Above 2 ct vs. D in Color. Please advise

[qzomak]

Hi everyone,
I am in the process of looking into two possible Oval loose.

First one: 1.65 ct, D Color, IS1

Second one: 2.01 ct, H Color, IS1

assuming both are excellent cut,GIA certified

I am just wondering which is worth perusing color of weight, which is more rare D color or above two ct.
People always said you can sacrifice a little clarity over something you can actually see, but size and color are both noticeable aspects of a diamond. Oh did i mention they are Ovals. Please help!

Thanks

 

[alma123]

I'm certainly not an expert, but if you want colorless, you may not want to go lower than F. Ovals are less forgiving than rounds and color can start to show in the edges if you go lower in color.

Have you seen the rings in person? Does a small tint of color bother you? I personally think a D oval would be beautiful!

 

[qzomak]

I'm certainly not an expert, but if you want colorless, you may not want to go lower than F. Ovals are less forgiving than rounds and color can start to show in the edges if you go lower in color.

Have you seen the rings in person? Does a small tint of color bother you? I personally think a D oval would be beautiful!

Hi there, Thanks for your input. I have arranged to see the stones in person sometimes next week. I have seem a H F D stone side by side of round and cushions, but not a oval. It seems like ovals are hard to come by, which makes me more interested for some reason.

I guess a small tint of color doesn't bother me as long as you have nothing to compare it to. My dilemma is largely on Size vs. Color which will have a bigger impact?

 

[04diamond<3]

I'm certainly not an expert, but if you want colorless, you may not want to go lower than F. Ovals are less forgiving than rounds and color can start to show in the edges if you go lower in color.

Have you seen the rings in person? Does a small tint of color bother you? I personally think a D oval would be beautiful!

Hi there, Thanks for your input. I have arranged to see the stones in person sometimes next week. I have seem a H F D stone side by side of round and cushions, but not a oval. It seems like ovals are hard to come by, which makes me more interested for some reason.

I guess a small tint of color doesn't bother me as long as you have nothing to compare it to. My dilemma is largely on Size vs. Color which will have a bigger impact?

Well, it depends on what's more important...does size matter? Because a 1.65 compared to a 2.01 carat will be a noticeable difference. Personally, H is still close enough to colorless that I would pick that one.

 

[Niel]

Hi everyone,
I am in the process of looking into two possible Oval loose.

First one: 1.65 ct, D Color, IS1

Second one: 2.01 ct, H Color, IS1

assuming both are excellent cut,GIA certified

I am just wondering which is worth perusing color of weight, which is more rare D color or above two ct.
People always said you can sacrifice a little clarity over something you can actually see, but size and color are both noticeable aspects of a diamond. Oh did i mention they are Ovals. Please help!

Thanks

I vote d. An oval looks larger anyways and to be honest my pear is an h and with thay faceting i do see color in some lights. It doesnt bother me but if you want to avoid absolutly any tint than i wouldnt go below a g

 

[pandabee]

I'm certainly not an expert, but if you want colorless, you may not want to go lower than F. Ovals are less forgiving than rounds and color can start to show in the edges if you go lower in color.

Have you seen the rings in person? Does a small tint of color bother you? I personally think a D oval would be beautiful!

Hi there, Thanks for your input. I have arranged to see the stones in person sometimes next week. I have seem a H F D stone side by side of round and cushions, but not a oval. It seems like ovals are hard to come by, which makes me more interested for some reason.

I guess a small tint of color doesn't bother me as long as you have nothing to compare it to. My dilemma is largely on Size vs. Color which will have a bigger impact?

Well, it depends on what's more important...does size matter? Because a 1.65 compared to a 2.01 carat will be a noticeable difference. Personally, H is still close enough to colorless that I would pick that one.

This. Also, ovals are much trickier in terms of getting one that sparkles well because the cuts vary quite a bit. Do you have any pictures of them? You don't want there to be a "bow tie" or dark area across the middle of the stone. Even if both are excellent cut, I don't think that is a guarantee in fancy shapes such as ovals of a well-performing stone.

 

[Niel]

All things equal id pic the d but true the bowtie is probably the most important thing to concern yourself. Color second

 

[plummiecat]

If the stones are equally nice and the difference is only color, then I would pick a D over an H. I would much rather have a smaller colorless stone than an H.

 

[Christina...]

GIA doesn't grade cut for fancy shapes, so if a vendor is telling you that this stone is an excellent, please be aware that it is his opinion only. Can you get ASET images of the stone? That would determine for me which is the better choice. A D color is great and all, but if there is a significant amount of leakage then the stone is going to look 'dead' no matter the color kwim? I'd much rather have a bright and lively H than a dull D.

 

[Enerchi]

GIA doesn't grade cut for fancy shapes, so if a vendor is telling you that this stone is an excellent, please be aware that it is his opinion only. Can you get ASET images of the stone? That would determine for me which is the better choice. A D color is great and all, but if there is a significant amount of leakage then the stone is going to look 'dead' no matter the color kwim? I'd much rather have a bright and lively H than a dull D.

Ditto to Christina's post.

I'd prefer the one that is better cut as my first criteria. I'm good w warm stones so for me, the D would not be my choice. I'd look at performance as the main factor.

 

[qzomak]

Thanks for all the input. faint or absence of a bow tie is important to me and sparkle/cut performance is on the top of my list. I am planning to view the stones in person next week i will have more details on them afterwards and i will try to get some realistic picture for PC and everyone to take a look.

But right now i am just wondering which is more rare? D color or 2ct in size?

 

[Christina...]

Thanks for all the input. faint or absence of a bow tie is important to me and sparkle/cut performance is on the top of my list. I am planning to view the stones in person next week i will have more details on them afterwards and i will try to get some realistic picture for PC and everyone to take a look.

But right now i am just wondering which is more rare? D color or 2ct in size?

From simply a rarity aspect, I'm guessing that the D color is more rare than a 2 ct stone. But that's just a guess, I've never actually researched it. But again, a beautiful stone is much more appealing that a rare stone in my opinion.

 

[blingbunny10]

qzomak - Have you seen in person to know you will be ok with I1? Personally, I would up the clarity to SI level, then see what I could do with color and size. Also, D vs H is a big difference! I don't think there is any reason to get a D over an E, which would be cheaper.... If you are open to looking at other stones, I'd say look for an F or G. I start seeing color at F and personally would not want to go below G, esp. in a bigger size.

 

[Christina...]

qzomak - Have you seen in person to know you will be ok with I1? Personally, I would up the clarity to SI level, then see what I could do with color and size. Also, D vs H is a big difference! I don't think there is any reason to get a D over an E, which would be cheaper.... If you are open to looking at other stones, I'd say look for an F or G. I start seeing color at F and personally would not want to go below G, esp. in a bigger size.

He listed them as IS1 but I think he actually meant SI1, however you're right that it should be confirmed that it is in fact SI1 and not an I1!

 

[Niel]

Thanks for all the input. faint or absence of a bow tie is important to me and sparkle/cut performance is on the top of my list. I am planning to view the stones in person next week i will have more details on them afterwards and i will try to get some realistic picture for PC and everyone to take a look.

But right now i am just wondering which is more rare? D color or 2ct in size?

I think listening to some GOG videos on youtube ive heard him say that D's with good clarity are rare, so i would imaging in general they probably are.... but this is definitely not scientific

Again though, sense your smart and know you want it to perform and have minimal bowtie, if everything else is the same, i would probably pick the d. But then again.... there are so many variable. They could be two different shapes of ovals, one you like one you dont. One that makes the H face up a LOT larger than the D, or the way they are cut the D might not look THAT much smaller... I think really its impossible to decide without seeing them

 

[qzomak]

qzomak - Have you seen in person to know you will be ok with I1? Personally, I would up the clarity to SI level, then see what I could do with color and size. Also, D vs H is a big difference! I don't think there is any reason to get a D over an E, which would be cheaper.... If you are open to looking at other stones, I'd say look for an F or G. I start seeing color at F and personally would not want to go below G, esp. in a bigger size.

My apologies for miss informing. The stones are both SI1 in clarity

 

[qzomak]

Thanks for all the input. faint or absence of a bow tie is important to me and sparkle/cut performance is on the top of my list. I am planning to view the stones in person next week i will have more details on them afterwards and i will try to get some realistic picture for PC and everyone to take a look.

But right now i am just wondering which is more rare? D color or 2ct in size?

I think listening to some GOG videos on youtube ive heard him say that D's with good clarity are rare, so i would imaging in general they probably are.... but this is definitely not scientific

Again though, sense your smart and know you want it to perform and have minimal bowtie, if everything else is the same, i would probably pick the d. But then again.... there are so many variable. They could be two different shapes of ovals, one you like one you dont. One that makes the H face up a LOT larger than the D, or the way they are cut the D might not look THAT much smaller... I think really its impossible to decide without seeing them

Nielseel, you are totally right. I am very much looking forward to seeing them in person next week. I will sure more info and pictures a soon as I can. Honestly i secretly hope the D color stone looks almost as big as the 2ct one

 

[Niel]

Thanks for all the input. faint or absence of a bow tie is important to me and sparkle/cut performance is on the top of my list. I am planning to view the stones in person next week i will have more details on them afterwards and i will try to get some realistic picture for PC and everyone to take a look.

But right now i am just wondering which is more rare? D color or 2ct in size?

I think listening to some GOG videos on youtube ive heard him say that D's with good clarity are rare, so i would imaging in general they probably are.... but this is definitely not scientific

Again though, sense your smart and know you want it to perform and have minimal bowtie, if everything else is the same, i would probably pick the d. But then again.... there are so many variable. They could be two different shapes of ovals, one you like one you dont. One that makes the H face up a LOT larger than the D, or the way they are cut the D might not look THAT much smaller... I think really its impossible to decide without seeing them

Nielseel, you are totally right. I am very much looking forward to seeing them in person next week. I will sure more info and pictures a soon as I can. Honestly i secretly hope the D color stone looks almost as big as the 2ct one

Me too!!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I will say that 2 stones is a very, very small selection. There are a lot of colors between D and H, too. E, F and G are certainly great for ovals. Don't limit yourself to these two unless one is absolutely outstanding. There are a lot more out there to choose from! I'd prefer larger than 1.6 but I'd be fine with F or G color.

 

[qzomak]

I will say that 2 stones is a very, very small selection. There are a lot of colors between D and H, too. E, F and G are certainly great for ovals. Don't limit yourself to these two unless one is absolutely outstanding. There are a lot more out there to choose from! I'd prefer larger than 1.6 but I'd be fine with F or G color.

Hi there, I have looked at a few different stone and have narrowed it down to these two, they are in my price range and meets some of the criteria i set out. Plus Ovals are had to come by for some reason, i don't see tone of options out there like the other facy cuts.

 

[Niel]

I will say that 2 stones is a very, very small selection. There are a lot of colors between D and H, too. E, F and G are certainly great for ovals. Don't limit yourself to these two unless one is absolutely outstanding. There are a lot more out there to choose from! I'd prefer larger than 1.6 but I'd be fine with F or G color.

isnt that the same thing as Good old gold does. find you a few good stones in your range and then you pick from those?

 

[echomomm]

IMO, a D vs an H is a pretty big jump. Why not get an F or G in there to compare? You could probably go slightly lower in colour and go somewhere in between on size and find a happy medium. Unless this is a time-sensitive matter, I would find something in the middle ground before deciding.

That said, I have to agree about how the stones perform. I'd take a high-performing H over a poor performing D any day. And honestly, colours down to an I don't bother me much, so personally I'd take size over colour in these two if all other aspects were equal.

 

[Niel]

IMO, a D vs an H is a pretty big jump. Why not get an F or G in there to compare? You could probably go slightly lower in colour and go somewhere in between on size and find a happy medium. Unless this is a time-sensitive matter, I would find something in the middle ground before deciding.

That said, I have to agree about how the stones perform. I'd take a high-performing H over a poor performing D any day. And honestly, colours down to an I don't bother me much, so personally I'd take size over colour in these two if all other aspects were equal.

The thing about ovals and otber fancies Is that you take what you can get. What it Sounds like to me is that, like good old gold might do, searched and found two good candidates that happen to be In his ideal specs and price.. its not like a round where you say i want a 1.15 ct i vs2 and then you ind one. Here you habe to be vague. I want about this size, above this color, eye clean, then see what thEy find....id say this is what happened. Its easy to say "well just find a nice f" but that doesnt mean there is one out there.

 

[qzomak]

IMO, a D vs an H is a pretty big jump. Why not get an F or G in there to compare? You could probably go slightly lower in colour and go somewhere in between on size and find a happy medium. Unless this is a time-sensitive matter, I would find something in the middle ground before deciding.

That said, I have to agree about how the stones perform. I'd take a high-performing H over a poor performing D any day. And honestly, colours down to an I don't bother me much, so personally I'd take size over colour in these two if all other aspects were equal.

The thing about ovals and otber fancies Is that you take what you can get. What it Sounds like to me is that, like good old gold might do, searched and found two good candidates that happen to be In his ideal specs and price.. its not like a round where you say i want a 1.15 ct i vs2 and then you ind one. Here you habe to be vague. I want about this size, above this color, eye clean, then see what thEy find....id say this is what happened. Its easy to say "well just find a nice f" but that doesnt mean there is one out there.

Nielseel, you are right on about the fact that there isn't much options out there, between a couple jewelers there are only a hand full of ovals that they can find. And by far, these two are the top candidates out there. Fingers cross on they being high performing stones.

 

[Niel]

I found this one at ja. Looks like it faces up really nice and large, if you like it theres no charge to have them pull it in to get an aset so you can habe that one to compare to the two yOu have being pulled in
http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/1.54-carat-D-color-VS2-clarity-sku-156099

 

[LaraOnline]

GIA doesn't grade cut for fancy shapes, so if a vendor is telling you that this stone is an excellent, please be aware that it is his opinion only. Can you get ASET images of the stone? That would determine for me which is the better choice. A D color is great and all, but if there is a significant amount of leakage then the stone is going to look 'dead' no matter the color kwim? I'd much rather have a bright and lively H than a dull D.

Ditto to Christina's post.

I'd prefer the one that is better cut as my first criteria. I'm good w warm stones so for me, the D would not be my choice. I'd look at performance as the main factor.

Interesting conversation!

With the two sizes in question, assuming cut quality is equal, I would go for the D.
There is something very special about that particular icy icy whiteness, in my view.
What an exciting choice to be able to make!

 

[qzomak]

Hi Everyone I have finial confirm the stone. It is a gorgeous oval with virtually no bow tie effect. so relieved
Next Step, designing the Ring. Thank you all for your help

Here you go:

The first photo is under defused lighting (white fluorescent)
The second is under a little bit of a spot lighting nothing fancy tho