Do you believe that they are blue diamonds?

[stci]

Have you even seen a ring with a blue diamond halo? I see saphir halo on Fay Cullen website but never see a blue diamond halo (treated or not). Perhaps that would not be pretty!

I really don''t know the price for this kind of semi mount (treated or not) but when I see it in my dream, it was soo beautifull...

 

[Modified Brilliant]

I saw a "USGL" credit card sized appraisal card for a lady''s 14KT gold citrine and diamond ring (1/2 ct. t.w.)
at $9,350.00

I thought that we all lived on the same planet. Obviously I was mistaken.

www.metrojewelryappraisers.com

 

[CaptAubrey]

Date: 1/19/2007 7:04:31 PM
Author: RockDoc

Probably an interesting ''experiment'' is for one of the consumer Pser''s to ask Neiman''s that question on one of the items active for sale, with blue diamonds in it and see if they ''fess up'' that they are treated.

Of course, if they say they are untreated and they aren''t - they would need to change all the stones for natural ones, or cough up the $$$$ for the difference in value.

Rockdoc

I don''t think such an experiment would get very far. From reading the fine print on their web site, they claim that they are "not a jewelry store" and do nothing but repeat what the "laboratory graders" tell them. Except that there is similiar language on the lab web site disclaiming all liability for anything they say. So, basically, they don''t actually guarantee that what you buy is anything at all. I suspect that were someone to query them about these diamonds, you would not get anything close to a straight answer.

This doesn''t get them off the hook, mind--the FTC rules require disclosure of such treatment, period--but an average consumer would be out of his/her depth in trying to pin them down.

Personally, I suspect Neimans and the USGI are one and the same (both appear to be based in Orange County, CA), but good luck proving it.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/19/2007 7:43:53 PM
Author: stci
Have you even seen a ring with a blue diamond halo? I see saphir halo on Fay Cullen website but never see a blue diamond halo (treated or not). Perhaps that would not be pretty!

I really don't know the price for this kind of semi mount (treated or not) but when I see it in my dream, it was soo beautifull...

No, I have never seen a blue diamond halo. That is probably due to the fact that untreated blue diamonds are rare and very expensive. And most people who want blue acccents in a setting use sapphires. You can ask for sapphires that are not dark blue and get a beautiful halo to compliment the diamond. That's what I would do if I wanted a blue halo.

It is fine to look at ebay to get ideas, but it is not a very safe place to buy expensive jewelry.

(ETA: You didn't get your diamond off ebay, did you?)

 

[denverappraiser]

Date: 1/19/2007 7:43:53 PM
Author: stci
Have you even seen a ring with a blue diamond halo? I see saphir halo on Fay Cullen website but never see a blue diamond halo (treated or not). Perhaps that would not be pretty!

I really don't know the price for this kind of semi mount (treated or not) but when I see it in my dream, it was soo beautifull...

Talk to your favorite custom jeweler about it. There are quite a few who advertise and/or participate here or even one of your neighbors in your community that could make a piece just like you're imagining. Anything that can be made with white diamonds can also be made with blue ones. I'm sure it would be lovely.

I would like to second Storms comment that there's nothing wrong with treated diamonds, as long as they are properly represented. They are beautiful, inexpensive, durable and readilly available to most jewelers. This whole discussion is about misrepresentation by sellers and should in no way be taken as advice that you should avoid treated blues. You should avoid dealers who lie to you about it. That's a different thing entirely.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

 

[stci]

Thank you all for your help and responses! I appreciate!

I decided not to buy this ring to take your advice and speaking with a jeweller in my country.

diamondseeker2006 ask: "You didn''t get your diamond off ebay, did you?"

No...Certain people had said to me not do that...

I have make small transformations on the mounting which I would like for my ring (really not perfect). Which one do you prefer?

TREATED DIAMONDS

LIGHT SAPPHIRES

SAPPHIRES

WHITE DIAMONDS

 

[RockDoc]

Date: 1/19/2007 8:10:58 PM
Author: CaptAubrey

Date: 1/19/2007 7:04:31 PM
Author: RockDoc

Probably an interesting ''experiment'' is for one of the consumer Pser''s to ask Neiman''s that question on one of the items active for sale, with blue diamonds in it and see if they ''fess up'' that they are treated.

Of course, if they say they are untreated and they aren''t - they would need to change all the stones for natural ones, or cough up the $$$$ for the difference in value.

Rockdoc

I don''t think such an experiment would get very far. From reading the fine print on their web site, they claim that they are ''not a jewelry store'' and do nothing but repeat what the ''laboratory graders'' tell them. Except that there is similiar language on the lab web site disclaiming all liability for anything they say. So, basically, they don''t actually guarantee that what you buy is anything at all. I suspect that were someone to query them about these diamonds, you would not get anything close to a straight answer.

This doesn''t get them off the hook, mind--the FTC rules require disclosure of such treatment, period--but an average consumer would be out of his/her depth in trying to pin them down.

Personally, I suspect Neimans and the USGI are one and the same (both appear to be based in Orange County, CA), but good luck proving it.

Hi Capt.

Has CA adopted the FTC Guidelines?

It is my understanding that they only have the force of law in states that have, or in FTC court. Although if they were FTC Trade Regs they would.

For years I''ve been writing there is more "teeth" in the UCC, Moss - Magnusson, than the FTC. I know CA has more "advanced" statute laws, espcially in the consumer fraud areas than many other states.

As to Neiman''s and USGL being the same, I doubt it, as I believe I have seen other sellers using this lab to "justify" throughly inflated valuations.

As to disclaimers, when the disclaimer is made in a "blanket form", wouldn''t most courts disregard it? It''s one thing to disclaim certain things by which you''re limited - but to disclaim everything might backfire. What''s your take on this?

Rockdoc
It would be interesting if your suspicions are true.

 

[Cehrabehra]

oooh I love the light sapphire halo!! I''ve been thinking about that for a long time but it really wouldn''t work for my stone and I have been hoping someone would do that!! I like it better than the blue diamonds but of course I like them all - it''s so fun to have halos that are non-diamond... or at least colored. So often we see white diamonds around a colored gem and i just think that light blue is gorgeous around the diamond - thank you for photoshopping it!!!

 

[strmrdr]

I like the sapphires I think the darker stones really frame the diamond and make it pop!
its my favorite halo style.

 

[hikerchick]

I like them all but the 2 different sapphires are my favorites. They are all beautiful however.

 

[kenny]

I like the deeper blue sapphires best.

 

[Fly Girl]

I''d go for the treated diamonds to get more sparkle. But I''d look for ones that had a little less green and looked a bit more blue (more like turquoise).

 

[UCLABelle]

Oh love both the light and dark blue sapphires----JUST BEAUTIFUL!

 

[kcoursolle]

These sapphire halos are absolutely gorgeous!!!