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Mandarine, I just got a chance to read through this entire thread and I am SO sorry this has happened to you! I really wish you the best of luck with your health and whatever happens going forward with the whole situation.

I am really in awe of the fact that some dog owners can be as ignorant and complacent as the owners of the dog who bit you sound. It just astounds me that people can be so irresponsible and not take the necessary precautions to ensure that this type of thing won''t happen. I actually have a neighbor who is in his 70''s who owns a female rottweiler and walks her about 6 times a day around our neighborhood with NO leash! He carries the leash but doesn''t attach it to her.
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He has told my DH and I over the past 3 years that he has actually been stopped by the police before and ticketed for not having her on a leash, yet he still refuses to leash her...he just carries it "in case" he gets stopped again. She seems to be a nice dog, but loves to "mark" our front yard by rubbing her butt on our grass and peeing on it each time he walks her by our house, which is obviously territorial behavior...we have two beagles now which are only ever outside in our completely fenced in backyard, but the dogs have met on the street and our oldest male beagle tends to want to "hump" the rottweiler, so there is apparently some sort of dominant/aggressive behavior going on with those two. The rott''s owner also allows her to lie on their front porch unleashed for hours at a time. She is not enclosed, and not supervised...I have often wondered when or if she will decide she doesn''t like someone and attack them--hopefully it isn''t me or my dogs because we walk past her occasionally.
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As far as breeds/aggressive traits...as I said above, we have beagles. The oldest is a 30 lb. neutered 3.5 yr. old male. I took him to 16 weeks of obedience training, and he actually bit the instructor (who is touted in our city as a "dog whisperer.")
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The instructor decided during one session of training that Milo needed to be put in his place and proceeded to grab him by the scruff (as you will see Cesar Milan do on the Dog Whisperer t.v. show) and hold him down. Milo wrestled away from his hold and immediately bit his hand, drawing blood. We were not kicked out of the class, but after that everyone in the class was terrified of Milo! It was an awful feeling, but there were a lot of factors which led up to the actual bite/attack, and next thing I knew I had this seemingly sweet, well-mannered dog who was now a "biter."
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That was 2.5 years ago. Since then, Milo has never been off-leash or pinch collar in public, never around children, never left alone/unsupervised with other dogs no matter what size, etc. Dh and I do not have children yet, but I can tell you after that ONE incident, even though it seemed to be not his fault, that I will never, ever, EVER allow my dog to be unsupervised with strangers, children, or my older in-laws or parents. I consider myself and DH totally responsible for whatever might happen and would feel terrible if anything like that ever happened again, and we now understand that no matter what the dog has to be under constant supervision and leashed and collared at all times when he isn''t contained in the secured backyard. He showed one time that he could not be trusted not to bite, and I will do all I possibly can to control situations so that it doesn''t happen in the future. As a child, I was bitten in the face by a Westie (sorry Mara and all the other wonderful PS Westie owners--I still love that breed!) while playing with the owner''s daughter, and thankfully have no scars but I know the damage even a small dog can inflict on a human. That is why I really take the utmost precautionary measures now to make sure my own dogs never get the chance to attack anyone. No matter what size dog you have, as an owner you HAVE to assume responsibility and cover your a*s.

Our 70 yr. old neighbor walking a Rottweiler with no leash is absolutely nuts. There are a ton of small children/teenagers, etc. in our neighborhood, not to mention other older people who walk their small dogs daily...I can''t believe no one has formally complained about him. The thing is that he is super nice, checks in on all of us, knows when we go on vacations/travel, etc. and watches out for our homes, so I suppose none of us want to make an enemy of him. Plus the rott has never caused a problem but who''s to say she won''t...this thread has got me wondering if something needs to be said now. Yeesh.

Anyway, sorry for the super long post. Mandarine, take it easy...you''ve been through a lot! You sound like you have a great attitude and that will carry you through this ordeal. Don''t settle for less than what you deserve, and you deserve the best treatment/ongoing care possible. Oh, and as far as the rott jumping on the window barking at you: that should not happen! The owners again are being totally irresponsible and letting the aggressive behavior continue! Our dogs are NOT allowed to bark at anything walking past the house, whether it is dogs, people, the mailman, etc. We don''t use them as a "security guard." That''s what our ADT system is for!
 
Thank you all!!..
Just wanted to post a quick update since I migh not be able to log back until tomorrow.

My BF is here now...nothing like having someone you love during these times!!! my mom left yesterday morning so I spent all day along..not fun! until my BF got here at night.

My arm is still swollen (not as much though) but the redness went down....thank God!! I have been keeping my arm up as much as possible...I believe it is getting better.

I''m going to the ER now (they had asked me to come back in after 48 hours last time I was there). After that we might spend the day at my BF''s mom because it''s her b-day an she wants me to at least be around (even if is laying in the couch!!)

Thank you all again,

Hugs

M~
 
No, I would never accuse a cop of taking care of a cop - just that - that is what happens.

I''m confused. I know homeowner''s insurance will turn around and try to recover from the individual responsible for the damage. But, I did not think that medical insurance does this. I''ve never seen it happen. In a car accident, someone may try to collect unpaid dispersements. But, blue cross/blue sheild doesn''t turn around and sue themselves in another persons medical insurance. I''ve never heard of this happening. Can someone give an example?
 
Oh Mandarine... what a horrible experience!! Sounds like you are doing all the right things and being well taken care of (well, maybe not by the PCP!)... so hopefully everything will start getting better from here. Gosh, these neighbors don''t realize how lucky they are that their dog attacked a thoughtful, reasonable, caring person rather than a child (God-forbid) or just somebody more vindictive, who might be handling all this in a different way. They should be counting their blessings right now, not starting false rumors. I hate when people cover their own guilt/fear by throwing blame at the least-blameable source.
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so miss mandarine, i just told greg about this whole thing and how nothing is really being done...

his suggestion..call the local television station and talk to investigative reporting. have them get a TV crew over...have them film the dog jumping on the windows barking, have them film your injuries and totally go public. he thinks it would force AC to pay attn but above and beyond that, it would give the local area politicians a need to get involved, they hate that kind of bad press in their city or town or whatever....definitely worth a thought!! and it would just take a call to the local tv station to see if anyone would be interested in the story.

you may even then be able to get a pro bono lawyer (a really good one, not just a friend) to take your case since it''s public etc etc. honestly, i totally believe in making things like this public when the private channels are not acting fast enough or well-enough for you. you may think ''oh lets wait and see what happens'' but i don''t know, i just don''t get the proactive vibe from either AC or anyone else in your situation at all.

good luck gal and keep up the healing!!!
 
Date: 1/13/2007 9:53:30 AM
Author: fire&ice
No, I would never accuse a cop of taking care of a cop - just that - that is what happens.

I''m confused. I know homeowner''s insurance will turn around and try to recover from the individual responsible for the damage. But, I did not think that medical insurance does this. I''ve never seen it happen. In a car accident, someone may try to collect unpaid dispersements. But, blue cross/blue sheild doesn''t turn around and sue themselves in another persons medical insurance. I''ve never heard of this happening. Can someone give an example?
Well.... when my son was attacked we went to the ER and I think we had a $50 copay so we paid that and then there were follow up visits with the prmary forlike $15 out of pocket for us....

.... when the lawsuit was going though the insurance went after their homeowners insurance for the entire medical costs which I don''t know what they were but say 1,000 for ER, $85 for office.... and reimbursed us our copays. So their homeowners had to pay all medical and damages.
 
Date: 1/13/2007 9:53:30 AM
Author: fire&ice

I''m confused. I know homeowner''s insurance will turn around and try to recover from the individual responsible for the damage. But, I did not think that medical insurance does this. I''ve never seen it happen. In a car accident, someone may try to collect unpaid dispersements. But, blue cross/blue sheild doesn''t turn around and sue themselves in another persons medical insurance. I''ve never heard of this happening. Can someone give an example?
It happens all the time, although not if the same ins company insures both parties. But if there are two carriers involved, you can bet the the victim''s carrier will go after reimbursement if it''s available. I did some personal injury law early in my career, and one of the things that happens (or at least, is supposed to happen) when the case settles is that all the carriers and medical providers will divvy up the settlement proceeds before the plaintiff gets his/her check.
 
Ok, back with an update!

Mara, that is a good suggestion but I just don''t want the added pressure. At first I wanted to handle thins as amicable as I could...that didn''t work so I strated being more agressive. I believe we are on the right path now an I''m hopeful things will really be better now.

I really just want to leave this behind me as quickly as I can....I know it will take time. I still want to do what is right....even if they have acted nasty with me. I still need to be able to go to sleep at night and feel ok about the actions I''m taking. I will report the animal control officer and already have the name of the chief investigator in that department. I will write letters in the future to the government agencies in my community and county....laws around these type of incidents need to be stricter. Animal control officers need to be concious of the fact that someone just got attacked and is nervous and confused. They should explain the procedures and give you some kind of papers that explain what will happen and what to expect. This way all victims know they are receiving the same information.

First good news...the dog stopped!!! I haven''t seen him on the windows again jumping an barking!!!..they have their blinds shut. I know he is still there because yesterday I saw him pick at the window as we were pulling in and it looked like someone grabbed him an pulled him out of the window.

I still want to get a pepper spray or something...does anyone know where I can get one?

Secon goo news, I''m in great spirits today!!!. I went to the ER and they said it''s looking like it''s healing great!!!....yayyyy!!!!! so the infection is now gone an my arm can concentrate on healing the tissues rather than concentrating on fighting the infection. They might even take the stitches off on Tuesday and I can already start taking normal showers (I was covering my arm with a plastic bag) just being careful, of course, and patting it dry. I don''t think I can bring myself to touching it, so my BF will have to help me in that department!

And lastly, we walked to the HOA''s house today (I found his address through the public records). We found him as he was pulling in so he had nowhere to hide
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. When I said who I was he definitely got nervous. I said I sent him an e-mail and he said he didn''t get it (right, just like he didn''t get the one the property management sent him!!!). I started talking and made it clear I wasn''t taking action against the HOA or management company....then his behavior changed completely and he was much more relaxed and nice. I think that is why he had not contacted me yet, they were probably going through their own lawyers first. He said he believes there might not be a weight restriction by-law anymore, although he wasn''t sure. He knew there was a pitbull restriction though. He said not to worry, that he was sure their lawyers will find some way to get that dog out of here...even if there is no by-law against having him in the first place.....they could still make a case since he did attack me. In the end he was nice and supportive...so that''s good.

I told him about the other neighbor that has the pitbull. When I told him the house number he said..."oh yeah, that''s the house that we have received some reports on because the teenager there has done some property damage to the community and has been seen around here with his friends smoking pot". This is the kid who suppossedly my dog attacked...or so his mom said!!....

Funny to find out the kind of neighbors I actually have!! and I live in a nice area!!!

I am writing everything down as you all suggested...

Today at the ER they wante to charge me $100 for my co-pay (first time they try to charge me an I''ve been there 4 times already!!!). I asked if they coul just consolidate everything and bill me. He agreed, so for now I''ve only had to pay the cost of my medicines (the cost I pay after my prescription coverage) and dressings for the wounds (I have every single receipt!!).

So that''s it for today. I was hoping my BF would try to cheer me up with a ring, but he didn''t! hahaha...just kiding, I want to get engaged when I can actually celebrate it!!!
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You have all been great through this!!! Thanks

M~
 
Oh Madarine, things are looking up for you, so glad to hear that. What a riot about catching the HOA guy as he was pulling in. I''m sure your BF is helping to cheer you up. Again, thanks for the update!!! Good luck with everything!!!
 
Mandarine, I''m so glad your arm is healing. It looks as if you''ll be forced to play hardball with the dog''s owners. Mara''s suggestion is a good one . As much as you want to put this horrendous thing behind you, you might have to go to court and/or the media. Don''t let anyone intimidate you.
 
Hi everyone!
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Just wanted to drop by and let you all know I''m feeling 100 times better!. It''s amazing the power of recovery our bodies have!. It still hurts, but not enough to take any medication (I hate taking medication). So all I''m taking now is the antibiotics (which they extnded for 5 more days just to be sure). I''m off the pain killers and the anxiety medicine....last night I had a hard time sleeping, but I need to get used to sleeping without any "help" again.
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My BF saw the dog owners (the girl with her BF) and the dog last night at about 11pm...guess who was holding the leash??...the girl!!!!!!!!
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. These people have truly convinced themselves that their dog is not a danger to anyone!. In the ER, the day this happenned, I told them that one of the things that I asked of them is that the girl never walked the dog again!!! since she could obviously not keep him under control!.....I just don''t get it.....they''re just willing to take the chance of this happening again!.

This morning the guy came out to walk the dog at the same time me and my BF were walking our dog... I stopped as soon as I saw him and let him walk away far enough...and then I sneaked back into my house as quickly as I could!. I saw them out the window as they walked back. The dog is wearing a muzzle, but just one of those velcro/fabric things....is that even enough??

The HOA President is coming over tonight after he speaks to the community''s lawyer today. Hopefully he will have good news for me. I went to Barnes&Noble yesterday and did a little research. If the HOA doesn''t take the dog out, and the dog attacks someone else (I pray that he won''t!)...then the HOA will absolutely be liable for the incident since they were already aware that the dog had attacked once. So the way I see it, they wouldn''t be doing me a favor by taking the dog out of here...they would also be covering their backs, so it''s in their best interest to react. I will make sure I sort of mention that today to him.

The letter form my lawyer to the neighbors is going out today (regular and certified mail).

I''m back at work (working from home today though!). I can''t wait to get back to my routine
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. Who knew I would miss exercising so much...hehe. The stitches come out tomorrow
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M~
 
Glad to hear that you are doing better! I hope the meeting goes well tonight and HOA is receptive instead of defensive. So happy to hear you are healing though!

*M*
 
Mandarine,

You have handled this situation with such an amazing attitude, kudos to you. I''m so glad to hear you are feeling better and hope that things work out for the best. You more than deserve it.

~K
 
Thank you Poptart!! and thank you Kimberly!!!!!!!

I just re-read my entire thread (now that my head is where it should be!). You all have great advice.

I have learned so much from this experience already and I do believe everything happens for a reason!.

Last night I saw the wounds and tears came down....I told my BF that maybe I won't be able to wear a sleveless dress at our wedding like I would have wanted to. He said not to worry!...that nobody was going to be paying attention to my arm because I will be glowing regardless and that's what they will see, so I can wear whatever I wanted
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...so cute...little things that make me smile!

Once I get better I'm going to classes with my doggie like Cehrabehra suggested. He's going to be the best doggie..he already is, but he could use some extra training
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I've also learned a lot about people. Not just the bad and ugly side of the neighbors...but have seen the care and love from my family and friends.

My little sister gave me a card that said "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade.....", "but when life hands you a load of cr@p, don't make anything....Trust me on this one"!...hehe. So I'm not making anything out of it, but I am learning a lot and moving on!!

Thank you all again
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M~
 
Don''t worry about the scarring Mandarine! The doctors will let you know what to do so that you end up with as few scars as possible. And you BF is right, you''ll look radiant no matter what!

*M*
 
Mandarine: I''ve been following this post, but I might have missed it....

Have you contacted animal control yet?

If not you need to do that first, before anything else.

Hope you are feeling well, and don''t worry about your arms...that''s why Ulta carries "Dermablend" cosmetics. It''ll cover anything and won''t rub off.

You''ll be a beautiful bride. As soon as the wounds heal, put mederma on the marks, so no scars form. You''ll be ok honey!

Jeannine
 
Glad to see your spirits up and the infection down! Take care.
 
Thank you girls!. Jeannine - I did call animal control. Actually the cops were suppossed to forward the case to animal control the day it happenned, but I called animal control 2 days after and they had still not received it! so I re-reported the incident. AC was pretty much usless though. The owners do get a $500 fine...and the dog might be required to wear a muzzle, it''s pretty ridiculous.

Anyway, great news!
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The HOA Preseident called me. He called me right after I was coming in from walking my dog and the neighbor''s son came outside (without the dog) but scared the heck out of me!!!!!!!!. I thought maybe he had his dog with him and I freaked....it took me a while to catch my breath once I came into the house!. Then the phone rings and it''s the HOA''s President. He asked me for more details, I try to tell him and I apologized for being out of breath (I told him I was just scared because I had seen the neighbors, because lately this is how I live...freaked out in my own house!). He said it''s ok and then says they will give them a violation and ask them to either remove the dog OR require them to have the dog wear a muzzle.

Well, it''s a good thing I was upset at that time...because I went off on him!. I said he wasn''t doing ME a favor and it would be irresponsible if the association did not require that the dog be taken out of here. Muzzled or not, this dog could still attack someone and do some damage (I have a deep puncture wound from a NAIL!!) and IF he didattack, then the community WILL be held liable since I had already reported to them that this dog was dangerous (my research paid off!). I said I wasn''t just looking out for myself, but for the safety and well being of everyone here!! plus if the dog did attack again and the community got sued....where do you think that money comes from!!?? The homeowners'' fees!!!.

So anyway...he got the point. He said he would keep me updated and blah blah..... but then I called him back to ask him for a copy of the by-laws and he said he would drop them off this week and they were actually drafting the letter to my neighbors to ask that the REMOVE the dog immediately from this community
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So hopefully that''s the end of that!. Even if there is no law against him being here there is always something in the by-laws that say that it''s the HOA''s responsibility to ensure our community is safe or something...so this would fall under that umbrella.

I''m really hoping they just comply and take the dog out...or better yet, move out!

*fingers crossed*

I''m doing a happy dance...I know it''s too early to claim victory, but I''m praying this goes my way!.


M~
 
Great job standing your ground Mandarine!!!
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*M*
 
That is great news Mandarine, keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you!!!! Great job!!!!
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HOA Association in FL

Hey Mandarine

The HOA can levy a fine sometime even on a daily basis, if your neighbor doesn''t comply with the rules of the HOA.
The can also places liens on the property.


It is also common in FL that there are restrictions as to the number of pet, as well as the weight of the pet too in many of the communities. When you get the By Laws, that should inform you as to that communties specific rules.

You also have the right to examine the records of the HOA relevant to these sort of complaints. The HOA does have an obligation to treat such complaints equally. It is good to research with like complaints previously to see how they''ve dealt with them.

Rockdoc
 
Great job Mandarine! I have to say that I am glad you were mad when he called and DOUBLY glad you did your research on how the HOA would be liable if this were to happen again. That clearly is a very strong and valid argument. I''m glad the dog is being told to leave...for your safety and sanity! You shouldn''t have to live in fear of walking outside your own house!
 
go mandarine. the other thing ... i don''t know how involved your community is but my HOA and the other community that flanks us''s HOA are kind of entertwined and there is a mailing list that i am on where people send out notices if they see sketchy activity etc. these people are seriously committed to the community and a few are total busybodies who have no day jobs but just walk around the community looking at everything!! sometimes it drives me nuts but at least i know we are safer because of it. if this happened in our community, it would be emailed out the day of and people would be ON IT...and ON THE HOA to take care of it. so i don''t know if you have anything like that in your community, but spread the word. the more pressure on the HOA to take care of it (and the more people aware of it) the better. keep it up and hope you are healing !!
 
Mandarine, I've been gone for a couple of days but wanted to check in and see how you are doing! I want to tell you I am proud of the way you have handled this. You did not rush to sue anyone, and you simply wanted the dog removed for the safety of the neighborhood and your medical bills paid. I am glad the HOA decided to do the right thing after you pointed out THEIR liability! I'm betting those by-laws are being re-written as we speak (or write)
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Hopefully the dog will be gone soon and you can put this behind you!
 
Great news!
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It''s a shame that the HOA can''t make those people move away, too.
 
This is encouraging news, please keep us posted!
 
Date: 1/16/2007 9:15:10 AM
Author: Ellen
This is encouraging news, please keep us posted!
Ditto! Hang in there Mandarine, so glad you are feeling better and things are beginning to sort out for you
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Good for you for keeping on top of this and not giving up! Looks like progress is being made.
 
Go you! Good thing you stood your ground!
 
Mandarine: You "rock" girl (haha ps joke) and I''m so proud of you for laying into the HOA pres. Bad doggie be gone! I''m sorry you are so fearful (but can''t say I blame you, I''d be the same way) however, this is encouraging news!

Jeannine
 
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