Dilemma

[munchee]

edit: I realized my post make this thread to 2nd page, in the previous page OP uploaded new video, you might want to check it.

OP, usually with HCA 2.2 the diamond is good. The problem here is not the diamond but the overpriced costs that you’re paying. Let me give you an example:
I bought a 2ct G VS2 from virtual vendor (like BE), the HCA is good (like the one you’re buying). I paid $14300. This purchase can be justified, because a diamond with same specs in super ideal vendors will cost more than $25,000. So getting a somewhat good/excellent diamond with $14,300 is OK.

but your case is different, the diamond that you’re getting maybe good, its not bad, with a price tag of $22,000. But you can get better quality diamond with $17,000. So doesn’t matter how many videos you’re getting from them, how good the diamond is, IMHO I can’t justify why I pay $22000 for 1.54 F with diameter 7.31x7.37 while I can get 1.65 F with diameter 7.57x7.58 with $1000 less.Thats 0.16mm difference in diameter for less cost!

 

[levnde]

edit: I realized my post make this thread to 2nd page, in the previous page OP uploaded new video, you might want to check it.

OP, usually with HCA 2.2 the diamond is good. The problem here is not the diamond but the overpriced costs that you’re paying. Let me give you an example:
I bought a 2ct G VS2 from virtual vendor (like BE), the HCA is good (like the one you’re buying). I paid $14300. This purchase can be justified, because a diamond with same specs in super ideal vendors will cost more than $25,000. So getting a somewhat good/excellent diamond with $14,300 is OK.

but your case is different, the diamond that you’re getting maybe good, its not bad, with a price tag of $22,000. But you can get better quality diamond with $17,000. So doesn’t matter how many videos you’re getting from them, how good the diamond is, IMHO I can’t justify why I pay $22000 for 1.54 F with diameter 7.31x7.37 while I can get 1.65 F with diameter 7.57x7.58 with $1000 less.Thats 0.16mm difference in diameter for less cost!

Thank you for your detailed explanation. I do understand what you’re saying. I guess I’m stuck on the IF aspect, where as most people here don’t seem to think that’s necessary. I’m in Canada so I have to factor in exchange rates and so forth with the purchase also. The diamond I’m looking at was roughly $24k cad before taxes and $28k cad after. To my eyes the diamond looks amazing but others don’t seem to agree.

 

[XHellfireX]

OP, as a Canadian as well I wouldn't buy that stone nor would I use BE as a vendor. You are overpaying. Here is a larger, flawless stone priced at $19,665 USD

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rap.certs/Gia/Certificates/2019/12/3/2201758343.pdf

You are paying $15,585 per carat, the above is priced at $15,525 per carat.
Note I have not run it in the HCA.

Also, based on the taxes seems you are in QC or the maritimes so find a friend in AB, save on the tax have it reshipped.

 

[levnde]

OP, as a Canadian as well I wouldn't buy that stone nor would I use BE as a vendor. You are overpaying. Here is a larger, flawless stone priced at $19,665 USD

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rap.certs/Gia/Certificates/2019/12/3/2201758343.pdf

You are paying $15,585 per carat, the above is priced at $15,525 per carat.
Note I have not run it in the HCA.

Also, based on the taxes seems you are in QC or the maritimes so find a friend in AB, save on the tax have it reshipped.

Yes I’m in Halifax. Based on the above it means I’m only really paying $100 more or am I misunderstanding

 

[munchee]

Thank you for your detailed explanation. I do understand what you’re saying. I guess I’m stuck on the IF aspect, where as most people here don’t seem to think that’s necessary. I’m in Canada so I have to factor in exchange rates and so forth with the purchase also. The diamond I’m looking at was roughly $24k cad before taxes and $28k cad after. To my eyes the diamond looks amazing but others don’t seem to agree.

As one of PSer have mentioned previously, we don’t see IF as “fine thing” we see Cut is the “fine thing”, cut is everything! As we can see the difference in extremely well cut diamond which can sparkle across the room Vs. IF/VS1 which you won’t see with naked eye even you stare at it the whole day. We can’t see why it is important.
as much as it looks amazing with that price I’d rather have slightly bigger diamond with better cut from HPD and still $1000 less. As amazing as it is I still don’t think it’ll be comparable with CBI diamond honestly.
If you still don’t like VS1. With that price, this is still wayyyy better option:
1.5ct E VVS2 for $20359
Similar diameter(same size), better color, VVS2 I don’t think you can see anything, anddddd still cheaper! You can get a really nice setting with the extra $4000 difference! E color is very very very super white! My mom is extremely color sensitive, she said her F color diamond have tint, but D&E is fine for her. She almost return her 2.8ctw F color ACA studs but I said its just for studs its fine! I can’t see tint from your ear! Only then she accepted F color, her rings all D&E. She has 3ct D VS2, 1.6ct D IF and 1.5 E I3!!! I3 and I don’t see any single inclusion.

Diamond | 1.505 ct E VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4287214

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.505 carat E color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4287214

www.whiteflash.com

 

[levnde]

As one of PSer have mentioned previously, we don’t see IF as “fine thing” we see Cut is the “fine thing”, cut is everything! As we can see the difference in extremely well cut diamond which can sparkle across the room Vs. IF/VS1 which you won’t see with naked eye even you stare at it the whole day. We can’t see why it is important.
as much as it looks amazing with that price I’d rather have slightly bigger diamond with better cut from HPD and still $1000 less. As amazing as it is I still don’t think it’ll be comparable with CBI diamond honestly.

Thank you, you clarify things well. Is there somewhere I can reference the abbreviations used such as HPD and CBI?

 

[lovedogs]

HPD = high performance diamonds (a vendor) who sells CBI (crafted by infinity) diamonds. They are the best of the best in terms of cut, along with whiteflash A Cut Above

 

[levnde]

HPD = high performance diamonds (a vendor) who sells CBI (crafted by infinity) diamonds. They are the best of the best in terms of cut, along with whiteflash A Cut Above

Thank you for the clarification

 

[munchee]

Thank you, you clarify things well. Is there somewhere I can reference the abbreviations used such as HPD and CBI?

I think if you still not sure about having VS1 the E VVS2 ACA I mentioned is really really really beautiful!!!!! And E VVS2 is killer combo! Of course the 1.65 F VS1 will be beautiful too, but E is really white. Won’t go wrong with these 2 options, only depends on whether you choose Size (1.65 F VS1) or better color and clarity (1.5 E VVS2).

 

[XHellfireX]

Yes I’m in Halifax. Based on the above it means I’m only really paying $100 more or am I misunderstanding

Ouch, def find a friend in AB. Being in AB we only pay 5% GST.

So you are actually overpaying by more, and sorry I didn't find a better example. Basically price per carat increases based on size typically, and then adjusted by color and clarity. So if you take the price per caret for the Flawless stone, which is 1.045 times larger, then your price should be at the very least that much lower or $14,856 per carat, and knock off another $100 say for the difference between F and IF, so $14,756 (should be) vs $15,858 (your price) per caret, so overpaying by at least $1700 USD.

I also agree with the other posts that IF is overkill, VS2 really would be fine as tell me how often someone is going to look at the stone under a loop, but at the end of the day if you like the stone you've selected and are comfortable with the price go for it.

 

[levnde]

Ouch, def find a friend in AB. Being in AB we only pay 5% GST.

So you are actually overpaying by more, and sorry I didn't find a better example. Basically price per carat increases based on size typically, and then adjusted by color and clarity. So if you take the price per caret for the Flawless stone, which is 1.045 times larger, then your price should be at the very least that much lower or $14,856 per carat, and knock off another $100 say for the difference between F and IF, so $14,756 (should be) vs $15,858 (your price) per caret, so overpaying by at least $1700 USD.

I also agree with the other posts that IF is overkill, VS2 really would be fine as tell me how often someone is going to look at the stone under a loop, but at the end of the day if you like the stone you've selected and are comfortable with the price go for it.

So an update for you guys, brilliant earth is trying to say I can only have a store credit because it’s been more than 30 days since I placed a deposit. I have written a long in depth email to a senior manager with my experience who I’m hoping has some morality.
In the mean time I have placed the 1.5ct E VVS2 from white flash on hold and will likely go for that.

thank you for all your advice and support

 

[munchee]

So an update for you guys, brilliant earth is trying to say I can only have a store credit because it’s been more than 30 days since I placed a deposit. I have written a long in depth email to a senior manager with my experience who I’m hoping has some morality.
In the mean time I have placed the 1.5ct E VVS2 from white flash on hold and will likely go for that.

thank you for all your advice and support

That is just sooo weird!! How come they have full refund 30days policy but can’t refund a deposit? Thats so shady!!!!

 

[levnde]

That is just sooo weird!! How come they have full refund 30days policy but can’t refund a deposit? Thats so shady!!!!

Yeah, and they still have the diamond in their possession it was never sent or anything. They clearly grasping to hold funds

 

[munchee]

Yeah, and they still have the diamond in their possession it was never sent or anything. They clearly grasping to hold funds

And I think its not a good sign to engage further business with them, right? I assure you, that won’t happen with Whiteflash, they have extremely great ethic probably the best out there! Refund will never ever be a problem with them, you’ll love their work ethic. You’ll never go wrong with WF! How much deposit did you put down with them?

 

[levnde]

brilliant earth has $5.5k cad deposit....

 

[lovedogs]

That is just sooo weird!! How come they have full refund 30days policy but can’t refund a deposit? Thats so shady!!!!

That's how BE operates, sadly. They are incredibly shady

 

[levnde]

That's how BE operates, sadly. They are incredibly shady

I’m confident my inner Karen will sort them out

 

[FL_runner]

I’m confident my inner Karen will sort them out

I hope so! The more I hear about how they treat customers, the more shady they seem

 

[munchee]

@levnde
Maybe if they really won’t refund your money, last resort, you can get the setting/band from them and get loose diamond from WF and set it with your local jeweler?

 

[levnde]

@levnde
Maybe if they really won’t refund your money, last resort, you can get the setting/band from them and get loose diamond from WF and set it with your local jeweler?

Thanks for the idea, I have looked through their settings and they don’t really have what I’m looking for. I’m probably going to go custom at a local jeweller

 

[lulu_ma]

brilliant earth has $5.5k cad deposit....

@levnde any recourse with your credit card company?

 

[levnde]

@levnde any recourse with your credit card company?

That will be my next step after my lengthy email is responded to!

 

[anon34985]

I would be threatening a chargeback! Especially if no where in their write ups specifies a non-refundable deposit.

 

[MsShnooks]

Even if you do stick with the diamond because of the deposit you put down, it’ll still be a beautiful stone. Might not many posters’ liking who prefer a very specific set of numbers but it’ll be just as lovely as the diamonds you’d see in Harry Winston or Tiffany’s. I just wanted to add that so you don’t feel like it’s a dud.

 

[munchee]

Even if you do stick with the diamond because of the deposit you put down, it’ll still be a beautiful stone. Might not many posters’ liking who prefer a very specific set of numbers but it’ll be just as lovely as the diamonds you’d see in Harry Winston or Tiffany’s. I just wanted to add that so you don’t feel like it’s a dud.

I think in this case no one saying its a dud but we were saying its overpriced. Same size or to be precise 0.04mm bigger, better color (E) VVS2 for $20k vs. F IF for $24k. Or 1.65 F VS1 for 23k with 0.26mm bigger in diameter and $1k cheaper, I never say the 1.5 F IF not beautiful, but why pay $4k extra, lower color if you can get $4k less and better color? If OP is ready to pay for $24k, with getting the E from WF and get another piece of jewelry from BE with the deposit which they seems to won’t let go and still paying 24k.

 

[MsShnooks]

I think I’ve been lost on the pricing with the US vs Canadian dollars and taxes (I‘m UK based). Just wanted to cheer the OP up as it comes across as a lot of negativity on here with regards to what’s most likely a fantastic diamond. It’s probably very stressful when you’re getting engaged and want to get the diamond/ring just right. Especially if you’re an IF perfectionist

With regards to ACA vs non-ACA, the threads below are worth a look:

Recommended PriceScope RBC proportions - project to establish some guidelines

I lost it a few times when proportion recommendations were very narrow. The seem to have been based on super ideal branded #'s. (I am not intending this as guide for those companies - if you are buying from our esteemed branded vendors you do not need HCA or guides like these) So I thought it...

www.pricescope.com

Pricescope recommended proportions & the Inverse Crown and Pavilion Relationship

We have an informal group-think proportion recommendation often quoted to advise newbies on what to look for. I would like to discuss and consider widening that cut range in this thread. Most people have a budget, it might be $2,000 or $200,000. Often you do not know until they ask about a...

www.pricescope.com

 

[munchee]

I think I’ve been lost on the pricing with the US vs Canadian dollars and taxes (I‘m UK based). Just wanted to cheer the OP up as it comes across as a lot of negativity on here with regards to what’s most likely a fantastic diamond. It’s probably very stressful when you’re getting engaged and want to get the diamond/ring just right. Especially if you’re an IF perfectionist

With regards to ACA vs non-ACA, the threads below are worth a look:

Recommended PriceScope RBC proportions - project to establish some guidelines

I lost it a few times when proportion recommendations were very narrow. The seem to have been based on super ideal branded #'s. (I am not intending this as guide for those companies - if you are buying from our esteemed branded vendors you do not need HCA or guides like these) So I thought it...

www.pricescope.com

Pricescope recommended proportions & the Inverse Crown and Pavilion Relationship

We have an informal group-think proportion recommendation often quoted to advise newbies on what to look for. I would like to discuss and consider widening that cut range in this thread. Most people have a budget, it might be $2,000 or $200,000. Often you do not know until they ask about a...

www.pricescope.com

I’m sorry if my reply came out as negativity, its not my intention at all. I don’t mean to disregard the quality of the diamond that OP initially wanted. I simply feel that 24k is a lot of money and I want the best for OP, I put myself on OP shoes and if it was me I would’ve pick the one that have best value of my hard earned money. If it came out very negative, I’m sorry.