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Apparently George Anthony -- Casey''s father, Caylee''s grandfather -- was reported missing, and recently found at a Hawaiian Inn Motel claiming to want to kill himself and saying he was suicidal...he is now being held in a mental hospital pending further developments....

Guilt for rasing a murderer, maybe?
 
Date: 1/23/2009 10:12:46 AM
Author:Italiahaircolor
Apparently George Anthony -- Casey''s father, Caylee''s grandfather -- was reported missing, and recently found at a Hawaiian Inn Motel claiming to want to kill himself and saying he was suicidal...he is now being held in a mental hospital pending further developments....

Guilt for rasing a murderer, maybe?
Oh, my goodness, that is really uncalled for, Italia. These people are devastated. Please don''t say that everything a child does is the parents'' fault. Just wait until you have a few kids and you''ll understand.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 10:15:31 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006


Date: 1/23/2009 10:12:46 AM
Author:Italiahaircolor
Apparently George Anthony -- Casey's father, Caylee's grandfather -- was reported missing, and recently found at a Hawaiian Inn Motel claiming to want to kill himself and saying he was suicidal...he is now being held in a mental hospital pending further developments....

Guilt for rasing a murderer, maybe?
Oh, my goodness, that is really uncalled for, Italia. These people are devastated. Please don't say that everything a child does is the parents' fault. Just wait until you have a few kids and you'll understand.
No, of course not everything a child does is the parents fault--thats a absolutely stupid notion, and one no one believes.

However, these specific parents -- George and Cindy Anthony -- created a monster. Diamondseeker, have you followed the case? Do you understand that there have been multiple, multiple instances in which George and Cindy had the opportunity to teach Casey right from wrong and yet failed to do so? Like the time that Casey was caught stealing money, and rather than hold Casey responsible, her parents took money from their savings account to pay off her crime (and, it so turns out, Casy continued to steal money from people right up until the time that she was arrested)? Or, how about the fact that Casey lied about even being pregnant, and no one thought to question?

There are people in this world, Diamondseeker, who do everything possible to raise a healthy, normal, well adjusted, productive member of society...they make the effort every day to teach their child right from wrong...But, there are also parents out there who choose the road of least resistance (example: George and Cindy Anthony) and those are the parents that opt to do nothing time and time and time again when their child continues to mess up. And those are parents, who opt friendship over parenthood, who must be held, on some level, morally responsible for the failures of their child. That is my honest opinion, and I'm sorry if you feel differently.

Maybe Casey would have killed Caylee regardless of how she was raised and lessons she was taught, and the values that were instilled in her...hey, there are some genuine pyschopathes in this world....but, maybe if Casey had learned early on that there are actual consequences to her actions she would at least thought twice. Maybe if Casey knew that there wasn't always someone to bail her out of her latest f'up...or turn a blind eye to bad behavior...maybe things would have worked out differently...maybe...

Casey is a corrupt human...mentally defective. And the fact that George and Cindy Anthony knew this and ignored it...there is guilt there, maybe not legally but certainly a basic human level.

And you're right, I don't have children--so what could I possibly know? Ha. Well, this is what I know...I desperately want a baby...I would anything for a healthy child of my own. So, watching a mother think so little of human life that she could throw her daughter away like garbage enrages me on a level you cannot possibly understand, because as a parent you don't know that longing and frusteration.
 
Uhh....am I the only one detecting a tone? lol
 
Date: 1/23/2009 10:43:14 AM
Author: luckystar112
Uhh....am I the only one detecting a tone? lol
Not from me, only clarifying my stance on the issue.
 
Italia, love is blind, as they say. No one thinks their child is capable of murder. And there are no perfect parents. You are reading some of the mistakes they made, but you were not there in their household for all the times they might have done things the right way. I am not defending them because I never put a lot of stock in what I read in the media, nor have I really studied this case. It is hard to know the whole truth. But even if they made some very bad choices, it does not make them responsible for turning Casey into a murderer. I think they made a huge mistake making her keep the baby when she wanted to give her up for adoption. Or they could have adopted the child themselves and not given Casey responsibility for the child. yes, they were obviously wrong in some areas...but hindsight makes everything totally clear, doesn''t it?

I just know that I have one child that has made some very bad choices and one child who has been a model child. We raised them as best we could and they have made their own choices and decisions, and we don''t take the credit or blame for the good and bad choices. That is theirs.
 
Its rude & cruel to be flip about suicide. Have you never dealt with mental illness? Good for you. Compassion goes a long way, however -- especially since you're hoping to be a parent yourself.


ETA: Just like hot-button issues like rape & discrimination ... you don't know what other posters have been through. Tread carefully.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 11:00:02 AM
Author: decodelighted
Its rude & cruel to be flip about suicide. Have you never dealt with mental illness? Good for you. Compassion goes a long way, however -- especially since you're hoping to be a parent yourself.
I am not being "flip"...he feels guilty...thats the facts.

And please, you all presume to know so much about what I know verus what I don't...very interesting...in both of the responses, both you ladies have had comments about where I stand on this issue, and for the record--as far as what I've been exposed to--both of you wrong.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 10:54:04 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Italia, love is blind, as they say. No one thinks their child is capable of murder. And there are no perfect parents. You are reading some of the mistakes they made, but you were not there in their household for all the times they might have done things the right way. I am not defending them because I never put a lot of stock in what I read in the media, nor have I really studied this case. It is hard to know the whole truth. But even if they made some very bad choices, it does not make them responsible for turning Casey into a murderer. I think they made a huge mistake making her keep the baby when she wanted to give her up for adoption. Or they could have adopted the child themselves and not given Casey responsibility for the child. yes, they were obviously wrong in some areas...but hindsight makes everything totally clear, doesn''t it?

I just know that I have one child that has made some very bad choices and one child who has been a model child. We raised them as best we could and they have made their own choices and decisions, and we don''t take the credit or blame for the good and bad choices. That is theirs.
I was talking to one of my best friends about this. She''s straight as an arrow, doesn''t smoke, drink, or do drugs, goes to church, works at a church, probably returns her library books on time too . . . and her brother is in prison for armed robbery and drug convictions.

I will agree with you that parents can do a whole lot of stuff right and still not have their children turn out the way that they want.

However, I also live in Orlando. While I personally have a lot of compassion for George Anthony for losing his granddaughter and his daughter, I also have a lot of anger toward the Anthony family. Their behaviors have gone above and beyond trying to support their daughter, and crossed over into obstructing justice. I think that a lot of the harsh statements against them stem from some of their actions.

I still think that people should give them a break because God only knows what you would do when your own child is facing the death penalty.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 11:03:42 AM
Author: MaggieB


Date: 1/23/2009 10:54:04 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Italia, love is blind, as they say. No one thinks their child is capable of murder. And there are no perfect parents. You are reading some of the mistakes they made, but you were not there in their household for all the times they might have done things the right way. I am not defending them because I never put a lot of stock in what I read in the media, nor have I really studied this case. It is hard to know the whole truth. But even if they made some very bad choices, it does not make them responsible for turning Casey into a murderer. I think they made a huge mistake making her keep the baby when she wanted to give her up for adoption. Or they could have adopted the child themselves and not given Casey responsibility for the child. yes, they were obviously wrong in some areas...but hindsight makes everything totally clear, doesn't it?

I just know that I have one child that has made some very bad choices and one child who has been a model child. We raised them as best we could and they have made their own choices and decisions, and we don't take the credit or blame for the good and bad choices. That is theirs.
I was talking to one of my best friends about this. She's straight as an arrow, doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs, goes to church, works at a church, probably returns her library books on time too . . . and her brother is in prison for armed robbery and drug convictions.

I will agree with you that parents can do a whole lot of stuff right and still not have their children turn out the way that they want.

However, I also live in Orlando. While I personally have a lot of compassion for George Anthony for losing his granddaughter and his daughter, I also have a lot of anger toward the Anthony family. Their behaviors have gone above and beyond trying to support their daughter, and crossed over into obstructing justice. I think that a lot of the harsh statements against them stem from some of their actions.

I still think that people should give them a break because God only knows what you would do when your own child is facing the death penalty.
Casey is no longer facing the death penalty, she is only facing life in prision.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 11:00:02 AM
Author: decodelighted
Its rude & cruel to be flip about suicide. Have you never dealt with mental illness? Good for you. Compassion goes a long way, however -- especially since you''re hoping to be a parent yourself.


ETA: Just like hot-button issues like rape & discrimination ... you don''t know what other posters have been through. Tread carefully.
Word.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 11:11:04 AM
Author: Kaleigh
Date: 1/23/2009 11:00:02 AM

Author: decodelighted

Its rude & cruel to be flip about suicide. Have you never dealt with mental illness? Good for you. Compassion goes a long way, however -- especially since you''re hoping to be a parent yourself.



ETA: Just like hot-button issues like rape & discrimination ... you don''t know what other posters have been through. Tread carefully.
Word.

Ditto that.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 11:02:46 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Date: 1/23/2009 11:00:02 AM
Author: decodelighted
Its rude & cruel to be flip about suicide. Have you never dealt with mental illness? Good for you. Compassion goes a long way, however -- especially since you're hoping to be a parent yourself.
I am not being 'flip'...he feels guilty...thats the facts.
RIDICULOUS. Your personal guess about his motives is just that: a personal guess. Another guess: GRIEF. Another guess: DEPRESSION. Another guess: POWERLESSNESS.

But go ahead & wrap things with your particular sort of bow & proclaim it as "fact". I trust folks won't be too terribly swayed.
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And, for the record, I don''t believe George Anthony to be clinically mentally ill...I think he feels horribly guilty...I think that it''s all becoming very real for him and terribly reality is setting in. He probably hates the fact that they "joked" about giving the dogs tooth brush to the police instead of Caylees'', and messing around with the Caylees'' hair sample.

This family built walls around their daughter to protect her, when all the time history was just repeating itself, Casey was again lying and decieving everyone. And I''m sure in the wake of everything, George feels horrible remorse and sadness over the loss of their grandchild...it''s a terribly thing. And my heart goes out to the family as far as Caylees'' death in concerned.

I''m sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn''t my intention...but this case is a hot button, and there is no innocent party invovled aside from Caylee.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 11:20:28 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
And, for the record, I don''t believe George Anthony to be clinically mentally ill...I think he feels horribly guilty...I think that it''s all becoming very real for him and terribly reality is setting in. He probably hates the fact that they ''joked'' about giving the dogs tooth brush to the police instead of Caylees'', and messing around with the Caylees'' hair sample.

You "think", you "think", and "probably" are hardly facts.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 11:29:59 AM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 1/23/2009 11:20:28 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
And, for the record, I don''t believe George Anthony to be clinically mentally ill...I think he feels horribly guilty...I think that it''s all becoming very real for him and terribly reality is setting in. He probably hates the fact that they ''joked'' about giving the dogs tooth brush to the police instead of Caylees'', and messing around with the Caylees'' hair sample.

You ''think'', you ''think'', and ''probably'' are hardly facts.
Would you like me to list the facts of the case for you? It''s hardly going to paint a pretty picture....
 
My prayers go out to this family. Regardless of what they did, or didn''t do "right" according to any of us, I will bet the farm they never thought they''d be faced with this situation.

Having a child doesn''t automatically make one a good parent, anymore than a 16 year old getting their drivers licence makes them a good driver. It takes some practice, and often some near misses/accidents to get a grip on things. Most go on to be good drivers, but some don''t. They just never get a handle on things.

So too, in most cases, parents find their groove and go on to raise a child with their best interest at heart, even if that means making tough choices. But again, some don''t, for whatever reason. I am certain though, no matter what "mistakes" a parent may make, do they ever dream they are raising a potential sociopathic killer. And chastising them now, makes about as much sense as chastising a 45 year old driver who just had their 11th wreck and is laying on their deathbed in the hospital.

What is the point?


From a mother of 3.
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Date: 1/23/2009 11:55:35 AM
Author: Ellen
My prayers go out to this family. Regardless of what they did, or didn''t do ''right'' according to any of us, I will bet the farm they never thought they''d be faced with this situation.

Having a child doesn''t automatically make one a good parent, anymore than a 16 year old getting their drivers licence makes them a good driver. It takes some practice, and often some near misses/accidents to get a grip on things. Most go on to be good drivers, but some don''t. They just never get a handle on things.

So too, in most cases, parents find their groove and go on to raise a child with their best interest at heart, even if that means making tough choices. But again, some don''t, for whatever reason. I am certain though, no matter what ''mistakes'' a parent may make, do they ever dream they are raising a potential sociopathic killer. And chastising them now, makes about as much sense as chastising a 45 year old driver who just had their 11th wreck and is laying on their deathbed in the hospital.

What is the point?


From a mother of 3.
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Thank you.
 
I know that i am going to get jumped on for this but i agree with Italia.. in one of his intial interviews, George Anthony told police that he doesn''t want to have to admit that his daughter is capable of doing something like this but he will never forget ''that'' smell in the car. then all of a sudden he goes on larry king the night before Caylee was found and stutters about how he now knows how badly pizza smells when it is in a trunk for 19 days.... there was NO pizza in that car. there was a pizza box- but NO PIZZA. it is my opinion that AT LEAST George knew the entire time that Casey killed his granddaughter and it is probably catching up on him.

As a father of a sociopath and grandfather of a slain 2 year old he must be devestated. i feel for that family. Rather than fight the police however, they should work with them. enough is enough.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 10:12:46 AM
Author:Italiahaircolor
Apparently George Anthony -- Casey''s father, Caylee''s grandfather -- was reported missing, and recently found at a Hawaiian Inn Motel claiming to want to kill himself and saying he was suicidal...he is now being held in a mental hospital pending further developments....

Guilt for rasing a murderer, maybe?
Or despair.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 12:37:01 PM
Author: SanDiegoLady


Date: 1/23/2009 10:12:46 AM
Author:Italiahaircolor
Apparently George Anthony -- Casey's father, Caylee's grandfather -- was reported missing, and recently found at a Hawaiian Inn Motel claiming to want to kill himself and saying he was suicidal...he is now being held in a mental hospital pending further developments....

Guilt for rasing a murderer, maybe?
I try very hard not to look at this part of the forum's threads and I try not to say anything that might hurt someone else's feelings because its just who I am.. however..

That's VERY unkind, VERY ugly thing for you to say.

Perhaps you have never been on the other end.

NO family should have to endure the death of a child, grandchild or whatever other title. Given the trauma that family has gone through at the hands of that pos, I am shocked it didnt come earlier. all the emotional turmoil and heartache, it is not unreasonable to have a family member feel this way and its TRAGIC. That pos Casey is the ONLY person to blame to Caylee's death. HE did not raise a murderer, that maniac pos is selfish and has played murdering her beautiful child to the hilt. How could anyone let alone the child's own Mother hurt a child in the fashion she did? Its hideous beyond words.

My MIL's sister was murdered when she was just 16. Those handling the 'case' drilled the family into the ground trying to get one of them, including my mil to confess. The case was not solved but came dang close to being solved when everything about it disappeared. The person who was believed to have murdered her had family ties to the Mayor and then some including what may have been organized crime... heaven forbid during that time that a black shadow be cast. As recent as LAST YEAR there was a reporter who wrote about the case and my mil's sister in a severely desparaging manner. The hurt my mil relayed to us was heart wrenching.
Okay, enough is enough...yes, my family knows the pain of losing a child....many years ago my half sister, who was 3 years old at the time was killed in a furnance fire, and believe me, my father has never been same again. So I understand a small part of the loss they feel, believe me, I sure a heck do. And from what we've lived through within our family, I can tell you first hand that the pain is like nothing else...my father mourns his daughter every single day...so I get that, I understand that. But never once did my father stand in the way of the investigation or falsify evidence or mislead investigators. He would have never dreamt of giving a dogs tooth brush when the forensic teams was trying to identify Amy (although, DNA wasn't available at the time this happened).

When I began this thread it was about George Anthony and not about blanket parenting skills. It was about one grandfather who has flip flopped since day one when it comes to the truths about this case and is now suicidal for reasons still unknown. It is my suspicion that after everything he has done that he may feel some level of guilt. Do I know that for a fact? No. Of course not. It is also my suspicion that he is out of his mind with grief and remorse. But the fact is, that if we believe Casey murdered her daughter Caylee...and George is Casey's father...then he did raise a girl who ended up being a murderer...and that, I assume would weigh heavily on his mind during this terrible time, he probably wonders all the time if he missed something that might have changed everything. And if, by some small chance I am right, that would probably drive someone over the edge.
 
I have a friend whose brother, a beloved and seemingly normal 17 yr old at the time, stabbed to death a woman he knew, left her for dead (she probably wasn't dead immediately), and set her house on fire to cover the crime. And stupidly, as if murder and arson weren't bad enough, stole her car, some money, and her credit cards; using those items to party in Austin at a rock concert -- the very night he murdered her.

For YEARS, my friend didn't sleep at night. Every time she closed her eyes, she saw this tragedy. Every time she woke up, she relived this tragedy. Every time a holiday, family birthday, important event happened in her life . . . it was marred by her brother's crime and what it had done to her family. She sought therapy. She gained weight because eating was comfort. She began to drink so that she could forget, maybe for a minute or two, what had happened. It was YEARS before she could get through a day without the enormity of her brother's crime, and his being in prison for life (without parole), being the focus of her day. She spent countless hours reviewing in her mind what role her family may have played in creating this psychopath.

I cannot think of anything more horrendous, except the possiblity of a member of your own family murdered . . . . by a member of your own family.
 
Italia, you have no grounds to make any of these claims as to his motivation for being suicidal. Depression is a bad bad bad thing to go through, and only his psychologists and psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have the training to make any claims why he is the way he is at the moment.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 1:23:12 PM
Author: HollyS
I have a friend whose brother, a beloved and seemingly normal 17 yr old at the time, stabbed to death a woman he knew, left her for dead (she probably wasn''t dead immediately), and set her house on fire to cover the crime. And stupidly, as if murder and arson weren''t bad enough, stole her car, some money, and her credit cards; using those items to party in Austin at a rock concert -- the very night he murdered her.

For YEARS, my friend didn''t sleep at night. Every time she closed her eyes, she saw this tragedy. Every time she woke up, she relived this tragedy. Every time a holiday, family birthday, important event happened in her life . . . it was marred by her brother''s crime and what it had done to her family. She sought therapy. She gained weight because eating was comfort. She began to drink so that she could forget, maybe for a minute or two, what had happened. It was YEARS before she could get through a day without the enormity of her brother''s crime, and his being in prison for life (without parole), being the focus of her day. She spent countless hours reviewing in her mind what role her family may have played in creating this psychopath.

I cannot think of anything more horrendous, except the possiblity of a member of your own family murdered . . . . by a member of your own family.
I am so sorry for your friend...that must have been heartbreaking for her to endure. My heart goes out to her.
 
I''m not going to jump all over you, because I know you are just reacting to a very nasty crime. Your disgust is natural and normal. We all have strong reactions to things in the news, be they knee-jerk reactions or not.

Caylee''s grandparents were afraid of this. Regardless of their actions along the way, Caylee would still be in that makeshift grave if her grandmother had never notified the police of her suspicions. They are living the kind of hell we can''t even imagine . . . and blaming themselves far more than you know.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 4:08:39 PM
Author: HollyS
I''m not going to jump all over you, because I know you are just reacting to a very nasty crime. Your disgust is natural and normal. We all have strong reactions to things in the news, be they knee-jerk reactions or not.

Caylee''s grandparents were afraid of this. Regardless of their actions along the way, Caylee would still be in that makeshift grave if her grandmother had never notified the police of her suspicions. They are living the kind of hell we can''t even imagine . . . and blaming themselves far more than you know.
I agree with Holly. (I just like getting to say that every once and awhile)
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Are you SERIOUS???!!! Wow, that's some news.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 1:47:43 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Italia, you have no grounds to make any of these claims as to his motivation for being suicidal. Depression is a bad bad bad thing to go through, and only his psychologists and psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have the training to make any claims why he is the way he is at the moment.
You''re right, I''m not a professional by any means...hence the "maybe" in the OP.
 
Date: 1/23/2009 1:02:08 PM
Author: HollyS
Date: 1/23/2009 10:12:46 AM

Author:Italiahaircolor

Apparently George Anthony -- Casey''s father, Caylee''s grandfather -- was reported missing, and recently found at a Hawaiian Inn Motel claiming to want to kill himself and saying he was suicidal...he is now being held in a mental hospital pending further developments....


Guilt for rasing a murderer, maybe?

Or despair.


I agree. I feel sick about what happened to this little girl. Imagine how he feels. That sweet little girl was his grand daughter.
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Date: 1/23/2009 4:08:39 PM
Author: HollyS
I''m not going to jump all over you, because I know you are just reacting to a very nasty crime. Your disgust is natural and normal. We all have strong reactions to things in the news, be they knee-jerk reactions or not.

Caylee''s grandparents were afraid of this. Regardless of their actions along the way, Caylee would still be in that makeshift grave if her grandmother had never notified the police of her suspicions. They are living the kind of hell we can''t even imagine . . . and blaming themselves far more than you know.
I could go along with all that, but I personally find that hard to believe when they spent months trying to mislead investigators...even after it had come out that their daughter had lied about practically everything.

I mean, they are still selling "find Caylee" tee-shirts on a myspace page the proceeds of which are going to help pay for the cost of defending their daughter.

And you''re right, had Cindy not called 9-11, Caylee probably would have just vanished into thin...but the fact is, George is an ex-cop, Cindy is a nurse and they knew what the smelt right from the beginning...and yet after than inital phone call, they spend the following months trying to "take it back" when clearly something was not right.

Whats that age old saying...if you''re not part of the solution, you''re part of the problem? I could even understand them doing nothing to neither help nor hide because they loved both girls... but they hurt the investigation...they kicked Equasearch out, gave a dogs tooth brush...those things haunt me to no end...and maybe I''m judgemental, but it''s not without basis or reason.
 
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