are you gonna watch the you know what tonight?

[MissStepcut]

No one could possibly do a worse job on the economy than Obama. No one. Especially the guy with the spectacular record of turn-around successes. As Bill Clinton said “There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who’s been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

It's harder for me to think of something more terrifying to me than a private equity guy leading the charge to turn around anything I am currently invested in. As someone who has worked in a bankruptcy court and in bankruptcy practice, it sends chills down my spine.

If only Warren Buffett had ever had the impulse to run.

I'll take a private equity guy over a community organizer leading the charge any day of the week.
The current administration has sent chills up my spine for four years now and there's nothing more terrifying to me than the prospect of another four. So, I guess we just differ...

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

 

[beebrisk]

No one could possibly do a worse job on the economy than Obama. No one. Especially the guy with the spectacular record of turn-around successes. As Bill Clinton said “There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who’s been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

It's harder for me to think of something more terrifying to me than a private equity guy leading the charge to turn around anything I am currently invested in. As someone who has worked in a bankruptcy court and in bankruptcy practice, it sends chills down my spine.

If only Warren Buffett had ever had the impulse to run.

I'll take a private equity guy over a community organizer leading the charge any day of the week.
The current administration has sent chills up my spine for four years now and there's nothing more terrifying to me than the prospect of another four. So, I guess we just differ...

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

Well, see? This is why I differ greatly from many around here...Because I actually see *Obama* as America's problem. In fact, after 4 years, I've yet to see a solution to anything come out of his administration.
To me, that's THE reason to like Romney and want to see him in office.

 

[iheartscience]

No one could possibly do a worse job on the economy than Obama. No one. Especially the guy with the spectacular record of turn-around successes. As Bill Clinton said “There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who’s been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

It's harder for me to think of something more terrifying to me than a private equity guy leading the charge to turn around anything I am currently invested in. As someone who has worked in a bankruptcy court and in bankruptcy practice, it sends chills down my spine.

If only Warren Buffett had ever had the impulse to run.

I'll take a private equity guy over a community organizer leading the charge any day of the week.
The current administration has sent chills up my spine for four years now and there's nothing more terrifying to me than the prospect of another four. So, I guess we just differ...

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

Well, see? This is why I differ greatly from many around here...Because I actually see *Obama* as America's problem. In fact, after 4 years, I've yet to see a solution to anything come out of his administration.
To me, that's THE reason to like Romney and want to see him in office.

You should have mentioned this 3.5 years ago! We've been such fools! Things were going so well until Obama took office! Why didn't you tell us sooner that EVERYTHING wrong with this country and the world is Obama's fault?

 

[hlmr]

As a side note....(since this is a jewelery forum, after all ), I am admiring Obama's wedding ring. Yellow gold with a crossover design....I like it.

I like it too! And is it just me, or is Obama sexier when he's a little mean?

PS was down for me after I posted this last night, but I had a good chuckle reading your comment today.

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="MissStepcut|

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.[/quote]



wish i was in Romney's tax bracket.i'd love to paid millions in taxes,so our choice is capitalism vs socialism. i didn't know it was illegal to be rich in America.

 

[Maria D]

[quote="MissStepcut|

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

wish i was in Romney's tax bracket.i'd love to paid millions in taxes,so our choice is capitalism vs socialism. i didn't know it was illegal to be rich in America.[/quote]

How do you get "illegal to be rich in America" from MissStepcut's post? Fascinating.

 

[ksinger]

[quote="MissStepcut|

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

wish i was in Romney's tax bracket.i'd love to paid millions in taxes,so our choice is capitalism vs socialism. i didn't know it was illegal to be rich in America.

How do you get "illegal to be rich in America" from MissStepcut's post? Fascinating.[/quote]

He gets "illegal" at Hyperbole-R-Us, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Bifurcation Inc., which sells either/or/black/white choices like EITHER capitalism OR socialism.

All while being shamelessly supported by a wife with a governement job that wasn't created by government because government doesn't create jobs.

Is it clearer now?

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="MissStepcut|

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

wish i was in Romney's tax bracket.i'd love to paid millions in taxes,so our choice is capitalism vs socialism. i didn't know it was illegal to be rich in America.

How do you get "illegal to be rich in America" from MissStepcut's post? Fascinating.[/quote]


the liberals say the rich should pay more taxes "paid their fair share",well FYI the riches Americans are already paying most of our taxes.

btw,IMO the rich SHOULD pay more taxes but up to what % ? how much more money should we take from the riches Americans? i have no idea what Obama meant by "paying their fair share"...

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="ksinger|
How do you get "illegal to be rich in America" from MissStepcut's post? Fascinating.[/quote]

He gets "illegal" at Hyperbole-R-Us, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Bifurcation Inc., which sells either/or/black/white choices like EITHER capitalism OR socialism.

All while being shamelessly supported by a wife with a governement job that wasn't created by government because government doesn't create jobs.

Is it clearer now?[/quote]

Karen
you forgot that my daughter whom is also employed by the State of Ca...

 

[MissStepcut]

No one could possibly do a worse job on the economy than Obama. No one. Especially the guy with the spectacular record of turn-around successes. As Bill Clinton said “There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who’s been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

It's harder for me to think of something more terrifying to me than a private equity guy leading the charge to turn around anything I am currently invested in. As someone who has worked in a bankruptcy court and in bankruptcy practice, it sends chills down my spine.

If only Warren Buffett had ever had the impulse to run.

I'll take a private equity guy over a community organizer leading the charge any day of the week.
The current administration has sent chills up my spine for four years now and there's nothing more terrifying to me than the prospect of another four. So, I guess we just differ...

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

Well, see? This is why I differ greatly from many around here...Because I actually see *Obama* as America's problem. In fact, after 4 years, I've yet to see a solution to anything come out of his administration.
To me, that's THE reason to like Romney and want to see him in office.

Obama didn't create our structural programs. I don't think, in this environment of polarized politics and congressional ineffectiveness, it would be possible for any President to have created our structural problems. Modern finance though? That's a big part. I don't understand wanting to blame politicians for all the problems that are so obviously not political.

I guess it's just easier to pin it to a person.

 

[beebrisk]

No one could possibly do a worse job on the economy than Obama. No one. Especially the guy with the spectacular record of turn-around successes. As Bill Clinton said “There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who’s been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

It's harder for me to think of something more terrifying to me than a private equity guy leading the charge to turn around anything I am currently invested in. As someone who has worked in a bankruptcy court and in bankruptcy practice, it sends chills down my spine.

If only Warren Buffett had ever had the impulse to run.

I'll take a private equity guy over a community organizer leading the charge any day of the week.
The current administration has sent chills up my spine for four years now and there's nothing more terrifying to me than the prospect of another four. So, I guess we just differ...

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

Well, see? This is why I differ greatly from many around here...Because I actually see *Obama* as America's problem. In fact, after 4 years, I've yet to see a solution to anything come out of his administration.
To me, that's THE reason to like Romney and want to see him in office.

Obama didn't create our structural programs. I don't think, in this environment of polarized politics and congressional ineffectiveness, it would be possible for any President to have created our structural problems. Modern finance though? That's a big part. I don't understand wanting to blame politicians for all the problems that are so obviously not political.

I guess it's just easier to pin it to a person.

I don't blame him for what happened before he went into office.

I DO blame him for the following..none of which have anything to do with "modern banking'.

The Obamacare morass.
The promises to be the "most transparent administration in history" only to hold the health care talks behind doors.
Demonizing success; the rich, yet rubbing elbows with them when they offer contributions. Class warfare. Let's not forget that Obama's retirement will be far, FAR cushier than most of us could imagine. I'd say he's going to be a bona fide, card-carrying member of the 1%, actually.
Promising to cut the deficit in half and then increasing it by $6T
Calling the Ft Hood masacre "workplace violence" instead of a terrorist attack.
Calling Sandra Fluke after she was insulted by a radio pundit but couldn't bring himself to call the parents of Brian Terry.
Giving short shrift to our only ally in the Middle East.
Kibitzing on The View instead of accepting a request to meet with said ally.
Belonging to a racist, anti-Semitic church for 20 years and throwing his professed "spiritual mentor" under the bus when he got caught.
Giving 1/2B of our tax dollars to campaign contributor Solyndra, only to see them file bankruptcy shortly thereafter.
Ignoring the desperate pleas of Chris Stevens for more security in Benghazi in the days before he was killed and dragged through the streets.
Hitting a fundraiser (with the uber-rich!) Beyonce & JayZ the day after Stevens and 3 others in Libya were killed; then trying to cover it up with a bogus story about some krappy, 2 month old You Tube video before throwing Hilary Clinton under the bus and shipping her off to Europe.

This...This is only scratching the surface of what I blame him for. So indeed, I am pinning ALL the above on him. He is responsible. Not Bush. Not the banks. It ALL happened on his watch. For these reasons and many more I won't list here I don't believe he is worthy of the office or my vote.

I don't expect too many on PS to agree with me and that's fine. We all get to go to the polls soon.

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="beebrisk|

I don't blame him for what happened before he went into office.

I DO blame him for the following..none of which have anything to do with "modern banking'.

The Obamacare morass.
The promises to be the "most transparent administration in history" only to hold the health care talks behind doors.
Demonizing success; the rich, yet rubbing elbows with them when they offer contributions. Class warfare. Let's not forget that Obama's retirement will be far, FAR cushier than most of us could imagine. I'd say he's going to be a bona fide, card-carrying member of the 1%, actually.
Promising to cut the deficit in half and then increasing it by $6T
Calling the Ft Hood masacre "workplace violence" instead of a terrorist attack.
Calling Sandra Fluke after she was insulted by a radio pundit but couldn't bring himself to call the parents of Brian Terry.
Giving short shrift to our only ally in the Middle East.
Kibitzing on The View instead of accepting a request to meet with said ally.
Belonging to a racist, anti-Semitic church for 20 years and throwing his professed "spiritual mentor" under the bus when he got caught.
Giving 1/2B of our tax dollars to campaign contributor Solyndra, only to see them file bankruptcy shortly thereafter.
Ignoring the desperate pleas of Chris Stevens for more security in Benghazi in the days before he was killed and dragged through the streets.
Hitting a fundraiser (with the uber-rich!) Beyonce & JayZ the day after Stevens and 3 others in Libya were killed; then trying to cover it up with a bogus story about some krappy, 2 month old You Tube video before throwing Hilary Clinton under the bus and shipping her off to Europe.

This...This is only scratching the surface of what I blame him for. So indeed, I am pinning ALL the above on him. He is responsible. Not Bush. Not the banks. It ALL happened on his watch. For these reasons and many more I won't list here I don't believe he is worthy of the office or my vote.

I don't expect too many on PS to agree with me and that's fine. We all get to go to the polls soon.[/quote]



but my vote don't count!...

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="thing2of2|

You should have mentioned this 3.5 years ago! We've been such fools! Things were going so well until Obama took office! Why didn't you tell us sooner that EVERYTHING wrong with this country and the world is Obama's fault?[/quote]


Thing 2,don't feel bad, your not alone. he fooled millions of young Americans like my daughters.

no it wasn't,but he just made it worse than 4 yrs ago.

 

[Abril]

Beebrisk, Bush 43 is even worse.

 

[ksinger]

No one could possibly do a worse job on the economy than Obama. No one. Especially the guy with the spectacular record of turn-around successes. As Bill Clinton said “There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who’s been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

It's harder for me to think of something more terrifying to me than a private equity guy leading the charge to turn around anything I am currently invested in. As someone who has worked in a bankruptcy court and in bankruptcy practice, it sends chills down my spine.

If only Warren Buffett had ever had the impulse to run.

I'll take a private equity guy over a community organizer leading the charge any day of the week.
The current administration has sent chills up my spine for four years now and there's nothing more terrifying to me than the prospect of another four. So, I guess we just differ...

Hey, I can think of a lot of reasons to like Romney and want to see him in office. But all that crap he did at Bain? Private equity is America's problem, not our solution. My best hope is that Romney knows that.

Well, see? This is why I differ greatly from many around here...Because I actually see *Obama* as America's problem. In fact, after 4 years, I've yet to see a solution to anything come out of his administration.
To me, that's THE reason to like Romney and want to see him in office.

Obama didn't create our structural programs. I don't think, in this environment of polarized politics and congressional ineffectiveness, it would be possible for any President to have created our structural problems. Modern finance though? That's a big part. I don't understand wanting to blame politicians for all the problems that are so obviously not political.

I guess it's just easier to pin it to a person.

I'm glad people are starting to finally see the structural problems. Or at least I hope they are. Some - like globalization - are probably going to move apace whether we like it or no and regardless of who sits in the White House. That one has certainly not been an unalloyed good for the US. It's been good for the capital that flees our shores to take advantage of it, but has hollowed out job sectors, depressed the wages and cut the influence of workers here at home.

Here's a piece I read just this morning about those structural problems and how we're going to have to learn to either mitigate them or live with them. Either way, the growth rates of the past look like they are pretty much past.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/politics/race-for-president-leaves-income-slump-in-shadows.html?hp&_r=0

I'm also currently reading "The Price of Inequality" by Joseph E. Stiglitz. Highly recommend it as a nice explanation of those structural problems and how laws and policy set the rules for the market that have favored the concentration of wealth we are continuing to see.

 

[beebrisk]

Beebrisk, Bush 43 is even worse.

Really? Facts? Involved in Benghazi? Fast & Furious? Solyndra?
Worse than what?
Far as I know, Romney has never been president so how can his presidential record possibly be....worse?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Obama will not win unless they let Chris Matthews vote 20 million times.i love MSNBC..

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

The reason that I am considering voting for Romney is that I think Gov't is much too much in our lives. i too, want less gov't. I want this country to have a secure financial future, and do not believe Obama does understand business. I do not believe that vilifying banks or corporations is the way to go. I believe that some banks did the US Govt' a favor by buying out horrifically run institutions that would have caused more choas had they not been taken over.

I believe that slippery slopes do exist and what was once an golden American vision has become easy prey for those that want more and more for nothing from Gov't whether by the tax code or relief programs.

I hve considered the womens issues that have have reared their ugly head again. These are mainly states issues and can only be addressed at the state level.

This year I am voting my own interests, and I see that as a Romney vote. I did vote for Obama last time as I wanted to see our boys come home. Four yrs later they are still there. Way too slow for me. Yes, I will vote my interests.

Annette

 

[Dancing Fire]

Hi,

I believe that slippery slopes do exist and what was once an golden American vision has become easy prey for those that want more and more for nothing from Gov't whether by the tax code or relief programs.


Annette

yep,that's the biggest issue with our country today.too many people wanted something for doing nothing.

 

[beebrisk]

Obama will not win unless they let Chris Matthews vote 20 million times.i love MSNBC..

Awww...C'mon, DF. You KNOW only FOX is biased!

 

[ruby59]

Excellent post, Smitcompton.

For me the question is - In my little corner of the world, are my family and I better off now than we were 4 years ago? And the answer is "hell, no." And from everything I heard from Obama in the debates, I just do not believe the next 4 will be any better.

Like the saying goes - Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. That is how I feel about our current president and his vision for the future. Will Romney be any better? Hope so, but what I do know is that it is time for a change in leadership because my family and I just cannot afford Obama for a second term.

 

[jstarfireb]

I hve considered the womens issues that have have reared their ugly head again. These are mainly states issues and can only be addressed at the state level.

I very strongly disagree that women's rights or any civil rights issues should be left up to the states. The right to plan whether and when to have children, including low-cost access to birth control and abortion services, puts women on equal footing with men in the economy and should not be dependent on where one lives. Likewise, I feel strongly that the right of my gay and lesbian friends to marry shouldn't depend on where they live either. Civil rights should be federally decided and protected.

I vote my interests as well, meaning that as a young woman who does not want to be pregnant and wants to have a productive career, I can't in good conscience vote for anyone who would defund Planned Parenthood and who aligns himself with people who say "legitimate rape" never results in pregnancy. As a former ER doctor who saw teenagers come in for pregnancy tests largely as a result of the travesty that is abstinence-only sex "education," nobody can convince me that access to birth control and comprehensive sex education are unimportant.

I believe that economically we will end up in the same situation no matter who becomes our next president. The vast differences between the candidates are in social issues, with Romney living in the 1950s and Obama grounded in today's reality.

Less government isn't a bad thing. Government so small that the only place it fits is in a woman's uterus, on the other hand...not so much.

 

[Maria D]

Less government isn't a bad thing. Government so small that the only place it fits is in a woman's uterus, on the other hand...not so much.

love it, priceless!

 

[ruby59]

I hve considered the womens issues that have have reared their ugly head again. These are mainly states issues and can only be addressed at the state level.

I very strongly disagree that women's rights or any civil rights issues should be left up to the states. The right to plan whether and when to have children, including low-cost access to birth control and abortion services, puts women on equal footing with men in the economy and should not be dependent on where one lives. Likewise, I feel strongly that the right of my gay and lesbian friends to marry shouldn't depend on where they live either. Civil rights should be federally decided and protected.

I vote my interests as well, meaning that as a young woman who does not want to be pregnant and wants to have a productive career, I can't in good conscience vote for anyone who would defund Planned Parenthood and who aligns himself with people who say "legitimate rape" never results in pregnancy. As a former ER doctor who saw teenagers come in for pregnancy tests largely as a result of the travesty that is abstinence-only sex "education," nobody can convince me that access to birth control and comprehensive sex education are unimportant.

I believe that economically we will end up in the same situation no matter who becomes our next president. The vast differences between the candidates are in social issues, with Romney living in the 1950s and Obama grounded in today's reality.

Less government isn't a bad thing. Government so small that the only place it fits is in a woman's uterus, on the other hand...not so much.

I must have missed something, but when did Governor Romney align himself "with people who say legitimate rape" never results in pregnancy?" I believe pretty much everyone in the Republican party distanced themselves from him, and Romney made it clear he did not share his misguided beliefs.

As far as seeing pregnant teenagers in the ER, my daughter volunteers in Womans and Infants hospital. And many of those teenagers have readily admitted they had access to birth control but either did not want to ruin the moment or could not be bothered. And this does say alot about today vs the 1950's. Many people today do not want to take responsibility for their actions. Why bother when the government will just bail you out.

 

[jstarfireb]

I must have missed something, but when did Governor Romney align himself "with people who say legitimate rape" never results in pregnancy?" I believe pretty much everyone in the Republican party distanced themselves from him, and Romney made it clear he did not share his misguided beliefs.

As far as seeing pregnant teenagers in the ER, my daughter volunteers in Womans and Infants hospital. And many of those teenagers have readily admitted they had access to birth control but either did not want to ruin the moment or could not be bothered. And this does say alot about today vs the 1950's. Many people today do not want to take responsibility for their actions. Why bother when the government will just bail you out.

Well, I used Akin's quote and Romney distanced himself from Akin, but perhaps I should have quoted Mourdock instead that pregnancy from rape is "God's will." Romney supports him. So wrong quote, same point.

Personal responsibility is of course a factor. However, I think the abstinence-only disaster is partially responsible for the lack of use of birth control even when we have access. There are so many myths and misconceptions about sex, birth control, condoms, etc, and these are being perpetuated by our schools. And that is primarily a Republican agenda.

ETA: What really scares me is that so many women are dismissing the slow chipping away at our rights and failing to understand the slippery slope we are on with a Republican-controlled Washington. Any woman who votes for Romney is voting for her own subjugation. The Handmaid's Tale is coming.

 

[iheartscience]

I must have missed something, but when did Governor Romney align himself "with people who say legitimate rape" never results in pregnancy?" I believe pretty much everyone in the Republican party distanced themselves from him, and Romney made it clear he did not share his misguided beliefs.

As far as seeing pregnant teenagers in the ER, my daughter volunteers in Womans and Infants hospital. And many of those teenagers have readily admitted they had access to birth control but either did not want to ruin the moment or could not be bothered. And this does say alot about today vs the 1950's. Many people today do not want to take responsibility for their actions. Why bother when the government will just bail you out.

Well, I used Akin's quote and Romney distanced himself from Akin, but perhaps I should have quoted Mourdock instead that pregnancy from rape is "God's will." Romney supports him. So wrong quote, same point.

Personal responsibility is of course a factor. However, I think the abstinence-only disaster is partially responsible for the lack of use of birth control even when we have access. There are so many myths and misconceptions about sex, birth control, condoms, etc, and these are being perpetuated by our schools. And that is primarily a Republican agenda.

ETA: What really scares me is that so many women are dismissing the slow chipping away at our rights and failing to understand the slippery slope we are on with a Republican-controlled Washington. Any woman who votes for Romney is voting for her own subjugation. The Handmaid's Tale is coming.

I can't agree enough with the bolded.

 

[zoebartlett]

Jstarfireb, excellent post! I agree with everything you wrote.

 

[zoebartlett]

Ruby, I know that the Republican party distanced itself from Akin when he said those terrible, horrible, no good, very bad things, but it didn't take long for them to back him again after some of the dust had settled. That pissed me off.

 

[Dancing Fire]

if Sandra Fluke get free birth control pills then i want some free Viagras...

 

[Maria D]

That's beautiful DF because it's precisely the point: Health insurance plans routinely cover Viagara but not birth control pills.

Tell me, when you were listening to Rush rant on and on about Sandra Fluke, did he happen to mention if the oxycodone he was addicted to was covered by his health insurance plan or did he have to buy it off the streets like many other addicts? When he went in for treatment, did his insurance plan cover that? Since you like to fret about how people mooch off the system, why not spend some time worrying about Rush and how he personally helped drive up insurance costs while you are worrying about Ms. Fluke.