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movie zombie

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Yeah...I heard this on the news...
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that is insane.
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indebted servititude?! geez, i can''t imagine....talk about leaving debt for generations to come to deal with!

peace,movie zombie
 
Couldn''t read it. Are they offering 40 year terms now? If so, I don''t have a problem with it. A house will be there after 40 years. Used unwisely, I have more of a problem with IO loans. Again, one has the option as income grows to pay principle.

What I find appauling are the 7 year car loans. How many cars are going to be around and operating fine in 7 years?

Debt is debt. I don''t think one should be afraid of it if used responsibly. Some of the wealthiest people I know acquired assests taking on debt. Assets that became lucrative. Debt is a risk. But, few acquire wealth without taking risks.

The bottom line is to be aware of your risk & limit it.
 
calculating out what the cost of a home is over 40 years of payments lead the author to conclude that perhaps these people shouldnt be buying a home....and did not suggest the IO form of homeownership. the payment wasn''t that much lower than a 30 year and certainly did not have anywhere near the amount of principal paid at year 10. anyone remember 20 year fixed rate loans?



peace, movie zombie
 
Date: 8/27/2005 2:24:41 PM
Author: movie zombie
calculating out what the cost of a home is over 40 years of payments lead the author to conclude that perhaps these people shouldnt be buying a home....and did not suggest the IO form of homeownership. the payment wasn''t that much lower than a 30 year and certainly did not have anywhere near the amount of principal paid at year 10. anyone remember 20 year fixed rate loans?



peace, movie zombie
that created the housing bubble.
 
Date: 8/27/2005 2:24:41 PM
Author: movie zombie
the payment wasn''t that much lower than a 30 year and certainly did not have anywhere near the amount of principal paid at year 10. anyone remember 20 year fixed rate loans?



peace, movie zombie
As I said, I couldn''t bring the article up. It came up gibberish on my computer challanged brain.

Then, it doesn''t make sense if the payment isn''t much lower - then from this it would seem like the interest rate awarded would be higher. Our 15 year loan payment isn''t relatively much more than our old 30 year. One reason is the lower interest rates offered.

They still offer 20 year at a reduced interest rate than 30. And, the same for our 15 year. The interest rate was lower than a conv. 30. But, rarely can someone who is purchasing their first home afford the payments at those terms. I know we couldn''t and our first house was under 70K (interest rates were in double digits at the time).

We had the 30 year in 1984. Were those recently introduced? Perhaps because interest rates were so high?

But, I still maintain that having debt is not irresponsible when handled correctly. Taking on too much debt & not paying the debt is.
 
I think F&I is right. DF seems obsessed with the "housing bubble".
 
Date: 8/27/2005 12:38:06 AM
Author: Dancing Fire


Date: 8/26/2005 10:51:30 PM
Author:movie zombie
good grief, what will they think of next?!

http://edit.store.yahoo.com/lib/realityzone/UFN40yrhomeloans.mht

peace, movie zombie
75 yr loans
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..... people will have a mortgage to pay, even after they die.

ah, this is ridiculous. A person can die at ANY time and leave a debt hanging there. Having a 15-year mortgage can still screw a person over especially if the spouse of a passing person cannot pay the mortgage if the other partner dies!

Really, I think it's okay to take a bit of risk if this means purchasing your own quality home. I see a MUCH bigger risk in purchasing a poorly constructed home like the ones that have been popping up everywhere around my region. Homes that fall apart before your mortgage is paid off!
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Date: 8/27/2005 7:13:00 PM
Author: Momoftwo
I think F&I is right. DF seems obsessed with the ''housing bubble''.
not obsessed.just a reality.
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for F&I:

High home prices pushes more buyers to 40-yr loans
Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:30 PM ET
By Julie Haviv
NEW YORK, Aug 22 (Reuters) - Sky-high prices are not preventing cash-strapped consumers from getting the house of their dreams now that lenders are letting them drag out the term of their mortgages to 40 years.

By moving from a fixed-rate 30-year to a 40-year loan, borrowers can stretch out loan payments and qualify for larger mortgages with lower payments.


While that seems to be good news for consumers, financial experts say the benefits are far outweighed by higher interest rates, 10 years of extra mortgage payments and a reduction in home equity.


"This (40-year) loan product screams of a budget-constrained consumer desperate to get into a home," said Gary Schatsky, a fee-only financial adviser/attorney. "This trend is disturbing to me, especially since it feeds into the growing obsession by consumers to get credit.


"They need to think through this mortgage''s implications because in many cases, it will become their children''s mortgage," said Schatsky, who is based in New York.


Incessant home price appreciation over the past few years has left some consumers with little choice but to seek riskier type loans, such as 40-year loans and interest-only loans.


The 40-year mortgage is more attractive than interest-only loans because borrowers build equity in their homes, albeit at a sluggish pace, and they are not vulnerable to rising interest rates, said Celia Chen, director of housing economics at Economy.com, a consulting firm.


The 40-year fixed-rate mortgage was created in the late 1980s by several California savings and loan associations.


With house prices soaring, there has been an uptick in demand over the past year for the loans, according to several lenders.


Lenders'' interest in offering 40-year loans may grow, since as of June, they can sell certain 40-year fixed-rate loans to Fannie Mae (FNM.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the nation''s largest mortgage finance company.


Thirty- and 15-year fixed-rate mortgages comprise about 70 percent of the market, with adjustable rate mortgages accounting for nearly all the rest, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, an industry trade group. The MBA does not track 40-year loan applications. PROS AND CONS


Real estate brokers and lenders say consumers are being resourceful in taking out 40-year loans when double-digit home price appreciation has become the norm.


"Most borrowers do not plan to live in the house for 30 years, so a longer term is of no consequence," said Diane Saatchi, senior vice president with the The Corcoran Group, a major residential real estate firm.


"They figure to sell in about seven years; having 23 or 33 years left on the term is inconsequential," she said.


But 40-year loans have their critics, like Schatsky, who does not recommend them to to his clients unless they are severely cash-strapped or have a clear sense of future income streams.


Another research group, Bankrate.com, notes that interest rates on 40-year mortgages are generally 0.25 to 0.50 percentage point higher than on traditional fixed 30-year loans. That difference negates some of the benefits of the lower monthly payment.


Even with the same rate as on a 30-year loan, the 40-year loan''s savings appear negligible.


For example, a $200,000 mortgage financed for 30 years at a fixed rate of 5.75 percent would carry a monthly payment of $1,167.15, Bankrate.com said.


By stretching the loan term an additional 10 years, borrowers, even at an identical interest rate, reduce their monthly payment by just over $100, to $1,065.78. However, the borrower also would have $16,389 less in equity at the end of the first decade of payments and would have paid an extra $4,200 in interest.


"This all stems from affordability and borrowers stretching themselves beyond their reach to get into a home they can''t afford," said Economy.com''s Chen. "What''s next, a 50-year loan?"


Recent anecdotal evidence indicates that home price increases are beginning to decelerate, a sign the housing sector is starting to cool.


"When housing cools, so will these loans," said Schatsky. "If a consumer has to take out this loan to qualify for a home, their goal of homeownership needs to be seriously reevaluated."


© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.




 
i don''t think its wrong to take a bit of a risk but signing up for a 40-year loan is too much risk for me....feels like indentured servitude.

peace, movie zombie
 
Do you all realize that prior to about WWII there was no such thing as a 30-year mortgage? I'm seeing such fear and negativity from some who think nothing of spending $10-$15K on a diamond but are terrified of borrowing for anything else. I've never been afraid of a mortgage and we've always been able to pay our debts and build wealth even when the market sucked. How about a little positive outlook on life? The length of a mortgage doesn't really matter as long as you can make the payments. Money is just a tool. Don't let it control your life.

Have you ever heard the saying "don't sweat the small stuff" and "it's all small stuff". In the grand scheme of things, it's all small.
 
Date: 8/27/2005 10:25:55 PM
Author: Momoftwo
Do you all realize that prior to about WWII there was no such thing as a 30-year mortgage? I'm seeing such fear and negativity from some who think nothing of spending $10-$15K on a diamond but are terrified of borrowing for anything else. I've never been afraid of a mortgage and we've always been able to pay our debts and build wealth even when the market sucked. How about a little positive outlook on life? The length of a mortgage doesn't really matter as long as you can make the payments. Money is just a tool. Don't let it control your life.

Have you ever heard the saying 'don't sweat the small stuff' and 'it's all small stuff'. In the grand scheme of things, it's all small.
but... most people don't go to the bank and borrow money to buy a diamond.

positive look on life?....i hope the nasdaq market hits 5000 again in 3 yrs but,i know that ain't gonna to happen.i just try to be realistic.
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yes, prior to the depression many things were different....that''s why regulation was implemented. its not until after WWII and the GI bill that homeownership becomes available to ''the masses'' and the health of the economy is stated as ''new home starts''.

however, it is all a matter of priorities. i would not borrow $$$$ to buy any stone or jewelry. i don''t fear debt but i don''t want debt controlling me either. there is no way i''d go a 40-year loan. i feel the way about them that DF feels about IO''s. being in debt for the extra 10 years on a mortgage is something that i on a personal basis am not willing to do....especially in this economy.

those lucky enough to not be effected by a global depression just might have an opportunity to pick up real estate at bargain prices. good luck!

peace, movie zombie
 
Well, there are plenty of us who have owned homes for the last 20+ years and have managed to "survive" all the way through all kinds of markets. My first home ws bought with a 15 1/2% mortgage and it didn't destroy us. Our second was bought just before a dip in prices and we still ended up selling for more than we bought 8 years later. How have we all done it if it's such a risky thing to do? We're now in our dream home with a 30 year 10/1 ARM and we currently have 40+% equity which is from owning and moving up. We certainly couldn't have saved that much renting over the years. Rents usually aren't that much lower than mortgages and you have nothing to show. I just see so much fear in both your posts that you are trying to spread for some reason. It's still our homes we're talking about and if you had your way, everyone would rent til they could put down a huge amount. In that scenario, our economy would be very slow and you'd be complaining about that. BTW, you are letting debt control you with the statements I have seen posted. There are different ways to let things control your life. Worry is one of them.
 
Date: 8/28/2005 8:34:48 AM
Author: Momoftwo
I just see so much fear in both your posts that you are trying to spread for some reason.
Precisely. It''s a dangerous chicken little type thought process. It''s not that I don''t understand y''alls point. It''s valid. But, these kinds of asset bubbles are history & we have all survived it. Some areas will be more affected than others. The market is hot in my two regions; but, not overheated. I''m not concerned.

On the flip side of the argument - I''m always feelin the love for our homes. Before buying in our second neighborhood, we rented. It SUCKED even though we weren''t the one''s paying the rent. Every time we brought the $650.00 check to the office - I thought what a waste. And, I felt like a stranger in my "own" home. Currently, our mortage (P&I) is less than that. We can write off the interest, taxes, etc, & pay around 150.00 in principal. - not to mention hanging pictures at will, painting my favorite colors & doing things to ADD value to OUR house.

Interents rates are at an historic low - that''s what driving the housing market. It makes sense to try to lock into a low rate. In the 80''s we were paying something like 13%. In our 15 year, our interest rate is something in the 4%. I make more than 4% in secured CD''s. As long as one looks to the long term, the lower interest rate could offset much devaluation - if such thing were to happen. You just stay in YOUR home and ride it out.

As someone who survived the savings and loan debacle, I don''t see this current situation as some chicken little future.

That said, a $100.00 less monthly payment for an extended 10 year loan makes no sense. Unless the fanny mae change makes a difference, it doesn''t seem that there are many takers of this loan. The term wouldn''t bother me - the wisdom of it financially would.

Thanks for posting the article - it was an interesting read.
 
Date: 8/28/2005 8:34:48 AM
Author: Momoftwo
......... I just see so much fear in both your posts that you are trying to spread for some reason. It''s still our homes we''re talking about and if you had your way, everyone would rent til they could put down a huge amount. In that scenario, our economy would be very slow and you''d be complaining about that. BTW, you are letting debt control you with the statements I have seen posted. There are different ways to let things control your life. Worry is one of them.

gotta love it, DF! you and i have been lumped together as fear mongers! we can''t agree on politics but our economics seem to be in sync.

Momoftwo, what you describe as fear i thought was a post giving information and inviting discussion. having information to make decisions and stating that i would not do a 40-year loan does not mean i am promoting fear....that''s your judgement, not fact. yes, worry can control one''s life and, fortunately, i''m pretty worry free financially and otherwise. as you stated, our economy would be very slow and therein lies the problem as many economists are stating that the current real estate market is not the basis for a healthy economy. yes, let''s have a positive outlook: let''s agree that each and everyone of us not make accusations when someone says that a 40-year mortgage is not for them.

F&I, glad you found the article interesting. that''s why i posted it. i found it amazing that it was only $100 difference between the monthly payment for a 30-year v. 40-year mortgage. the financial wisdom of taking the 40-year could very well depend on whether one cares if the mortgage is paid off. i can see where some wouldn''t care as in many instances it would be cheaper than rent and allow the buyer the ability to paint, garden, etc. in the manner they couldn''t if in a rental. for instance, an unmarried person of 45 with no children might not care if the loan isn''t paid off until s/he is 85 or ever at all. and in thinking about it, most renters are ''making the payment'' for the ''owner'' of the rental. many rental properties are not yet paid off and dependent upon the renter''s payment to make the mortgage. in the 40-year mortgage scenario, the buyer would be making the payment for the bank....which was one of the points in article.

many will survive by just what F&I said: hunkering down in a home one loves and enjoys and riding it out. those that bought in neighborhoods they don''t like or enjoy, a home they only bought until they could trade up, etc. won''t be so lucky. if posting such articles gets me described as not being positive and/or promoting fear, then so be it.

peace, movie zombie
 
Date: 8/28/2005 10:14:25 AM
Author: fire&ice

Date: 8/28/2005 8:34:48 AM
Author: Momoftwo
I just see so much fear in both your posts that you are trying to spread for some reason.
Interents rates are at an historic low - that''s what driving the housing market. It makes sense to try to lock into a low rate. In the 80''s we were paying something like 13%. In our 15 year, our interest rate is something in the 4%. I make more than 4% in secured CD''s. As long as one looks to the long term, the lower interest rate could offset much devaluation - if such thing were to happen. You just stay in YOUR home and ride it out.
that''s my point.with fixed rates still near historic low,why would anybody want to do a IO loan?
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basicly they''re betting that when the IO period expires in 3-5 yrs,the fix rates would be lower then todays rate. the odds for that to happen would be slim and none. JMO
 
Date: 8/28/2005 5:50:53 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 8/28/2005 8:34:48 AM
Author: Momoftwo
......... I just see so much fear in both your posts that you are trying to spread for some reason. It''s still our homes we''re talking about and if you had your way, everyone would rent til they could put down a huge amount. In that scenario, our economy would be very slow and you''d be complaining about that. BTW, you are letting debt control you with the statements I have seen posted. There are different ways to let things control your life. Worry is one of them.
gotta love it, DF! you and i have been lumped together as fear mongers! we can''t agree on politics but our economics seem to be in sync.

peace, movie zombie
MZ
i have no fear.
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FDR said....the only thing we have to fear is fear itself !!!
 
Date: 8/29/2005 6:42:47 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
that''s my point.with fixed rates still near historic low,why would anybody want to do a IO loan?
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basicly they''re betting that when the IO period expires in 3-5 yrs,the fix rates would be lower then todays rate. the odds for that to happen would be slim and none. JMO

DF, for reasons I don''t understand, you just cannot seem to see beyond interest rates, etc.

You presume that the only reason folks would take an I/O loan is hoping that rates go down. That''s ridiculous. Of course the odds for that to happen are slim to none. But that''s NOT the point.

Why would anybody want to do a I/O loan? Because they consider the place they are buying as a "temporary" solution. It''s a way to get into the market and stop paying rent, with the HOPE of building equity that will let them accumulate a down-payment. They are more concerned with reasonable payments than with equity.

There is a purpose for everything; different homeowners have different goals and different needs, and that''s why loans vary....one size does not fit all.
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Date: 8/30/2005 1:42:12 PM
Author: aljdewey




Date: 8/29/2005 6:42:47 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
that''s my point.with fixed rates still near historic low,why would anybody want to do a IO loan?
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basicly they''re betting that when the IO period expires in 3-5 yrs,the fix rates would be lower then todays rate. the odds for that to happen would be slim and none. JMO

DF, for reasons I don''t understand, you just cannot seem to see beyond interest rates, etc.

You presume that the only reason folks would take an I/O loan is hoping that rates go down. That''s ridiculous. Of course the odds for that to happen are slim to none. But that''s NOT the point.

Why would anybody want to do a I/O loan? Because they consider the place they are buying as a ''temporary'' solution. It''s a way to get into the market and stop paying rent, with the HOPE of building equity that will let them accumulate a down-payment. They are more concerned with reasonable payments than with equity.

There is a purpose for everything; different homeowners have different goals and different needs, and that''s why loans vary....one size does not fit all.
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i think it''s better if your home don''t accumulate any equity in this temporary home. don''t forget, while your home is going up, so are the ones that you''ll eventually upgrade to. so it''s not really good news even if you''re building equity,if the prices of home keep going up.it would be better for the bubble to burst so couples can buy a bigger home at a cheaper price.i know we will never agree on this subject.
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