5 carat ruby opinions.

[guilhermeesq]

it measures 12mm by 10mm, its about 5 estimated of course.

treatment is undetermined. the last 2 pictures have an interesting inclusion that i notice , looks almost like silk .

Fees would be about 250 to get a colored stone report that is holding me back for now.

just wondering what you think of the stones looks. and anything you might know about the mystery inclusions in the last 2 photos


Thankyou in advance for viewing and posting replys!!!

 

[guilhermeesq]

the last 2 photos in this set show the inclusion best.

The first few photos , the table has a smudge from my finger i apologize in advance

 

[Lady_Disdain]

treatment is undetermined. the last 2 pictures have an interesting inclusion that i notice , looks almost like silk .

Fees would be about 250 to get a colored stone report that is holding me back for now.

If you are talking about a 5ct ruby, $250 should be irrelevant compared to the total price, unless it is a heavily treated stone.

 

[minousbijoux]

You showed us this same ring what, about six months ago, right? I don't know what to tell you about the value because we don't know the treatment level or provenance. I can tell you it looks big! I can also say it looks dark with a fair amount of extinction. This is by no means a top quality ruby, but if has not been treated or only been minimally treated, it still could be worth something. In your last thread, you said you were going to send it in for a report - go for it! Send it to AGL and they won't even need to take it out of the mounting.

 

[Edward Bristol]

Looks like garnet to me.

 

[SB621]

Looks like garnet to me.

was going to say spinel. Too much purple. I would be surprised if this were a ruby.

 

[guilhermeesq]

Have had it tested by an independent g.i.a. gemologist

I went in for an appraisal, she said she could not appraise because she could not tell the level of treatment undergone.
she recommended to get a lab report done on the stone before she can appraise accurately.


She was certain it was ruby

 

[soberguy]

If you have already taken it to a gemologist who told you to send it to a lab, why are you asking us about price? Odd threads on here recently in regards to pricing... I'm not certain anyone here is a reputable appraiser...

 

[guilhermeesq]

i dont remember asking for price.

```just wondering what you think of the stones looks. and anything you might know about the mystery inclusions in the last 2 photos ``

see , i just asked what you all thought of the looks, and anything you would note about the mysterious inclusions

 

[guilhermeesq]

Looks like garnet to me.

Mr. Bristol , Do you think the color would make this a purple sapphire if it were indeed corundum

Looks like garnet to me.

was going to say spinel. Too much purple. I would be surprised if this were a ruby.

Same question SB621 and Thankyou Mr bristol and SB621 for giving me your time. I greatly appreciate it

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

This color stone looks like a rubilite tourmaline or a pink sapphire. I would not think the color so much ruby, but then again ruby can have a purplish color to it. What carat gold is the ring? Sometimes that can be an indication of value.

I did guess a value on the blue shapphire shown recently, but I couldn't do the same here. He knew what he had and what he paid for it, so I guessed. You have no idea what you have. Did the appraiser tell you if she thought it was a good enough quality to send it in to a lab? its hard to tell from the picture.


Annette

 

[guilhermeesq]

14k gold 15 grams. she said it would be worthwhile to send it in.

when i told her it was sold to me as a ruby she was very suspicious,
then she did a few quick tests and said indeed it was a ruby. but the treatment cannot be determined from her


I have been to several jewelery stores and few have said that looks like a pink tourmaline
or rubellite, but they did not even loupe the stone ! but this appraiser said it was a ruby after she did a few tests.
she looked at the stone an additional half hour to look for treatments . she was very kind and did not charge me because she could not complete an appraisal

 

[SB621]

How was your appraiser certain it was a ruby? From personal experience I have taken my gemstones to several GIA appraiser and they both said the same thing- they can't comment on it without a lab report. I remember when I first got my emerald the appraiser said I had either a really great snthetic emerald or a pretty good oiled one. big help there....

Your ruby could be BE treated or any number of treatments which affect value etc. Personally I would worry less about inclusions and more about IDing your colored stone and finding out about treatment. If you like the ring and plan on keeping it regardless they don't bother with the report and appreciate the ring for what it is. Regardless I will stand by my assessment (which is by far less experienced then others here,) and say this is not a ruby. The fact that Ed Bristol also said it (who is an expert in rubies) would really make me question what it actually is.

EDIT: when you say she did a test do you mean something like a refractive index? I'm going off numbers when I bought my ruby but isn't it something like 1.7 (which is closest to a rhodlite garnet-also around 1.7....help me out here experts it has been awhile).

Did your GIA person actually specialize in colored gemstones?

 

[guilhermeesq]

look i dont know the tests . but i remember she put a sort of liquid on my stone and put it on this small device which she looked into
then she rubbed this orangey liquid off my stone. she looked at it with a very high powered device as well like a microscope looking thing.


She was certain it was a ruby , but not of any treatments. she is G.I.A graduate Kimberly Jewelry Appraisal Kingston Ontario Canada



could it be a purple sapphire if she was certain it was corundum



Edit : no she did no specialize in colored gemstones very good question

 

[SB621]

And finally an appraiser can't look for treatments. It needs to be sent to a lab. There is no way she could have told you if it was treated or not.

Read the section on treatments. LD did a very good write up. [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/new-to-coloured-gemstone-buying-read-this-first.174284/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/new-to-coloured-gemstone-buying-read-this-first.174284/[/URL]

 

[guilhermeesq]

I have read that many times, I have read all of Edward Bristol`s works even his non gemstone works!
I am very familiar with richard hughes ruby and sapphire. I am not an expert but I am not new here and have posted this ring before
Anything that is on the web about rubies and sapphires i have read already

 

[minousbijoux]

I have read that many times, I have read all of Edward Bristol`s works even his non gemstone works!
I am very familiar with richard hughes ruby and sapphire. I am not an expert but I am not new here and have posted this ring before
Anything that is on the web about rubies and sapphires i have read already

Then why are you posting it again? Why come back here and ask the same questions you asked before? What are you hoping to accomplish? When the conclusion reached is that it needs to go to the lab for verification, then send it to the lab! It does not look like a ruby, and if it is a ruby, it is a poor quality one at best imo. It sounds like the jeweler's test used a refractometer. If that is the case, then SB has a good point that if read wrong, it could easily be confused for other materials. Good luck!

 

[guilhermeesq]

minousbijoux sorry but i am asking for Edward Bristols response , as he is the leading authority and celebrity to me
I could not believe he posted in my topic !

thanks for trying minousbijoux keep at it!

Even if you dont post again Mr Edward Bristol YOU ARE THE BEST

 

[AN0NYM0US]

minousbijoux sorry but i am asking for Edward Bristols response , as he is the leading authority and celebrity to me
I could not believe he posted in my topic !

thanks for trying minousbijoux keep at it!

Even if you dont post again Mr Edward Bristol YOU ARE THE BEST

If you only want Edward Bristol's opinion why are asking questions on a public forum. Just send him an email and quit wasting people's time. You received good advice here. You should appreciate it.

 

[minousbijoux]

minousbijoux sorry but i am asking for Edward Bristols response , as he is the leading authority and celebrity to me
I could not believe he posted in my topic !

thanks for trying minousbijoux keep at it!

Even if you dont post again Mr Edward Bristol YOU ARE THE BEST

Okay! Will do!

There is another website you may want to look into, as Richard Hughes, Ed Bristol, Vincent Pardieu, Christopher Smith, Roger Dery, Lisa Elser and others are frequent contributors. Look for a site that has the word "Gemology" in the title (we are not allowed to provide direct links otherwise I would).

 

[guilhermeesq]

i dont believe i said anything mean or criticizing anybodys opinions

what gives you the impression that i am ungrateful


I said thankyou with exclamation points added for additional gratefullness points.....

 

[minousbijoux]

i dont believe i said anything mean or criticizing anybodys opinions

what gives you the impression that i am ungrateful


I said thankyou with exclamation points added for additional gratefullness points.....

I don't think you're ungrateful at all, guilhermesq. When I find out that people are interested in learning about stones or that they like certain experts, then I point them in the direction of the other website that I think they would find helpful; there was no other significance other than that! I thought you'd be pleased to know that there was place where you could be having direct convos with some of your heros often.

 

[guilhermeesq]

that was aimed at anonymous , bijoux i have no problem with your attitude in fact I enjoy your replies

 

[guilhermeesq]

Edward Bristol , you are basically the reason i am into colored stones. I love your stories from abroad as well. The one that struck a chord most with me is the young boy who had the very large rough sapphire and the alcoholic father... You did the best thing in that situation . It must be a daily test for you , walking a fine line where one step can lead down the road of greed. you seem to walk that line with a certain deep understanding and karmic knowledge.

The stones you sell would reflect this karma and would leak positivity into the new gem owner

I literally read all of your articles twice over and to get you of all people, the man i look up to most in the colored stone industry , posting in my topic i am literally taken away and thankyou so much Mr. Bristol

 

[Edward Bristol]

Hey Guilhermeesq,

Sorry if I sounded harsh with my quick it-is-garnet post.

I really can't say from an image but after years one gets this gut feeling of instant recognition (with me it is right in 3 out of 5 times perhaps).

But even old-time pros get it wrong, even when they have the stone in hand and have to put money on the table. I remember one of my respected mentors (in the trade for 40 years) coming back from Burma in 2005 or so, with $$$ signs in his eyes and a neon red ruby of near 6 carat in hand.

He had bought it in the jungle and paid a good deal of cash - bum - synthetic!