should always avoid :) Everyone understands, sees, and describes color differently, that is why there isn’t a universally accepted standard to describe color in gems. The only thing that matters is whether or not you like the stone.

Cool cut btw!
 
Interesting cut indeed!

It shifts in different lighting condition for certain!

I can see grey, violet and blue, which is not unusual for Spinel as they are well-known for being shifty, IMHO.

And welcome to PS.

DK :))
 
Plastic effects how light hits gems. Could you please remove your gem from the bag and take a few more snaps - especially in the lighting where it showed up purple?

Thanks. It's very hard to get a good look with the ripples of the bag reflecting as much light as they are.

I've owned a few grey spinels and they are the most moody of gems! I love them - but you have to be prepared for the lighting where they look just plain ol' grey. As for - is it blue? I don't think so - but as @VividRed said above - everyone sees color differently.

The photo of your gem showing the most blue (the vendor's photo) has the gem sitting on bark. So I'm guessing - outside. Meaning it could easily just be reflecting the sky and have very little blue whatsoever. I'd feel pretty disappointed if I 100% wanted a blue gem - because it just isn't. But is it pretty? Absolutely! And I love the purples you get in grey spinels. So it's swings and roundabouts, I guess.

Good luck with this!
 
Yes to all of the above. Grey spinels are very popular right now & they are VERY shifty, color-wise. ;) They very often display a wide variety of additional colors, dependent on lighting, so you should definitely not kick yourself for not knowing what the actual color would be IRL.

However, in answer to your original question, this is a shifty dark grey spinel.

(Everything I say from here until the end of my post is just to help you learn about spinel colors & prices. And, to help you protect yourself from misrepresentations by sellers. I say this in kindness:)

If you paid a premium for a blue spinel, you should return this stone and keep looking for a blue spinel. This is not a blue spinel with a grey modifier. It is a grey spinel that shifts to show some blue sometimes.

As I'm sure you learned while looking for a blue spinel, blue spinels are typically more expensive than grey spinels because there are far fewer truly blue spinels. (Truly blue spinels are pricey.)

Fully gray spinels also typically cost more than shifty gray spinels, also due to rarity and current popularity.

This is all to say that while this stone is pretty, it is not what would be considered a blue spinel.

I wish you all the best on your hunt for the stone of your desires!
 
Don’t kick yourself over not being able to describe color, in the end it truly does not matter unless you need to communicate something extremely specific when buying or selling remotely (e.g. online) with no return policy - which you should always avoid :) Everyone understands, sees, and describes color differently, that is why there isn’t a universally accepted standard to describe color in gems. The only thing that matters is whether or not you like the stone.

Cool cut btw!


Interesting cut indeed!

It shifts in different lighting condition for certain!

I can see grey, violet and blue, which is not unusual for Spinel as they are well-known for being shifty, IMHO.

And welcome to PS.

DK :))


Plastic effects how light hits gems. Could you please remove your gem from the bag and take a few more snaps - especially in the lighting where it showed up purple?

Thanks. It's very hard to get a good look with the ripples of the bag reflecting as much light as they are.

I've owned a few grey spinels and they are the most moody of gems! I love them - but you have to be prepared for the lighting where they look just plain ol' grey. As for - is it blue? I don't think so - but as @VividRed said above - everyone sees color differently.

The photo of your gem showing the most blue (the vendor's photo) has the gem sitting on bark. So I'm guessing - outside. Meaning it could easily just be reflecting the sky and have very little blue whatsoever. I'd feel pretty disappointed if I 100% wanted a blue gem - because it just isn't. But is it pretty? Absolutely! And I love the purples you get in grey spinels. So it's swings and roundabouts, I guess.

Good luck with this!


Yes to all of the above. Grey spinels are very popular right now & they are VERY shifty, color-wise. ;-) They very often display a wide variety of additional colors, dependent on lighting, so you should definitely not kick yourself for not knowing what the actual color would be IRL.

However, in answer to your original question, this is a shifty dark grey spinel.

(Everything I say from here until the end of my post is just to help you learn about spinel colors & prices. And, to help you protect yourself from misrepresentations by sellers. I say this in kindness:)

If you paid a premium for a blue spinel, you should return this stone and keep looking for a blue spinel. This is not a blue spinel with a grey modifier. It is a grey spinel that shifts to show some blue sometimes.

As I'm sure you learned while looking for a blue spinel, blue spinels are typically more expensive than grey spinels because there are far fewer truly blue spinels. (Truly blue spinels are pricey.)

Fully gray spinels also typically cost more than shifty gray spinels, also due to rarity and current popularity.

This is all to say that while this stone is pretty, it is not what would be considered a blue spinel.

I wish you all the best on your hunt for the stone of your desires!
Hello. Thank you posting your opinions on this matter. As for liking it or not, currently as is, I am enjoying the spinel.
 
Yes to all of the above. Grey spinels are very popular right now & they are VERY shifty, color-wise. ;-) They very often display a wide variety of additional colors, dependent on lighting, so you should definitely not kick yourself for not knowing what the actual color would be IRL.

However, in answer to your original question, this is a shifty dark grey spinel.

(Everything I say from here until the end of my post is just to help you learn about spinel colors & prices. And, to help you protect yourself from misrepresentations by sellers. I say this in kindness:)

If you paid a premium for a blue spinel, you should return this stone and keep looking for a blue spinel. This is not a blue spinel with a grey modifier. It is a grey spinel that shifts to show some blue sometimes.

As I'm sure you learned while looking for a blue spinel, blue spinels are typically more expensive than grey spinels because there are far fewer truly blue spinels. (Truly blue spinels are pricey.)

Fully gray spinels also typically cost more than shifty gray spinels, also due to rarity and current popularity.

This is all to say that while this stone is pretty, it is not what would be considered a blue spinel.

I wish you all the best on your hunt for the stone of your desires!

This was also something I was wondering about. How much would you say a shifty gray spinel cost per ct.
 
Do you like the color and how it shifts? That's what really matters! The cut is a bigger concern for me here. I think the stone was chipped and kind of smoothed over without one of the points. If you like it, that's great, but I think a better solution would have been to recut the stone as a round, despite the carat loss.

I agree about the chip - that alone would turn me away from wanting it. Although, I like the blue - grey - purple colors.
 
This was also something I was wondering about. How much would you say a shifty gray spinel cost per ct.

That is a good question and I don't have the answer because I have not shopped for that color. But, from a quick glance at Mastercut Gems, it looks like spinels in colors similar in popularity are approximately in the $100 per carat range.
 
Bear in mind that today's "standards" are of little consequence compared to what you love. What I mean is beauty, appeal, and value are relatively subjective---it's worth what it is worth to you, if that makes sense. I hope this helps.
 
Bear in mind that today's "standards" are of little consequence compared to what you love. What I mean is beauty, appeal, and value are relatively subjective---it's worth what it is worth to you, if that makes sense. I hope this helps.

Thank you for your kind words. I did pay roughly that amount, so I think I am going to keep it, considering it has an interesting cut definitely eye clean, and also enjoy it being blue in the shade outside. It was just that putting it under the direct sunlight it didn’t give the desired color.
 
I agree about the chip - that alone would turn me away from wanting it. Although, I like the blue - grey - purple colors.

I mean when I look at the way the table was cut, overall, it appears like it was an intentional cut for the overall shape, though the rhombus shaped cut at the shortest side of it makes me feel there were other plans for this stone. Also, hello!
 
Thank you for your kind words. I did pay roughly that amount, so I think I am going to keep it, considering it has an interesting cut definitely eye clean, and also enjoy it being blue in the shade outside. It was just that putting it under the direct sunlight it didn’t give the desired color.

Excellent! I'm so pleased you enjoy the stone. I've found spinels & tourmalines can take a bit of time to get to know, so to speak. Each can have so many color variations in the stones---there are many moods to know & love.

What are your plans for this spinel? It would be lovely in a ring.
 
Excellent! I'm so pleased you enjoy the stone. I've found spinels & tourmalines can take a bit of time to get to know, so to speak. Each can have so many color variations in the stones---there are many moods to know & love.

What are your plans for this spinel? It would be lovely in a ring.

Yes, I do have some semblance of a plan for this spinel. Since it’s a trapezoid shape and I like toi et moi rings, I went window online shopping for a red spinel of the same shape. And found this for its potential partner: https://www.etsy.com/listing/533152359/natural-red-spinel-700x500-mm-vvs1?click_key=53366b927dc63dd52f619e85420069f75693a46a:533152359&click_sum=22220faf&ref=shop_home_active_55&pro=1&frs=1&sts=1
The reason why I was looking for a red one was because I had originally thought the spinel this thread is about was blue, and red would provide a good contrast to it. Another thing was that my mother was born is July and my father was born is September, so it would be a reference to them when I looked down at my hand (and to honor my younger sibling, have the ring metal be 18k yellow gold, since they want everything yellow, instead of my preference of platinum or white gold, because they like yellow so much). However, I am also entertaining the idea of using it like the base of those trophies, and put another gemstone (that is small) on top when having it set.
 
Thank you for your kind words. I did pay roughly that amount, so I think I am going to keep it, considering it has an interesting cut definitely eye clean, and also enjoy it being blue in the shade outside. It was just that putting it under the direct sunlight it didn’t give the desired color.

I really like it
id call it varying shades of air force blue (i guess that could depend on the colour of the uniform of the air force in your country ) but its probably my preferred colour blue to wear (or my preferred shade of grey i guess)

Will you set it ?
 
I really like it
id call it varying shades of air force blue (i guess that could depend on the colour of the uniform of the air force in your country ) but its probably my preferred colour blue to wear (or my preferred shade of grey i guess)

Will you set it ?

It’s is the current end goal. I want to get this spinel some potential companions before designing and getting it set into a ring.
 
Hello both of you! :wavey:Yah, that was the conclusion I had come up with but just wanted to confirm. The thing was I was kicking myself over how I didn’t figure out the color and saturation would turn out this way. For some reference, here is the colors I was expecting to see. This was what I was expecting.0F47753F-A7D6-4779-9122-353A03026A3B.jpeg This is a photo of a stone with the same product name as mine. And here is a photo of mine was from the seller.79639293-CF47-4513-9FBF-15961F22AC6A.jpeg So I’m kicking myself a bit for expecting a stone of a color similar to the first pic after finding the listing.
The thing is though that got me the most was the seller has reviews of people who have posted pictures of the stones they received, and they look quite similar, with similar saturation of colors, albeit a bit darker. This was the first spinel I have ever purchased, and wanted one that had decent color saturation despite the gray modifier that was inevitable in the price range I was willing to spend on (this is a 0.87 ct despite it being listed as 0.9, and the seller had also rounded up 1 of the measurements but ehh) . That was why I was trying to wrap my head around why the gray modifier on my spinel looked significantly more influential then the picture posted by the seller. And another thing, the seller never mentioned it was a color changing spinel, and I kind of doubt they know it’s a color changer, but they might have known and just not marked it up as I have seen others do.

Yours is nicer because it's less dark and more colourful.

It would make a great drop style pendant with both corners down and the no corner side completed by a small triangular diamond.

or a toi et moi ring
 
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Yes, I do have some semblance of a plan for this spinel. Since it’s a trapezoid shape and I like toi et moi rings, I went window online shopping for a red spinel of the same shape. And found this for its potential partner: https://www.etsy.com/listing/533152359/natural-red-spinel-700x500-mm-vvs1?click_key=53366b927dc63dd52f619e85420069f75693a46a:533152359&click_sum=22220faf&ref=shop_home_active_55&pro=1&frs=1&sts=1
The reason why I was looking for a red one was because I had originally thought the spinel this thread is about was blue, and red would provide a good contrast to it. Another thing was that my mother was born is July and my father was born is September, so it would be a reference to them when I looked down at my hand (and to honor my younger sibling, have the ring metal be 18k yellow gold, since they want everything yellow, instead of my preference of platinum or white gold, because they like yellow so much). However, I am also entertaining the idea of using it like the base of those trophies, and put another gemstone (that is small) on top when having it set.

I think it would look really good with a red spinel partner. Red would complement each color this stone displays---it would be a neat combination. And a ring would be lovely.
 
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