Caylee Anthony''s Grandfather found...threatening suicide...

[Dreamgirl]

Date: 1/23/2009 4:19:45 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor

Date: 1/23/2009 1:47:43 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Italia, you have no grounds to make any of these claims as to his motivation for being suicidal. Depression is a bad bad bad thing to go through, and only his psychologists and psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have the training to make any claims why he is the way he is at the moment.

You''re right, I''m not a professional by any means...hence the ''maybe'' in the OP.

You know.......I''m SO TIRED of all the fighting on PS today. It''s INSANE. I don''t see anything wrong with what you said Italia.......

 

[somethingshiny]

I don't usually post in this forum because of all the HOT buttons around here, but...

Italia~ I believe your initial post was facts taken from News stories. Then a question. I've followed up on the facts myself. As for your question, I think he may have been suicidal for several reasons including guilt. Whatever his parental decisions were or were not, his child is a murderer. Guilt would definitely be a natural emotion at this point and with enough guilt suicide may have been the plan.

Personally, I think many things have been done wrong, led wrong, etc throughout this case, not just by the Anthony's.

The fact that he left a long note, IMO, says that he was trying to spill the beans on something. I wonder what those beans may be.

 

[luckystar112]

I, too, wonder what the suicide note said. I''m going to have to find some articles on this to figure out how they found him...how he was planning on killing himself, etc.

Italia, I actually agree with you. I think the grandparents went above and beyond trying to make it as hard as possible for the investigators. Were they acting out of desperation? I don''t know.

Did anyone hear the latest news re: the body? Apparently Casey put a heart sticker on the duct tape used to cover Caylee''s mouth.*

I just think that is so sick and heartbreaking.


*Assuming Casey is the killer, which I believe to be true.

 

[purrfectpear]

Date: 1/23/2009 12:35:33 PM
Author: cbs102
I know that i am going to get jumped on for this but i agree with Italia.. in one of his intial interviews, George Anthony told police that he doesn''t want to have to admit that his daughter is capable of doing something like this but he will never forget ''that'' smell in the car. then all of a sudden he goes on larry king the night before Caylee was found and stutters about how he now knows how badly pizza smells when it is in a trunk for 19 days.... there was NO pizza in that car. there was a pizza box- but NO PIZZA. it is my opinion that AT LEAST George knew the entire time that Casey killed his granddaughter and it is probably catching up on him.

As a father of a sociopath and grandfather of a slain 2 year old he must be devestated. i feel for that family. Rather than fight the police however, they should work with them. enough is enough.

He''s a former cop. He knew very well what decomposition smelled like (hint, it ain''t old pizza).

I have ZERO sympathy for him. He knew. After the fact, yes - but still he KNEW - and let volunteers go out searching

I could care less if he does himself in. It''s between him and his conscience.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Thank you Dreamgirl, Somethingshinny, purrfectpear & luckystar...for a while there I was feeling a bit ganged up on. Oh well, it is a forum after all!!

Luckystar, he wrote a 5 page suicide letter along with messaging out suicidal text messages....they haven''t released any of the details as to what the letter or texts included. I also heart about the tiny heart sticker on the duct tape...it was like a kick to the gut...so heartbreaking.

Dreamgirl, your post made me smile...I know you got hit with it on LIW earlier today...but you know what, it''s a forum...and part of the reason I love it so much is because I believe even when we disagree and bicker back and forth it forces you to think differently or at least look at things differently because these are all woman that I respect. But, that doesn''t mean I''m changing my stance on this subject.

 

[MaggieB]

Date: 1/23/2009 5:27:40 PM
Author: luckystar112
I, too, wonder what the suicide note said. I''m going to have to find some articles on this to figure out how they found him...how he was planning on killing himself, etc.

Italia, I actually agree with you. I think the grandparents went above and beyond trying to make it as hard as possible for the investigators. Were they acting out of desperation? I don''t know.

Did anyone hear the latest news re: the body? Apparently Casey put a heart sticker on the duct tape used to cover Caylee''s mouth.*

I just think that is so sick and heartbreaking.


*Assuming Casey is the killer, which I believe to be true.

This is what is out in Orlando about the suicide note:

Sources told Eyewitness News, in the letter, George mentioned that he wanted to go to heaven; he only mentioned Casey Anthony a few times and said she was a strong determined person.

Sources said George focused the letter mainly on Caylee, Cindy, Lee and Lee''s girlfriend, Mallory; he told Cindy he was a failure as a husband and a father and went on to say Lee was a great son and he was proud of the man he had become.

Sources said there were no clues into Caylee''s death mentioned in the letter.

Conway said he doesn''t believe the recent revelation that a heart sticker had been put over tape covering Caylee''s mouth had anything to do with George''s recent cry for help. He believes George has been suffering through the entire ordeal.

"If you ask George how he''s doing, he will always tell you he''s okay. He''s not okay," Conway said.

People close to George Anthony told Eyewitness News he may have been dealing with depression even before Caylee''s death.

 

[SharonNJ]

I agree, the grandparents are accomplices in this crime, trying to protect their daughter may just be their downfall, why would he have left the home and been found in a hotel threatening suicide if they had nothing to do with it?

 

[FrekeChild]

Because people can have other issues than what''s in the public realm.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/24/2009 2:41:43 AM
Author: SharonNJ
I agree, the grandparents are accomplices in this crime, trying to protect their daughter may just be their downfall, why would he have left the home and been found in a hotel threatening suicide if they had nothing to do with it?

How about when everything in your life is falling apart? First your adored grandaughter is missing. You are under intense scrutiny by the press. Then your daughter becomes a suspect. Because you LOVE her unconditionally, you are blind to the reality that she could have killed your granddaughter. So even though you have a sick suspicion in the depths of your heart, you go into denial and try to protect your daughter, because she is all you have left. Your daughter is arrested and your granddaughter''s remains are found confirming that she was murdered.

Umm, I can see it being an expected response to want to give up and leave this life!

Yes, they are guilty of protecting their daughter who they love and cannot believe could commit murder. They are guilty of making Casey keep a baby she did not want. But to call them an accomplice to the crime is ludicrous. They loved that child and had nothing whatsoever to do with her death.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Date: 1/24/2009 2:45:37 AM
Author: FrekeChild
Because people can have other issues than what''s in the public realm.

Thats true...but his suicide letter revolved around the case and little else...his reasonings (at least what has been released to the public) were all related to how he "failed" and being with Caylee...and then, he also stroked his daugher, talking about how "strong" she is....

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Date: 1/24/2009 9:16:11 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

Date: 1/24/2009 2:41:43 AM
Author: SharonNJ
I agree, the grandparents are accomplices in this crime, trying to protect their daughter may just be their downfall, why would he have left the home and been found in a hotel threatening suicide if they had nothing to do with it?

How about when everything in your life is falling apart? First your adored grandaughter is missing. You are under intense scrutiny by the press. Then your daughter becomes a suspect. Because you LOVE her unconditionally, you are blind to the reality that she could have killed your granddaughter. So even though you have a sick suspicion in the depths of your heart, you go into denial and try to protect your daughter, because she is all you have left. Your daughter is arrested and your granddaughter's remains are found confirming that she was murdered.

Umm, I can see it being an expected response to want to give up and leave this life!

Yes, they are guilty of protecting their daughter who they love and cannot believe could commit murder. They are guilty of making Casey keep a baby she did not want. But to call them an accomplice to the crime is ludicrous. They loved that child and had nothing whatsoever to do with her death.

I find that statement to be utterly surprising.

Suicide is never the answer, never. No excuses. This family just seems, as a whole, to take the easy way out of challanging and trying situations they'd rather not deal with, or find to hard to comprehend.

. There are ways to work through things, coping skills. Casey didn't want to be a mom anymore...kill the kid. George can't face the truth...kill himself. That's not always the blanket answer for making your problems go away. It just isn't. I'm sorry.

Better George Anthony pull down the Myspace page where he is turning a profit to pay for Casey's defence, and decide he's played the fool for much to long at the hands of his daughter. Put down his "Casey is innocent" mantra and let justice be done without making it harder on anyone. Better he just quietly do nothing that than run away to kill himself. Anything is better than what he did.

ETA: Because I'm sure I'll get my *** handed to me for my statement on my views of suicide, please understand that I have reason for believing that.

 

[Haven]

I''m shocked and appalled by the Anthonys'' actions in this case, and I don''t think there are any excuses for standing in the way of a criminal investigation.

However, I have never felt the depth of despair and hopelessness that I am fairly certain would come from learning that one''s own daughter possibly killed one''s granddaughter. I imagine that when placed in such an extreme situation it is likely to skew one''s perception of reality, right vs. wrong, and justice beyond what any human being should be forced to face. I am not saying this is an excuse, but an extreme upheaval of one''s entire world is certainly an explanation for why one''s behavior may seem unsuitable to the rest of the world. Far be it for me to throw stones at someone facing a situation that I hope to never have to face, myself.

And I don''t think suicide is ever an easy way out. I agree with you, Italia, that it is never the answer. But I also think it''s not an easy choice to make, either. When you see death as the only solution to your problems, there is nothing easy about that. I''ve known far too many individuals who committed suicide to ever call it an easy way out.

 

[HollyS]

Italia: Yes, they failed Casey. You bet. And then failed to protect Caylee. Absolutely. Would I have handled it differently? I think so. They have brought the public attention and response, and the constant media watch by bungling this whole thing from the get go. I don''t feel sorry for them in respect to how they''ve backtracked, or tried to possibly obstruct the investigation. Can I feel compassion for the loss of the grandchild, for the horror that must be theirs in realizing their daughter could be a murderer? I think we all should; we cannot possibly know the depths of despair they must feel.

Is suicide an answer? A damn final one. Does it solve anything? Never has. But it takes that person out of a pain they don''t believe they can bear. Is it the sane and rational thing to do? No, it''s the act of someone who needs professional help. I''m all for giving him the help he needs, and being compassionate about it; and when he''s better, he and the Mrs. need to come clean about what they knew and when they knew it. And then get on that witness stand and send their daughter to prison.

I won''t obsolve him of his ''guilt'' as someone who stood in the way of justice. I will pray that he finds enough peace to deal with his loss, his guilt, and what is left of his shattered life.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/24/2009 11:26:41 AM
Author: Haven
I'm shocked and appalled by the Anthonys' actions in this case, and I don't think there are any excuses for standing in the way of a criminal investigation.

However, I have never felt the depth of despair and hopelessness that I am fairly certain would come from learning that one's own daughter possibly killed one's granddaughter. I imagine that when placed in such an extreme situation it is likely to skew one's perception of reality, right vs. wrong, and justice beyond what any human being should be forced to face. I am not saying this is an excuse, but an extreme upheaval of one's entire world is certainly an explanation for why one's behavior may seem unsuitable to the rest of the world. Far be it for me to throw stones at someone facing a situation that I hope to never have to face, myself.

And I don't think suicide is ever an easy way out. I agree with you, Italia, that it is never the answer. But I also think it's not an easy choice to make, either. When you see death as the only solution to your problems, there is nothing easy about that. I've known far too many individuals who committed suicide to ever call it an easy way out.

Ditto. Thank you Haven (and Holly) for explaining what I apparently did not convey well enough! Let me make it clear that I did not say that I approve of suicide! Goodness! I am just saying that people do resort to such extreme measures when the pain and despair becomes more than they can bear.

 

[Dreamgirl]

Date: 1/23/2009 6:53:05 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Dreamgirl, your post made me smile...I know you got hit with it on LIW earlier today...but you know what, it''s a forum...and part of the reason I love it so much is because I believe even when we disagree and bicker back and forth it forces you to think differently or at least look at things differently because these are all woman that I respect. But, that doesn''t mean I''m changing my stance on this subject.

 

[Dreamgirl]

Date: 1/24/2009 2:41:43 AM
Author: SharonNJ
I agree, the grandparents are accomplices in this crime, trying to protect their daughter may just be their downfall, why would he have left the home and been found in a hotel threatening suicide if they had nothing to do with it?

Yeah, you know....when Caylee was missing, they were sure in PURE denial about her possibly being dead. Now, they KNEW their daugther was a messed up freak liar and they still didn't think there could be a possibility that little innocent girl could be dead? That their worthless daughter could have killed her because she wouldn't take the responsibility and step up and be that little girls' mother? That she'd rather go out and party than be a mother. THEY knew that about her....I don't know, I was starting to think myself that they knew something MORE than they led on...

 

[cbs102]

I don''t think that cindy and george are guilty of anything except for turning a blind eye to their daughters web of lies and not following their gut sooner. Their love for their daughter Casey has impeded their judgement AND the investigation-however, i do not think that they truely had anything to do with the actual murder. the only one in that family that could have something to do with it is Lee..and they are onto him.

this family has been put through the ringer and it will not get better when caylee is buried either. george cannot even get a job because of the stigma they have aquired with this case. way to go Casey Anthony for ruining the lives of your two year old child, your parents who have done nothing but love you unconditionally, and everyone else that has ever come in contact with you.

 

[luckystar112]

Interesting...how do they think Lee was involved?
I did hear about the fake email that was supposed to prove that Casey worked at Universal Studios, but that doesn''t seem any worse than the fake toothbrush....

 

[mochi]

I find this just wrong in every way.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/comments?type=story&id=6741655

 

[cbs102]

Date: 1/27/2009 5:00:21 PM
Author: luckystar112
Interesting...how do they think Lee was involved?
I did hear about the fake email that was supposed to prove that Casey worked at Universal Studios, but that doesn''t seem any worse than the fake toothbrush....

From what i have read,there will be charges against him. i cannot really pin point WHY i think that he had something to do with it..i just feel like he did..stupid, i know!

have you heard that rumor where some say that Lee is Caylees father!

elaborate on him writing a fake email! i didn''t hear that!

 

[Italiahaircolor]

I don''t know anything about Lee''s involvement with the crime outside of the fact that any memorial that was errected for Caylee in the front yard of the home where that little girl lived her short life, Lee tore down. And also that Lee lead many private searches for Caylee, and followed up on many fake leads at Casey''s suggestion. If he knew more, I don''t know.

This family created quiet the web.