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D VS1 3.3 carat update!

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This would cost a lot, with that much money I don’t think I will take this if I have that much money because I can see the leak in the aset and I will not unsee it :lol: but I know most people won’t care, its 3.3ct and its D VS1 with no fluorescence!!! So it’ll be big, white and clean! Who cares about leak? It’ll still be pretty. My mom got 3ct D VS1 way off from super ideal chart and I believe it also got leak but she’s happy with it because its still sparkly enough, white and big=)2
 
munchee said:
This would cost a lot, with that much money I don’t think I will take this if I have that much money because I can see the leak in the aset and I will not unsee it :lol: but I know most people won’t care, its 3.3ct and its D VS1 with no fluorescence!!! So it’ll be big, white and clean! Who cares about leak? It’ll still be pretty. My mom got 3ct D VS1 way off from super ideal chart and I believe it also got leak but she’s happy with it because its still sparkly enough, white and big=)2
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Oh dear. That does not sound favorable at all. Thank you for your input.
 
lovedogs said:
Sorry, I don't love it. For something so expensive I'd want the best possible cut, and this isn't that, unfortunately.
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Thank you. Two thumbs down. Sounds like I’ll be saving some money. My next step is just to buy a dozen donuts to eat.
 
Must it be a D? You might find an ACA or one of their select stones in E or F with less leakage. What did WF say about this stone?
 
FornasettiLover said:
Thank you. Two thumbs down. Sounds like I’ll be saving some money. My next step is just to buy a dozen donuts to eat.
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Sorry :(

With the high color and carat weight you want I would really really recommend doing a custom cut with them (or going down to E/F color)
 
@FornasettiLover are you super color sensitive? I have seen so many gorgeous colorless or near colorless diamonds posted from Whiteflash.
 
Excellent questions. I’ve attached what WF said. “Must” be a D is no, but I definitely see the color in an F. I would consider an E. None of the ideal vendors have something in the 9mm range in high color and clarity. WF has nothing coming down the pike. The only option is custom and I really really really don’t want to, not due to time constraints (I have all the time in the world) but I only want to buy a diamond that already exists. I know that’s cuckoo but that’s me. Thanks for all the opinions and suggestions. 0F40157F-7CAF-477E-93FA-CEF9EA8FA99F.jpeg
 
FornasettiLover said:
Oh dear. That does not sound favorable at all. Thank you for your input.
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I’m sorry... :(2
I think if you’re not in this forum and buy it, you’ll still be happy with this diamond.
The problem is that you know too much now. You know about leak and stuff so it won’t be mind clean. I believe most people will still be wow-ed with this diamond!!! Its 3.3ct D VS1 and no fluo!!! Can you get it and take a look of it??? And make decision after you see it? You might like it probably...
I totally understand that you only want D&E color, I also see color in F but sadly I can’t afford it :lol:
 
I totally get what you are saying about not committing to a diamond you haven't seen, and I usually agree. On the other hand, I will tell you that ANY Whiteflash ACA will be better (more perfectly cut) than the one posted above. So to me, I'd absolutely custom cut over taking the stone above. I'd never spend that much on a D VS1 that didn't have top cut. I have a friend doing a larger ACA custom cut at this time, in fact. However, I'd also take an E VS1 ACA if one was in stock over this stone. It's not a bad stone, it's just that we are so used to seeing top cut around here.
 
It is amazing, in a sense, that this cutter achieved GIA Ex Cut with Ex symmetry, despite some serious angle variation and girdle treatment with thin girdle to work with. The cutter really pushed it to the limit and he got lucky with grading.

I think WF's comment on this stone very generous.
 
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They have expert selection and premier select stones that would be better cut than a virtual stone. They know what you’re looking for and can keep an eye out.
 
ringo865 said:
They have expert selection and premier select stones that would be better cut than a virtual stone. They know what you’re looking for and can keep an eye out.
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I did know about those categories but got the sense that a stone like this falling into that category would be even less likely than an ACA to pop up as their cutters cut to their specs. I didn’t really have a sense of the company’s size to figure out if they would in fact be able to keep an eye out for me. Good to know they might. Thank you!
 
Is the consensus that I should not even bother having the stone sent to me to look at? Practically speaking what does the leaking mean? What would I see?

Frankly, I have terrible near vision even with my trifocals. I will never be able to see a heart or an arrow without a magnifying glass. I really will only be able to see the color. Does that change anything? It’s ok if it doesn’t, I’m trying to understand.

I appreciate everyone’s insight. Thank you for your continued interest.
 
I think this will come down to what will make your heart/mind happy and what can you live with:

Since you're color-sensitive, are you willing to wait an indeterminate amount of time for a D/E that is perfectly cut at this size? Or have flex on clarity?

Would you ever reconsider a custom cut or feel better about a diamond that already exists today?

What's encouraging is the WF SA's comments on how beautiful the diamond just is, even though it's not ACA-standard! Given your notes above on what you can see, maybe your heart and mind will be super happy with an icy white, sparkly stone at the size you like right now?
 
Would this be a forever stone for you? Obviously color and clarity are already top notch - but if the cut or size ever bothered you, this stone would not qualify for Whiteflash’s generous upgrade program that they provide for their ACA and ES stones. I would honestly consider a custom cut from them - you will get exactly what you want PLUS the performance will be the best you can get!
 
If I were you, knowing that I would want a pre-cut diamond in D/E color, VS1 or better at 3+ ct, and don't have a time constraint, I would wait till something like that comes in the pipelines. I would also follow up with super-ideal cut vendors time to time. And I would definitely not compromise on cut. Cut is the essence of a diamond. IMHO.
 
I did look online at the 2.58 E ACA that they have online and I really don’t see the difference. As a scientist I appreciate the idea of perfect symmetry and geometry and the idea of a super ideal cut. Practically, if I can’t see the difference, then I don’t know how a super ideal cut is any less of a “mind“ issue than having a high clarity if the inclusions are not visible to the eye. Is there a difference? Sincerely trying to learn.

I do not have a timeline in the sense that this is not for any special moment, but rather a lifetime of special moments, and as a front line healthcare worker I really just want something to mark what I’ve been through over the past year. My husband agrees that this does seem like the perfect time to do this.

The reason I won’t do a custom cutIs really personal and kind of cuckoo but I definitely won’t change my mind on that.

I do realize this decision is 100% up to me and comes down to what is most important to me. I’m inclined to have the stone sent to me to look at and hope that helps me decide.

This website has obviously complicated my decision making but I do so appreciate the input of people with expertise. Years ago when I was renovating several bathrooms I went on all the plumbers’ blogs to figure out which was their favorite toilet, because who else would know what works well and is reliable? I bought a toilet on their recommendation and it was probably my best renovation decision and I’ve since used that toilet in several homes. Yes, I did just compare toilets to diamonds, but with the highest respect for both.
 
FornasettiLover said:
I did look online at the 2.58 E ACA that they have online and I really don’t see the difference. As a scientist I appreciate the idea of perfect symmetry and geometry and the idea of a super ideal cut. Practically, if I can’t see the difference, then I don’t know how a super ideal cut is any less of a “mind“ issue than having a high clarity if the inclusions are not visible to the eye. Is there a difference? Sincerely trying to learn.

I do not have a timeline in the sense that this is not for any special moment, but rather a lifetime of special moments, and as a front line healthcare worker I really just want something to mark what I’ve been through over the past year. My husband agrees that this does seem like the perfect time to do this.

The reason I won’t do a custom cutIs really personal and kind of cuckoo but I definitely won’t change my mind on that.

I do realize this decision is 100% up to me and comes down to what is most important to me. I’m inclined to have the stone sent to me to look at and hope that helps me decide.

This website has obviously complicated my decision making but I do so appreciate the input of people with expertise. Years ago when I was renovating several bathrooms I went on all the plumbers’ blogs to figure out which was their favorite toilet, because who else would know what works well and is reliable? I bought a toilet on their recommendation and it was probably my best renovation decision and I’ve since used that toilet in several homes. Yes, I did just compare toilets to diamonds, but with the highest respect for both.
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I think if you haven’t see super ideal cut in real life ever, you need to see it with your own eyes first. If you can tell the difference and fall in love with it, then you automatically will pursue this road. But if after comparing both, you still don’t see the difference, you can get non super ideal stones, since it’ll look the same for you anyway. And when comparing, its only fair if you compare in the same range. Like compare 3ct D VS1 super ideal and GIA 3exs. Don’t compare 1.5 J super-ideal with 3ct D/E GIA 3exs, I don’t think its a fair comparison because off course a bigger and whiter diamond will look better anyway. A fair comparison need to compare apple to apple. Or comparing the same amount of money, if with 90k of super ideal you get this A stone, and 90k of GIA 3exs you get this B stone. With the same amount of money, which one you like the most and weighing if the sacrifice over the carat/color to get a better cut is something that you’ll pursue. With diamond you got to see it with your own eyes and decide which one you like better, with only seeing pictures and numbers won’t tell you which one you’ll like if you haven’t see enough.
 
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munchee said:
I think if you haven’t see super ideal cut in real life ever, you need to see it with your own eyes first. If you can tell the difference and fall in love with it, then you automatically will pursue this road. But if after comparing both, you still don’t see the difference, you can get non super ideal stones, since it’ll look the same for you anyway. And when comparing, its only fair if you compare in the same range. Like compare 3ct D VS1 super ideal and GIA 3exs. Don’t compare 1.5 J super-ideal with 3ct D/E GIA 3exs, I don’t think its a fair comparison because off course a bigger and whiter diamond will look better anyway. A fair comparison need to compare apple to apple. Or comparing the same amount of money, if with 90k of super ideal you get this A stone, and 90k of GIA 3exs you get this B stone. With the same amount of money, which one you like the most and weighing if the sacrifice over the carat/color to get a better cut is something that you’ll pursue. With diamond you got to see it with your own eyes and decide which one you like better, with only seeing pictures and numbers won’t tell you which one you’ll like if you haven’t see enough.
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That is a fantastic point and I 100% agree. There’s just no way for me to see them side by side in real life without purchasing one of each.

Cost is another great point, because an ACA in this size, color and clarity would cost about 15% more, and that’s not a little bit at this price point. I would for sure get a smaller stone which a) I would be fine with because I’ve never had any at all and b) I would have the option of upgrading.
 
If you compare the videos of this stone to videos of an ACA you will notice this stone doesn’t have sparkle or fire edge to edge. The outer circumference doesn’t light up well, that will make the stone appear smaller than it actually is.

ETA Thank you for your work as a frontline health worker! :clap:
 
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You are looking for a diamond with great specs that won't be easy to find. There are PS recommended vendors on here who can source stones for you. Maybe they can help. I don't recommend compromising if your heart isn't in it. Personally, I would wait for a super ideal, high clarity, icy white D or E. One that makes your heart skip a beat.
 
Ultimately it comes down to the pricing. This stone is barely GIA EX (it think it should be GIA VG).

When you buy a house or car, you also consider renovation or repair cost, future value, and make an offer accordingly. That is how I would approach this.

If this stone is recut to a better performer and to eliminate the excessive girdle treatment , it would be about , conservative speaking, 2.80~3.1c considering it has thin girdle to work with (i am no expert). Therefore if the diamond is around between 60~80k, I think it is reasonable buy and investment. Enjoy as is or recut later.

Here is a well cut 2.85c D VS1
www.jamesallen.com

2.84 Carat round diamond

This 2.84 carat round diamond D color vs1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.jamesallen.com www.jamesallen.com
 
Bonfire said:
If you compare the videos of this stone to videos of an ACA you will notice this stone doesn’t have sparkle or fire edge to edge. The outer circumference doesn’t light up well, that will make the stone appear smaller than it actually is.

ETA Thank you for your work as a frontline health worker! :clap:
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That's very kind, thank you. I'm in emergency medicine and this is what we've all trained for and is our calling and really our privilege to serve. I've been doing this 23 years and I never thought I'd see anything like this in my career.
 
flyingpig said:
Ultimately it comes down to the pricing. This stone is barely GIA EX (it think it should be GIA VG).

When you buy a house or car, you also consider renovation or repair cost, future value, and make an offer accordingly. That is how I would approach this.

If this stone is recut to a better performer and to eliminate the excessive girdle treatment , it would be about , conservative speaking, 2.80~3.1c considering it has thin girdle to work with (i am no expert). Therefore if the diamond is around between 60~80k, I think it is reasonable buy and investment. Enjoy as is or recut later.

Here is a well cut 2.85c D VS1
www.jamesallen.com

2.84 Carat round diamond

This 2.84 carat round diamond D color vs1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.jamesallen.com www.jamesallen.com
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OMG I love this: "When you buy a house or car, you also consider renovation or repair cost, future value, and make an offer accordingly. That is how I would approach this."

The stone I posted was actually $95K so sounds like poor "value". I do understand that even with fluctuating commodity prices a diamond is fundamentally a terrible "investment" with no significant resale market, so I am definitely not hoping for that. I do want something of good quality that I can enjoy for years to come.

I'll look at that stone and ask my SA at WF about it (or will they not look at stones from JA?).

Thank you!
 
flyingpig said:
Ultimately it comes down to the pricing. This stone is barely GIA EX (it think it should be GIA VG).

When you buy a house or car, you also consider renovation or repair cost, future value, and make an offer accordingly. That is how I would approach this.

If this stone is recut to a better performer and to eliminate the excessive girdle treatment , it would be about , conservative speaking, 2.80~3.1c considering it has thin girdle to work with (i am no expert). Therefore if the diamond is around between 60~80k, I think it is reasonable buy and investment. Enjoy as is or recut later.

Here is a well cut 2.85c D VS1
www.jamesallen.com

2.84 Carat round diamond

This 2.84 carat round diamond D color vs1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.jamesallen.com www.jamesallen.com
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Well super dumb question.. but how do you know that's a well cut diamond if there's no GIA report with all the stats? You can tell just on the video? Versus the video of the stone I posted? SO interesting! What are you seeing?
 
FornasettiLover said:
Well super dumb question.. but how do you know that's a well cut diamond if there's no GIA report with all the stats? You can tell just on the video? Versus the video of the stone I posted? SO interesting! What are you seeing?
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You just get to know these things eventually. I know this stone has TB less than 58 and depth less than 62. That is a good start. Based on the depth and the appearance of the table reflection , it should have PA of 40.6~41. Then, the arrows appear black and there is minimal leakage (a bit tricky to assess). This means the crown is not overly steep. And based on the side view, the crown is not shallow either. Lastly, there is minimal girdle treatment based on the face up and side views. There is no wonky pavilion.

Ask for the GIA report. I bet the numbers are fine.
 
flyingpig said:
You just get to know these things eventually. I know this stone has TB less than 58 and depth less than 62. That is a good start. Based on the depth and the appearance of the table reflection , it should have PA of 40.6~41. Then, the arrows appear black and there is minimal leakage (a bit tricky to assess). This means the crown is not overly steep. And based on the side view, the crown is not shallow either. Lastly, there is minimal girdle treatment based on the face up and side views. There is no wonky pavilion.

Ask for the GIA report. I bet the numbers are fine.
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:oops2: And this is why I am consulting the experts... my "mind" does not need a super ideal cut but I surely at least want it to actually be excellent. Thank you (a lot of thank yous today but I mean every one of them).
 
@FornasettiLover Thank you for all your work and sacrifices during these trying times.

WF can send you the stone for inspection with hassle-free return. If possible, I would get them to send both the D and E stones and compare in different lighting conditions on my own. That way you take out the guess-work and limitations of cameras out of the picture. Hope this helps.
 
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