Asscher v Carre

[gregchang35]

i have been doing some research for an asscher eternity band

And one vendor has given me the following explanation as some of the photos that s/he has sent me, i noticed it was more carre than asscher as the windmills were not wide (asscher) but a line (carre).

This is what they have replied this morning (its 735am now)- yes i am addicted to PS.... i was eating breakfast and the computer just so happen to be on hehehehehe:

"Carre and asscher are two names given to the same type of diamonds. To explain you better take an example of an emerald shape the same shape when goes below 0.10ct each it is called baguette diamonds and not emerald diamond in the same way any Asscher cut stone that goes below 0.10ct are called carre and not asscher. "


I am a newbie and so I didn't know that.

comments, pls

 

[Gypsy]

Carre are to asschers what baguettes are to emerald cuts.

Carre are square step cuts WITH corners. Asschers are square step cuts without corners (which creates the windmill). So asschers are cut-cornered.

Baguettes are rectangular step cuts WITH corners. Emerald Cuts are rectangular step cuts without corners. EC's are also cut-cornered.

Carre and Baguettes have 4 sides. Asschers and Emerald cuts have eight. Asschers are also referred to as "square emerald cuts". And generic asschers are correctly called that. As Asscher is correctly only the name of stones branded by the house/family of Asscher.

It is NOT a matter of size. It is a matter of cut. I have seen 50 point carre cuts. And ten point asschers.

 

[gregchang35]

Carre are to asschers what baguettes are to emerald cuts.

Carre are square step cuts WITH corners. Asschers are square step cuts without corners (which creates the windmill).

Baguettes are rectangular step cuts WITH corners. Emerald Cuts are rectangular step cuts without corners.

Carre and Baguettes have 4 sides. Asschers and Emerald cuts have eight. Asschers are also referred to as "square emerald cuts". And generic asschers are correctly called that. As Asscher is correctly only the name of stones branded by the house/family of Asscher.

It is NOT a matter of size. It is a matter of cut. I have seen 50 point carre cuts. And ten point asschers.

That is what i instinctly thought.... so this vendor is trying to pull a swifty and I LOVE this forum.

Thanx, Gypsy!

ETA= oh- i think you were meant to say that asshers have the corners cut and carre do not have the corners. But, i knew what you meant.

 

[Gypsy]

Vendor may not be trying to pull anything. Might believe they are right. MANY vendors (especially sales staff or support staff) display shocking ignorance.

Just for kicks do a search on here for asscher threads and you'll see that unless the vendor is REALLY good many STILL call asschers princesses.

I even had a woman correct me once. I told her my stone was an asscher. She told me FIRMLY that I was mistaken and the cut was called princess.

So if the majority can't distinguish between a brilliant square cut with corners and a cut cornered step cut... don't be surprised if they don't understand the technicalities of carre and asschers.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I imagine there are many jewelers who wouldn't know what a carre cut is!!! I went to one once where the salesperson didn't know what milgrain was!

 

[backwardsandinheels]

And to put an even finer point on the Asscher thing, I have seen true vintage Asschers from the 20's I would be comfortable calling Asscher cuts, but I know that the modern ones being cut by Royal Asscher are the branded "official" Asschers of today. I can't believe that lady thought princess and, vehemently so.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

And to put an even finer point on the Asscher thing, I have seen true vintage Asschers from the 20's I would be comfortable calling Asscher cuts, but I know that the modern ones being cut by Royal Asscher are the branded "official" Asschers of today. I can't believe that lady thought princess and, vehemently so.

Mr. Asscher invented the cut back in 1902, so certainly there were asschers around in the 1920's! Royal Asscher does have the brand name "Royal Asscher", and that particular cut is relatively new (2001) has more facets than the orginal asscher. The original patent on the asscher cut ran out long ago and is why there are many others cutting asschers today. I did a little research on this when deciding on a stone for the setting in my avatar. I wanted an antique style square stone.