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Anybody hear about/see Camilla''s ring??
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A few more details:
To mark the royal engagement, the queen decided that the Round Tower at Windsor Castle should be illuminated Thursday night.
To mark the royal engagement, the queen decided that the Round Tower at Windsor Castle should be illuminated Thursday night.
The civil marriage will take place at the castle and will be followed by a service of prayer and dedication at St George''s Chapel within the castle walls.
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual head of the church of England, will preside, the prince''s office at Clarence House said.
Williams said Thursday that the wedding service plans "have my strong support and are consistent with Church of England guidelines concerning remarriage."
The archbishop''s approval and participation could well help allay concerns of those with questions about the fitness of the divorced Charles to be supreme governor of church when he becomes king.
In general, the Church of England, the established faith of the nation, disapproves of remarriage of divorced people in church.
There is no Act of Parliament saying the wife of a king should be queen, but it is a historical convention.
Clarence House said there was no legal reason Charles'' second wife could not be queen, and that the decision was made by the couple.
When Charles accedes to the throne, his wife will be known as the HRH - Her Royal Highness - Princess Consort.
Prince Charles, in addition to being Prince of Wales, is Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay.
After her marriage, Parker Bowles will not use the title Princess of Wales, but would like people to call her the Duchess of Cornwall, Clarence House said.
Prime Minister Tony Blair said he was delighted at the impending marriage.
At his regular meeting with the queen Wednesday night, the two discussed the wedding plans, and Blair gave her legal advice before she went on to grant the wedding her royal consent, officials said. They refused to discuss the advice.
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I wonder how she''ll wear the e-ring and a wedding band. Usually the wedding band is made from Welsh gold but I can''t see that sitting well with this platinum ring.
Another bit of history............
Her wedding ring is likely to be made from a nugget of Welsh gold, following Royal Family tradition. All royal brides from the Queen Mother in 1923 to Diana, Princess of Wales in 1981 had rings made from the same gold nugget, mined at Clogau St David''s in Bontddu, north Wales. In 1947, the remaining part of the nugget was in the possession of W J L Bertollé, the craftsman who made the Queen Mother''s ring. He offered it to the then Princess Elizabeth and made her wedding ring from it the same year. In 1960 it was used to make Princess Margaret''s ring. It was also used by Garrard, the Crown Jewellers, to make Princess Anne''s wedding ring in 1973 and by Collingwood jewellers in 1981 to make Diana, Princess of Wales''s ring. However, there is now only a tiny sliver of the original nugget left.
In November 1981, the Royal British Legion presented the Queen with a 36-gramme piece of 21-carat Welsh gold for future royal wedding rings. That nugget provided the rings for the Duchess of York''s wedding to Prince Andrew in 1986, for the Countess of Wessex''s wedding to Prince Edward in 1999, and is also expected to be used for Mrs Parker Bowles.
Another bit of history............
Her wedding ring is likely to be made from a nugget of Welsh gold, following Royal Family tradition. All royal brides from the Queen Mother in 1923 to Diana, Princess of Wales in 1981 had rings made from the same gold nugget, mined at Clogau St David''s in Bontddu, north Wales. In 1947, the remaining part of the nugget was in the possession of W J L Bertollé, the craftsman who made the Queen Mother''s ring. He offered it to the then Princess Elizabeth and made her wedding ring from it the same year. In 1960 it was used to make Princess Margaret''s ring. It was also used by Garrard, the Crown Jewellers, to make Princess Anne''s wedding ring in 1973 and by Collingwood jewellers in 1981 to make Diana, Princess of Wales''s ring. However, there is now only a tiny sliver of the original nugget left.
In November 1981, the Royal British Legion presented the Queen with a 36-gramme piece of 21-carat Welsh gold for future royal wedding rings. That nugget provided the rings for the Duchess of York''s wedding to Prince Andrew in 1986, for the Countess of Wessex''s wedding to Prince Edward in 1999, and is also expected to be used for Mrs Parker Bowles.
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From the "London Times":
"THE Prince of Wales announced his engagement to Camilla Parker Bowles yesterday after being warned that he had to marry her to avoid a looming constitutional crisis.
The Times has learnt that the Prince was told by his most senior advisers that, effectively, he must choose between marrying or banishing his long-term partner. Mrs Parker Bowles agreed to marriage, but only after being persuaded that the Prince needed to place his personal affairs on a conventional footing before he could become King."
Was the Marriage to Avert a Constitutional Crisis?
"THE Prince of Wales announced his engagement to Camilla Parker Bowles yesterday after being warned that he had to marry her to avoid a looming constitutional crisis.
The Times has learnt that the Prince was told by his most senior advisers that, effectively, he must choose between marrying or banishing his long-term partner. Mrs Parker Bowles agreed to marriage, but only after being persuaded that the Prince needed to place his personal affairs on a conventional footing before he could become King."
Was the Marriage to Avert a Constitutional Crisis?
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Date: 2/11/2005 4:218 PM
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Actually, people are betting on the color of the gown. I wish I could post the odds I saw quoted. They were quite funny. The odds against a red, white, and blue patriotic gown were quite high.
This is what I saw in part in this article:
"Miranda Lewis of high-society wedding specialists Orchid Events said: “They will need a big team and they will have been thinking about it for months.
'They must be in quite an advanced stage of preparation. We do get people coming in at a late stage like this, but a wedding of this profile must have taken a lot of planning. It’s been in motion for some time.'
William Hill is offering odds of 33/1 against the future Duchess of Cornwall choosing a white dress, and make cream or natural the favourite at 1/3. Pink, pale blue and yellow are offered at 6/1, 8/1, and 10/1 respectively.
Particularly brave punters can also lay money at 66/1 on her stepping out in a patriotic mix of red white and blue on April 8.
Ms Lewis said she expected the bride to wear an elegant dress in a soft colour on the big day.
'I was thinking pastels but then that would be too similar to the Queen Mother. It will be a hint of a colour, maybe a kind of ochre. I’m sure it will be fantastic – she will look tailored and elegant.' "
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He did not marry Camilla when she was free. After the abdication of Edward VIII the Royal Family had been taught that both divorce and abdication were utterly taboo, a dereliction of duty. Once Camilla had married, Charles could not marry her. In fact, Diana was certified to be a virgin before his marriage to her.
Uh...times have changed.
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CHIRAC -ARE YOU NUTS!Date: 2/11/2005 10:23:54 AM
Author: Lord Summerisle
Oooookay…
*dives into nuc shelter and delivers the rest by tannoy*
Calm down folks….
Simply put, my feelings can be generalized as “he wants power, shouldn’t have it” since history shows time and time again, power corrupts and seduces, and generally isn’t good for a person.
Hence – a politician want power – hence (s)he is what (s)he is… and strives to get it. While in our current system – the Heir to the throne is not striving to get it (s)he was born to that position – and is giving a lifetimes upbringing to get used to the idea.
No system is perfect, nor do I suggest that our way is better than another…
I AM NOT BASHING THE US. Yes I have problems with the currant imcumbant… but that’s cos we purport to live in the democratic and free West. But there are also things I like about the way you do things politically, and things I don’t.
In relation to what I said – I stand by it… I just have to look at France, Italy and many other countries to know how I feel and be justified.
Chirac and Belosconi (sp?) are only free men from the corruption and lawbreaking and fraud they have commited because of their diplomatic protection their position commands. And to follow… Mugabe, Putin… hardly pillars of the community
See my other thread – for my reasons in the UK for not wishing to have President Blair. (oo it makes me feel sick just thinking about it!)
May I say I admire the love of your country that you can show with pride… I find it sad that here... you can not put up the national flag with out being labelled a racist, BNP card carrying, lager drinking, football yob.
To me, I wear my Lancastrian hearatige on my sleeve… and proud to be from and live in an area that once lead the world’s industry. But also of the spectacular scenery to be found in such a small area.
And yep our Royalty may only be ceremonial – but hey – it brings in the tourists
Now can we get to talking sparklie sparkles and leave politics in the bin where it belongs?
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Why Catholics Cannot be Monarchs in England
Well...now that Camilla and Charles are getting married, everyone is getting into the act and discussing the Act of Succession. At one time it was the sole province of history teachers! English monarchs had, for centuries, been Roman Catholics until Henry VIII wanted to divorce Catherine of Aragon. When the Pope would not allow it, Henry broke with the Roman Catholic Church and declared himself head of the Church of England.
His elder daughter, Mary Tudor (Bloody Mary), the daughter of Henry and Catherine of Aragon made England Roman Catholic again and burned many "Protestants" (members of the Church of England) at the stake. After Mary's death Elizabeth ( a bastard according to the Roman Catholic Church and her half-sister, Mary) became Queen. She had had enough burning at the stake and tried to reign calmly.
All went (relatively) well religion-wise until the Stuarts after James I. (Remember: Elizabeth I was "the Virgin Queen" and the monarchy passed from the Tudors to the Stuarts after her!)
Charles I was beheaded by the Roundheads. The Roundheads ruled the country for a while. Then Charles II was restored to the throne (the Restoration). James II was run out of the country (to France) where some partisans declared him (and his son, whom they called James III) to be the true heir to the throne.
The Act of Succession was then passed saying that no monarch could be Catholic or could be married ot a Catholic. Please forgive minor errors (although, by all means point them out!!!). This was written without reference to any notes!
Well...now that Camilla and Charles are getting married, everyone is getting into the act and discussing the Act of Succession. At one time it was the sole province of history teachers! English monarchs had, for centuries, been Roman Catholics until Henry VIII wanted to divorce Catherine of Aragon. When the Pope would not allow it, Henry broke with the Roman Catholic Church and declared himself head of the Church of England.
His elder daughter, Mary Tudor (Bloody Mary), the daughter of Henry and Catherine of Aragon made England Roman Catholic again and burned many "Protestants" (members of the Church of England) at the stake. After Mary's death Elizabeth ( a bastard according to the Roman Catholic Church and her half-sister, Mary) became Queen. She had had enough burning at the stake and tried to reign calmly.
All went (relatively) well religion-wise until the Stuarts after James I. (Remember: Elizabeth I was "the Virgin Queen" and the monarchy passed from the Tudors to the Stuarts after her!)
Charles I was beheaded by the Roundheads. The Roundheads ruled the country for a while. Then Charles II was restored to the throne (the Restoration). James II was run out of the country (to France) where some partisans declared him (and his son, whom they called James III) to be the true heir to the throne.
The Act of Succession was then passed saying that no monarch could be Catholic or could be married ot a Catholic. Please forgive minor errors (although, by all means point them out!!!). This was written without reference to any notes!
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Good summary, AGBF!
England was so fed up with various Catholic pretenders to the throne and all the war and bloodshed that entailed they decided that this would be the best way to put a stop to the whole business. It worked too.
We do make it up as we go along though, honest. Whenever we ran out of heirs or weren't struck on who was next in line, we had a quick shuftie around for somebody who looked a likely candidate and offered them the throne. That's how William and Mary came to be joint reigning monarchs.
They didn't have a fairytale marriage either it would appear:
William and Mary began their marriage under duress. She was twelve years younger than he and found him repulsive. Although terribly homesick while living in Holland, she eventually came to love both the man and his country. William maintained a long-lasting affair with Elizabeth Villiers, one of Mary's ladies-in-waiting, which prompted Mary to be completely devoted and subservient to her husband. William's demeanor towards Mary seemed cold and indifferent on the surface, but his deep grief over her death indicated just how much he relied upon and respected her.
Footnote>>As a final assertion of supremacy, Parliament was granted the right to name the succession; James' Catholic offspring with Mary of Modena were barred from the throne. The crown was to pass to the descendants of Sophia, granddaughter of James I and niece of Charles I, who had married into the German Protestant House of Hanover. Parliament had successfully forbid the accession of any more Catholic monarchs.
England was so fed up with various Catholic pretenders to the throne and all the war and bloodshed that entailed they decided that this would be the best way to put a stop to the whole business. It worked too.
We do make it up as we go along though, honest. Whenever we ran out of heirs or weren't struck on who was next in line, we had a quick shuftie around for somebody who looked a likely candidate and offered them the throne. That's how William and Mary came to be joint reigning monarchs.
They didn't have a fairytale marriage either it would appear:
William and Mary began their marriage under duress. She was twelve years younger than he and found him repulsive. Although terribly homesick while living in Holland, she eventually came to love both the man and his country. William maintained a long-lasting affair with Elizabeth Villiers, one of Mary's ladies-in-waiting, which prompted Mary to be completely devoted and subservient to her husband. William's demeanor towards Mary seemed cold and indifferent on the surface, but his deep grief over her death indicated just how much he relied upon and respected her.
Footnote>>As a final assertion of supremacy, Parliament was granted the right to name the succession; James' Catholic offspring with Mary of Modena were barred from the throne. The crown was to pass to the descendants of Sophia, granddaughter of James I and niece of Charles I, who had married into the German Protestant House of Hanover. Parliament had successfully forbid the accession of any more Catholic monarchs.
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Royal Deeside
Prince Charles is said to have proposed to Camilla at his Birkhall home - more than three decades after love first blossomed there.
A young Camilla Shand and the Prince of Wales''s relationship first came to public attention during breaks to Balmoral in the 70s.
As they honeymoon there later this year, their love will finally come full circle.
Charles is said to have popped the question to Camilla during his Christmas break with her at Birkhall.
Everyone knew Charles was serious about a girlfriend, a possible future Queen, when he invited her up to the Royal Deeside estate.
In the early 70s, the paint millionaire''s daughter became a well-known figure among villagers in Ballater and Braemar.
Unlike many of the prince''s other, city-loving amours, Camilla adored country life.
She enjoyed trips to the Cairngorms and picnics and barbecues at estate lodges.
Although she was no classic beauty, Camilla had one characteristic which made her stand out for Charles - her sense of humour.
Like him, she was an ardent fan of the Goon Show and they would spend happy evenings at Balmoral Castle listening to tapes of the classic radio show.
Willowy young Camilla was also a firm favourite with the Queen Mother, whose home on Deeside had been secluded Birkhall since her husband, then the Duke of York, made it the holiday home for their young daughters Elizabeth and Margaret.
But although Charles and Camilla were in love, the heir to the throne was caught in one of his characteristic straight-jackets of indecision - unable to take the huge step of proposing marriage. When he joined the navy Camilla had no shortage of suitors. Dashing major Andrew Parker Bowles tipped his hat at Camilla. She, tired of waiting for her prince, married him.
It will be more than 30 years before the lovers return to Birkhall as man and wife.
Dating back to the 17th Century when it was the home of the famous Gordon family of Aberdeen, the house started life as a modest lodge and expanded as wings were added over the decades.
Its charm lies in its complete privacy - hidden by birch trees and pine woods with the swirling Muick flowing close by its garden, with a glimpse of Ballater through the trees.
Prince Albert bought it for the use as a bachelor home for the Prince of Wales at the end of the 1800s. Later it would become a popular hideaway for royal honeymooners.
The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh spent several weeks there after their wedding in November 1947.
The Duke and Duchess of Kent and Andrew and Sarah Ferguson also spent some of their honeymoon there.
Since the death of his grandmother, Charles has spent hundreds of thousands on an upgrade of Birkhall.
Residents in Balmoral are fiercely protective of their royal neighbours and help guard their privacy. But there has been widespread delight that Charles is finally marrying the girl he wooed at Balmoral all those years ago.
Ed Bushnell, session clerk at Crathie Church, said the surprise news was "fantastic".
He said: "Most folk will be fair delighted for them and wish them every happiness.
"I couldn''t be more pleased.
"It will be lovely to see them again. They spend a lot of time here. People respect their privacy and when they come to church, they are welcome members of the congregation."
Residents'' wishes for happy couple
Residents on Royal Deeside were delighted with the news of the royal wedding.
Many said they were happy for the couple, and that they were "lovely" when seen out and about in Ballater and the surrounding area.
Managing Director of Ballater''s Glen Lui Hotel, Debbie Cooper, 36, said members of the press from London had already inquired about booking rooms for April.
Debbie said: "I am absolutely delighted. We are perhaps more used to having them as a couple up here than people down south are.
"The royals get privacy up here. You see them passing through the village being treated just like any other people visiting their holiday home."
Willie Meston, 59, secretary of the Braemar Gathering and owner of the Coilacriech Inn, just outside Ballater, said: "I''m delighted for them, and I think everyone in the area will be quite happy for them.
"I think it''s the logical thing for them to do.
"It would have been lovely if the wedding was to be held at Crathie, so he could follow in his sister''s footsteps."
Derek Corsie, 50, who owns Ballater flowers, has served the royal family in the past.
He said: "I''m pleased for them. I''ve met them before, and they seem like a really nice, friendly couple.
"It will save my wife buying a hat if they are getting married at Windsor."
Local woman Pat Crawford, 63, works as a tourist information assistant in Ballater.
She said: "I''m delighted for them and I hope they are very happy together."
Shop assistant Dorothy Davidson, 58, said of her work colleagues: "Everyone here is really happy for them.
"It''s good they are honeymooning at Balmoral.
"Hopefully it will bring more tourists."
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Depends on how you define a 'decent human being'. USA Today has quoted "1970:Charles meets Camilla on Windsor Great Park polo field. How she breaks the ice:"My great-great grandmother (Alice Keppel) was your great-great grandfather's(Kijng Edward VII)mistress, so how about it?"Date: 2/11/2005 74:23 AM
Author: Daniela
Okay, that's just mean. No decent human being deserves that kind of treatment, whether or not you think they don't walk well in their expensive shoes.
Who the hell says that to a Prince???? I'm sorry I don't find anything decent about that!!!
Adulterers were made to wear scarlett letters and have been stoned for the same behavior so I think she got off pretty good just getting pelted with bread!!Again, just my opinion, which I'm entitled to.
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The history book, "Romans and Rebels" which I used to teach ninth grade students quoted the Roman historian Livy as saying that the Roman troops ate a hot breakfast before the Battle of Cannae. Was it true? I asked my students to be skeptical since Livy was born 50 years later. Now I ask you, who heard this proposition? Might it be apocryphal?
(Even if it's not, Camilla would not have been an adulterer for uttering that. Neither she nor Charles was married.)
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Precisely. I can''t see them throwing bread rolls at Charles either, yet he deserves it as much as she does if you feel that''s appropriate adult behaviour in the first place. It always amazes me that people who try to claim the moral high ground, end up advocating behaviour that is often worse than the ''crime'' it''s supposed to be punishing.
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yes, we''re all entitled to our opinions. mine: what a waste of bread when so many are starving in this world.
men have used much worse pickup lines for eons and if camilla did utter words to such an effect, then more power to her. it was the 70''s and she is not a commoner like di....she can speak to charles as an equal. face it folks, the rich and high born are allowed to be as human as we are and actually allowed to get away with more.
another thought: if she approached charles in such a manner, he must not have been too upset by it! turns out she''s the love of his life.
lots of things are reported in this world turn out to be colored by the person relating the story and/or not true at all. livy wasn''t the first person nor will he be the last.........
i, too, am entitled to my ever so humble opinion and i recall reading these words "you who are without sin, cast the first stone''.
speaking of which, if you''re going to cast stones, please make them champagne diamonds.....
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men have used much worse pickup lines for eons and if camilla did utter words to such an effect, then more power to her. it was the 70''s and she is not a commoner like di....she can speak to charles as an equal. face it folks, the rich and high born are allowed to be as human as we are and actually allowed to get away with more.
another thought: if she approached charles in such a manner, he must not have been too upset by it! turns out she''s the love of his life.
lots of things are reported in this world turn out to be colored by the person relating the story and/or not true at all. livy wasn''t the first person nor will he be the last.........
i, too, am entitled to my ever so humble opinion and i recall reading these words "you who are without sin, cast the first stone''.
speaking of which, if you''re going to cast stones, please make them champagne diamonds.....
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I wasn''t calling Camilla an adulterer for her crass pick up line I was refering to their ongoing affair during both their marriages. I think they should have married long ago. The deserve each other. I also feel he should suffer the same punishment as any other adulterer. I was simply stating my feelings that if she were a decent human being she should act more decently, especially in front of royalty.
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