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Was it cos Mr Koch watched last week's Patriot Act? Sorry , I had to. Karma please don't curse me.
Good karma is good for the health and laughing is good for the health, you're safe!
Was it cos Mr Koch watched last week's Patriot Act? Sorry , I had to. Karma please don't curse me.
This has always been an interesting concept for me. I don't believe in universal respect for human life. Some humans are good and some are bad and the bad do not imo deserve the same respect as the good. Those who have money, power, and influence on a global scale and use it to harm on a large scale are not worthy of respect. I took a look at lists of the most hated men/companies in the USA and of the most deadly dictators in the world, past and present. We've had plenty of examples on how not to treat people and yet we perpetuate those awful behaviors. Their deeds are so heinous that I find it disrespectful to humanity in general to give them an ounce of respect. Respect is earned, not automatically conferred, and once earned does not mean it can't be forfeited.but I refuse to celebrate it out of simple respect for human life. If anything, his life had value because it served as a lesson to others of how NOT to treat people.
And I would never remove your right to say any of it.That's YOU, me I can rejoice at his death, not that I did much other than laugh. But I feel maybe one block of the wall of money that is ruining our environment is gone, I don't just believe in the individual's right, I believe in groups rights, as in the case, the American people and all people of our planet earth.
From th 2018 Libertarian Platform:
1.0 PERSONAL LIBERTY
Individuals are inherently free to make choices for themselves and must accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Our support of an individual’s right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. No individual, group, or government may rightly initiate force against any other individual, group, or government. Libertarians reject the notion that groups have inherent rights. We support the rights of the smallest minority, the individual.
I believe groups have rights as in the groups that wish for fresh air and clean water, safety etc.
In my opinion rejoicing at a person who has done so much to hurt our planet is normal. Tribalism? Meh, everyone has a tribe, and if the tribe I belong to is relieved Koch is dead, so be it. Hate? I'd say a much better word is RELIEF. Dedication? I am dedicated to a cleaner earth
And I would never remove your right to say any of it.
The non aggression principle lives in me and mine. Group rights don't trump individual ones.
This has always been an interesting concept for me. I don't believe in universal respect for human life. Some humans are good and some are bad and the bad do not imo deserve the same respect as the good. Those who have money, power, and influence on a global scale and use it to harm on a large scale are not worthy of respect. I took a look at lists of the most hated men/companies in the USA and of the most deadly dictators in the world, past and present. We've had plenty of examples on how not to treat people and yet we perpetuate those awful behaviors. Their deeds are so heinous that I find it disrespectful to humanity in general to give them an ounce of respect. Respect is earned, not automatically conferred, and once earned does not mean it can't be forfeited.
Well while you’re all condemning him to eternal damnation, it may not matter to those who call him evil, but other cancer patients like myself have/will benefit from his $150 million donation to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. $100 million to New York Presbyterian Hospital. Donations to Lincoln Center for Performing Arts. I read he dished out $1.2 billion for good causes nationwide. I guess good causes is subjective. Now, back to racking him over the coals of hell.
This has always been an interesting concept for me. I don't believe in universal respect for human life. Some humans are good and some are bad and the bad do not imo deserve the same respect as the good. Those who have money, power, and influence on a global scale and use it to harm on a large scale are not worthy of respect. I took a look at lists of the most hated men/companies in the USA and of the most deadly dictators in the world, past and present. We've had plenty of examples on how not to treat people and yet we perpetuate those awful behaviors. Their deeds are so heinous that I find it disrespectful to humanity in general to give them an ounce of respect. Respect is earned, not automatically conferred, and once earned does not mean it can't be forfeited.
Well while you’re all condemning him to eternal damnation, it may not matter to those who call him evil, but other cancer patients like myself have/will benefit from his $150 million donation to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. $100 million to New York Presbyterian Hospital. Donations to Lincoln Center for Performing Arts. I read he dished out $1.2 billion for good causes nationwide. I guess good causes is subjective.
Well while you’re all condemning him to eternal damnation, it may not matter to those who call him evil, but other cancer patients like myself have/will benefit from his $150 million donation to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. $100 million to New York Presbyterian Hospital. Donations to Lincoln Center for Performing Arts. I read he dished out $1.2 billion for good causes nationwide. I guess good causes is subjective. Now, back to racking him over the coals of hell.
What does Bader Ginsburg have to do with Koch??
In his lifetime Koch gave away 1billion, so he now has 49 billion left to give to his heirs, and the estate will continue to grow and grow.
to me 1/50th of your net worth if it's 50 billion isnt much.
It seems you are misinterpreting @redwood66 post. She had me quoted with my words bolded. Her reference to RBG was to include her as a recent cancer recipient of treatment at Memorial Sloan Kettering.RBG has nothing to do with David Koch’s death aside from a pathetic attempt at whataboutism, and a premature one at that. “What if conservatives celebrated the death of RBG? SEE?! It’s not okay!”
Yeah, RBG and Koch brothers aren’t even close to being moral equivalents if you’re talking about legacies of evil and harm. I might even chalk it up to that tribalism so often denounced by those hypocrites complaining about it.
Well at least you understood the meaning of my post. I'm sure an apology is forthcoming from others though.It seems you are misinterpreting @redwood66 post. She had me quoted with my words bolded. Her reference to RBG was to include her as a recent cancer recipient of treatment at Memorial Sloan Kettering.
See Bonfire's post above.What does Bader Ginsburg have to do with Koch??
In his lifetime Koch gave away 1billion, so he now has 49 billion left to give to his heirs, and the estate will continue to grow and grow.
to me 1/50th of your net worth if it's 50 billion isnt much.
Well at least you understood the meaning of my post. I'm sure an apology is forthcoming from others though.
You completely misunderstood my post that wasn't to you in the first place. An apology would be nice.Koch’s self-serving donations to cancer research don’t negate all the harm he’s done and he deserves no credit for RBG’s cancer treatment.
I don’t know when you quote people I have on ignore. It’s clear you don’t expect an apology and I certainly won’t disappoint you.
I have bonfire on ignore. I don’t feel the need to apologize because my comment about hypocrisy stands. You complain about tribalism but where have you applied criticism to the right equally?You completely misunderstood my post that wasn't to you in the first place. An apology would be nice.
I have no idea who you have on ignore. Obviously not me.
You wanted to mash me up on something that had nothing to do with my post to @Bonfire. Now you want to do it for another reason since the first one backfired. A simple "my bad" or "sorry for the misunderstanding" would have been just fine with me like I did earlier in this very thread to Monarch. We can be decent when it calls for it.I have bonfire on ignore. I don’t feel the need to apologize because my comment about hypocrisy stands. You complain about tribalism but where have you applied criticism to the right equally?
...Means I can post something nasty about her and she won't be able to reply...I have no idea who you have on ignore. Obviously not me.
You wanted to mash me up on something that had nothing to do with my post to @Bonfire. Now you want to do it for another reason since the first one backfired. A simple "my bad" or "sorry for the misunderstanding" would have been just fine with me like I did earlier in this very thread to Monarch. We can be decent when it calls for it.
See Bonfire's post above.
No worries my friend. It is too bad about the latest round and I hope she is able to thwart it once again.so sorry, uh I am old and quotes get to me.
Ginsburg, like Koch was able to have access to the BEST medicine money can buy. She was nowhere near Koch in the money department but her prestige was higher than Koch's. I would like to think she will be cancer free but this latest occurrence is not that great a sign.
Oh that's Perfect!I am sure his loved ones will miss him.
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On a snarky but not improbable point...
I wonder if his will will specify who will inherit the senators and congressmen he bought?