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ASET Image Review - 2 Asscher Cuts

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defscott627

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I was wondering if you could give me your opinion on the following ASET images. They are both Asscher cuts:




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Diamond 1 is clearly better. The more red the better!
 
Not loving eithe of those, but I'd like to have the link to see what the stones look like in a photo. I just had Good Old Gold source some asschers for me to choose from, and I was able to get an excellent one. It's not just the ASET, it is the appearance of the stones themselves, as in, the proportions being pleasing. Both need to be good.

Example of a terrific ASET:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9216/

The stones I had to choose from, all 1 ct.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7SBfNGxTFE&list=UUEV7slr-i-VduBBnfv9MxhA&index=2
 
JulieN- I actually didn't give them the one you suggested because they only allowed two, and the representative I spoke to in the chat said there was a little black spec on that one and that it wasn't eyeclean.


For the original photos of the diamonds, here they are:

Diamond 2 in the ASET images; http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/Asscher-cut/1.23-carat-H-color-VS1-clarity-sku-184585
Diamond 1 in the ASET images; http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/Asscher-cut/1.20-carat-H-color-VVS2-clarity-sku-190183
 
I might be biased. But I think number one looks a lot like mine. The crown height is good, from the video. The ASET shows a bright stone.

These new videos are WONDERFUL, but they are really taking some getting used to. I can't tell if I'm seeing the facets flash off and on 'normally' or if there is more darkness there than there should be. I need a "control" video or five for each shape so I can see what a 'great' performer videos as, so I can tell what a bad one looks like in contrast.

What did the gemologist say?
 
The gemologist said the following---

"I'm happy to share with you that both of your diamonds are bright and very beautiful. Between your two options, diamond 190183 (#1552570 1.20crt H VVS2) has great light performance and appears slightly brighter and more lively than you other selection. It's completely eye clean and has a true "H" color, which only has a very faint amount of warmth to it. Diamond 184585 (#1547169 1.23crt H VS1) is very bright in its own right, faces eye clean, and has a true "H" color.



Both diamonds are fantastic options so you cannot go wrong with either of them. However, since our gemologist favored diamond 190183 (1552570) as your brighter diamond with a better balance for performance, I encourage you to move forward with this option."
 
the facet patterning of the first one ain't to my liking. ASET seems failing for both even though they might not be a fair representation of the stones.

I think you can do alot better.
 
Are there other diamonds that you guys see on jamesallen that look nice?

I was really hoping to stay in the 1.25 ct range and up to $8k range for the diamond.
 
It has been 3 ASET images for a long time. If this is a new policy, ask if they will make an exception. Asschers are 1) hard to shop for; 2) we have not had time to adjust to the new setup which: a) has too much reflected light and b) puts diamonds on their side instead of straight face-up.

Did the rep say it wasn't eye-clean or it might not be eye-clean? I can see the girdle inscription in these videos, so these black inclusions look a lot worse than they really are.

The G VVS1 looks nice. These, too: http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/Asscher-cut/1.31-carat-I-color-VVS2-clarity-sku-52626

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/Asscher-cut/1.20-carat-F-color-VS2-clarity-sku-179912
 
A third diamond to the mix (I posted the link earlier - G VVS1 - http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/Asscher-cut/1.21-carat-G-color-VVS1-clarity-sku-179137)

I really liked the symmetry of the diamond, but take a look at the ASET image.

179137aset.jpg

I was concerned with the amount of leakage (as shown by the black in the diamond). The gemologist from JamesAllen says: "The gemologist has compared diamond 179137 (1540972) to your other diamonds and found it to be the superior option! While your other options are fantastic, this diamond's performance is the most consistent. The ASET image doesn't properly represent the diamond and the gemologist confirmed that when you see it in person, it's very bright and its performance balances nicely throughout the diamond. As you would expect, it's completely eye clean and it offers the whitest color the group. It has the best cut of the your selections and our gemologist favored this new option the most."

What do you think?
 
If they are saying that the ASET does not show the correct light performance of the stone, then why are they even doing them???? From this image, I wouldn't expect it to be the best. In fact, none of these have ASETs as good as the ones I was looking at. I really find this problematic.

I also don't like the table which is a little large and it is not square.
 
The search really is frustrating! I get different advice depending on who I'm asking. Michael Fried from truthaboutdiamonds told me that ASET images are essentially useless when it comes to Asscher cuts and that he does not recommend anyone order one for an Asscher because it will tell them nothing, but then other sites say that it can be useful for even step cuts. Then, OTHER sites say depending on the angle of the stone, you can create many different looking ASET images for the same exact diamond so that they're not even as useful as people make them out to be. So I'm not really even sure what to listen to - I've never seen so many different opinions & literature & advice regarding the same topic! Lol ....

Anyway, I do appreciate everyone's help! Sorry for ranting - I just feel lost since I know nothing about diamonds except what I read.
 
So order it and take a look. 60 day returns, free shipping both ways.

It is true that depending on the angle, you can create many different looks.
 
BTW, is there anyway you can get to NYC where JA is, or to GOG on LI? Really, there is no substitute for seeing these things in person. It is an engagement ring, the effort will be worth it.
 
defscott627|1359404088|3365700 said:
The search really is frustrating! I get different advice depending on who I'm asking. Michael Fried from truthaboutdiamonds told me that ASET images are essentially useless when it comes to Asscher cuts and that he does not recommend anyone order one for an Asscher because it will tell them nothing, but then other sites say that it can be useful for even step cuts. Then, OTHER sites say depending on the angle of the stone, you can create many different looking ASET images for the same exact diamond so that they're not even as useful as people make them out to be. So I'm not really even sure what to listen to - I've never seen so many different opinions & literature & advice regarding the same topic! Lol ....

Anyway, I do appreciate everyone's help! Sorry for ranting - I just feel lost since I know nothing about diamonds except what I read.
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ASET, videos, and pictures are just an indication of how it will look and act in person.
It is just an indication which is why there are so many varied answers from both consumers and vendors.
I find them all useful but none of them is the final answer, the final answer is your eyes in a lot of lighting conditions over an extended period of time.

It is true that tilt will give a different ASET image and there are things you can look for to see if it is tilted on the ASET image. Sometimes I find a tilted ASET image to be just as useful as not tilted.

That the gemologist found the third diamond more lively is not surprising, it has more contrast to flash on and off.
More red in ASET is not always better, A good balance will give a better looking stone.
The problem is that a 2 good balanced looks can look totally different and both be excellent.
 
defscott627|1359404088|3365700 said:
The search really is frustrating! I get different advice depending on who I'm asking. Michael Fried from truthaboutdiamonds told me that ASET images are essentially useless when it comes to Asscher cuts and that he does not recommend anyone order one for an Asscher because it will tell them nothing, but then other sites say that it can be useful for even step cuts. Then, OTHER sites say depending on the angle of the stone, you can create many different looking ASET images for the same exact diamond so that they're not even as useful as people make them out to be. So I'm not really even sure what to listen to - I've never seen so many different opinions & literature & advice regarding the same topic! Lol ....

Anyway, I do appreciate everyone's help! Sorry for ranting - I just feel lost since I know nothing about diamonds except what I read.
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I understand your frustration, especially when it comes to picking an asscher....I had wanted one for YEARS and was talked out of it initially for a myriad of reasons, only to find out that the people giving me these opinions didn't really know diddly about asschers :roll: It can be really hard and overwhelming doing all the research on your own.

I never fell out of love with this cut though, and because it was so hard to pick one by the numbers I ended up going with GOG because they offered the tools that were most useful, to me, for picking out a stone. Jonathan's videos are amazing and, IMHO, the next best thing to being able to see the stone in person. I'm in CA and although I thought for a second about planning a trip to NY to see things in person, it just wasn't feasible. So we went with GOG anyways and I never thought twice about dealing with a vendor all the way across the country because everyone at GOG is just so wonderful and knowledgable.
 
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