Does anyone have a picture of the Jeff White pad featured in December''s Gem Scoop??

[DianaBanana]

I believe it''s sold but I''d love to see a picture....I''m on the hunt for a nice padparadscha.

Linda W - this is my first post but I''ve been lurking for a while waiting to see pictures of your pad in its setting!!!

Diana

 

[shinyrocks]

Here you go

I was sneaky and saved the link to the source image. It is stilll up there, but you will still have to have the members'' username and password to access:

http://www.whitesgems.com/members/images/SAP029f.jpg

 

[LostSapphire]

here ya go.

LS

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 1/29/2009 2:39:13 PM
Author:DianaBanana
I believe it''s sold but I''d love to see a picture....I''m on the hunt for a nice padparadscha.

Linda W - this is my first post but I''ve been lurking for a while waiting to see pictures of your pad in its setting!!!

Diana

If you''re interested in it, email Jeff and get on the list of people wanting it. You never know if it may not be the right one for someone and you get a chance at it.

 

[T L]

Reminds me of a Malaya garnet. That might also be another option, and less costly as well if you''re on a budget. BTW, I think that stone is heated, but ask Jeff to be sure.

 

[Linda W]

Yes, it is heated.

I will try to get pictures of my pad in the setting. Thank you so much for asking DB. I do hope you find the perfect Pad in your search.

TG''s is beautiful, have you taken a look at her pictures????


Linda

 

[T L]

Please also look at ArtNouveau's pad as well. Do a search on her posts, and you'll find the thread with her pad.

Linda_W has a beautiful pad in her avitar.

 

[Linda W]

Thank you TL, but I am in love with T-Gals, ha!!!



Linda

 

[DianaBanana]

Here are a couple of the pictures Jeff sent to me today....still not sure if a sale is pending or not, sounds like it may be available.....

 

[DianaBanana]

One more...

 

[DianaBanana]

I wish it was showing a little more orange....I''ve asked for a couple of pictures in natural light, the cut is spectacular....I just need a little more orange!

Any thoughts on how the stone would look once set, I''m thinking a Leon Halo 623? I''m a colored stone newbie so any feedback would be much appreciated...I don''t want to end up with what looks like a regular pink sapphire!

 

[T L]

Date: 1/29/2009 10:54:51 PM
Author: DianaBanana
I wish it was showing a little more orange....I''ve asked for a couple of pictures in natural light, the cut is spectacular....I just need a little more orange!

Any thoughts on how the stone would look once set, I''m thinking a Leon Halo 623? I''m a colored stone newbie so any feedback would be much appreciated...I don''t want to end up with what looks like a regular pink sapphire!

I agree.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 1/29/2009 10:54:51 PM
Author: DianaBanana
I wish it was showing a little more orange....I''ve asked for a couple of pictures in natural light, the cut is spectacular....I just need a little more orange!

Any thoughts on how the stone would look once set, I''m thinking a Leon Halo 623? I''m a colored stone newbie so any feedback would be much appreciated...I don''t want to end up with what looks like a regular pink sapphire!

Diana, I''ve seen the stone in person. I can definitely say the cut is spectacular.

I can also say that I also needed more orange. But I can say that it will not look like a pink sapphire.

 

[DianaBanana]

One question for Linda and TravelingGal.....the JW pad is $3420....do you think I could get a 2 carat stone similar to the color of yours within that price range or am I out to lunch? If I am, then the Jeff White sapphire is looking better and better. He is going to scope out the pads at the Tucson show and let me know what he finds.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 1/30/2009 12:16:23 AM
Author: DianaBanana
One question for Linda and TravelingGal.....the JW pad is $3420....do you think I could get a 2 carat stone similar to the color of yours within that price range or am I out to lunch? If I am, then the Jeff White sapphire is looking better and better. He is going to scope out the pads at the Tucson show and let me know what he finds.

I won''t speak for Linda, but since I could hardly find a 1 carat that was the color of the stone I purchased, I''m going to go out on a limb and say no. If I could have, I would have!

But mine was unheated so it''s hard to say as I am not even a knowledgeable amateur on pads and their pricing.

Whatever you decide, I would encourage you to get it certed.

 

[Linda W]

I agree with T-Tal. You must have this stone certed. The reason being to make sure it is unheated. The second being to make sure you are getting a true padparadscha sapphire.


Linda

 

[Linda W]

I also saw this stone in person. I agree, it needed a lot more orange. The orange was only around the edge of the stone.


Linda

 

[TravelingGal]

Just a quick note on certs:

If you can, read Richard Wise''s blog entry on pads and certification - I think you can google "Going boldly where no labrat has gone before" or something like that. He also links to it on Pricescope a few times.

Basically, no lab is foolproof and even though there is now some kind of agreed standard as to what pad colors are, just because something comes back as heated or not a pad doesn''t mean that the vendor was out to get you. Richard told me the story of a pad he sold which was certed by three different labs...one came back low heat, one came back NO heat and one came back diffused. So go figure.

However, I''d do the cert at AGTA. I was quoted a price of $265 for complete certification including ID+Origin and color analysis for that exact stone.

And for more on pad prices, check out www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com and do searches on 2 carat pads. Many have had heat treatment though.

 

[TravelingGal]

One last thing Diana -

If you are truly interested in this stone, I would strongly urge you to not seek any more opinions on it. I find that PS has a way of coloring ones view, no pun intended.

Get it first, open it and let your gut tell you what you think. First and foremost, do you love it? Then go from there.

If you have questions after seeing it, come back and feel free to ask.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 1/30/2009 12:30:58 AM
Author: Linda W
I agree with T-Tal. You must have this stone certed. The reason being to make sure it is unheated. The second being to make sure you are getting a true padparadscha sapphire.


Linda

For the record, Jeff has already said this stone is low heated. But I would get it certed to check if there was any funky treatment going on.

 

[Pandora II]

For me it''s not orange enough - but I lean towards the more orange less pink for pads, I know others go the other way.

 

[T L]

I''m not a pad expert, but shouldn''t a pad be more vibrant in color, or do they typically have grey/brown undertones and look a bit dull? The above pad appears that way to me, and notice the grey espeically when the pavillion is shown. If you look at the pad in Linda''s avitar, I see no grey and the stone is brighter. Maybe it''s my computer monitor, but I''ve seen this stone look that way on two different monitors, or maybe it''s just Jeff''s photographs. ???????????????? JMO. To me, it looks like a regular dull color pink sapphire.

 

[T L]

Here are two more pads, no grey and vibrant color in both, especially the stone on the left. The stone on the left is more pink than orange, but it''s vibrant.

 

[shinyrocks]

Sorry TL, but in the photos you attached I see a pink sapphire on the left and a pad with substantial brown undertones on the right. The pink is definitely vivid, but I wouldn''t call the one on the right vivid. Maybe it''s just a difference in perception, but it looks quite dull to me. And yes, pads are supposed to be delicate in coloration, by definition. Many experts do not consider the darker, more vivid African stones Padparadschas at all, due to the saturation.

 

[T L]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:24:35 AM
Author: shinyrocks
Sorry TL, but in the photos you attached I see a pink sapphire on the left and a pad with substantial brown undertones on the right. The pink is definitely vivid, but I wouldn''t call the one on the right vivid. Maybe it''s just a difference in perception, but it looks quite dull to me. And yes, pads are supposed to be delicate in coloration, by definition. Many experts do not consider the darker, more vivid African stones Padparadschas at all, due to the saturation.

It does look to have brown undertones, doesn''t it? I see a little pink in there. Well color is very subjective. I forgot where the one on the right hailed from, I had thought it was Sri Lanka.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 1/30/2009 7:50:25 AM
Author: tourmaline_lover
I''m not a pad expert, but shouldn''t a pad be more vibrant in color, or do they typically have grey/brown undertones and look a bit dull? The above pad appears that way to me, and notice the grey espeically when the pavillion is shown. If you look at the pad in Linda''s avitar, I see no grey and the stone is brighter. Maybe it''s my computer monitor, but I''ve seen this stone look that way on two different monitors, or maybe it''s just Jeff''s photographs. ???????????????? JMO. To me, it looks like a regular dull color pink sapphire.

This is precisely why I am saying that Diana look at the stone before we all jump in and put in our two cents what a pad is or isn''t based on a photograph.

It''s one thing to say, "That stone looks dark" or "I prefer more orange or pink." We all do that on this forum.

It''s another thing to say a pad should be X, X and X or it isn''t a pad.

The pricing of this stone, I would imagine, DEPENDS on whether it can be classified as a pad or not. And no one here is going to be able to tell you if it is, period. Even experts on this forum will not grade a stone just based on a photograph, so I do feel that we consumers, no matter how knowledgeable, should not theorize the pedigree of this particular stone. (Although I think it''s fine to talk about what a pad should be in general, because that is consumer education.)

On a side note, (and I would imagine some may disagree with me), Jeff is trying to find a home for this stone. Diana is now the third Pricescope member/lurker to get a shot at it. This stone is obviously very identifiable (unlike a photo of a ACA diamond), and opinions on whether it is or not a pad may hinder Jeff finding the right owner for the stone.

So again, I would say, get the stone, see how you feel. If you love it, get it certed.

 

[T L]

TG,
I could be miserably interpreating the stone's true colors, so that's fair enough. However, since pad color is so subjective and even experts disagree, don't you think it would help Jeff if he had the stone certed as a pad, before he labeled it as a pad? So far two ladies have returned this stone, and both said it wasn't orange enough, you and Linda_W. I don't think that also helps to give this stone a home. Truthfully, would you call it a pad color? It could be, and it's just that you and Linda_W prefer more orange in your pads as a rule. This is very educational for me since I do not claim to be a pad expert, but I am learning a great deal about them.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 1/30/2009 11:32:55 AM
Author: tourmaline_lover
TG,
I could be miserably interpreating the stone''s true colors, so that''s fair enough. However, since pad color is so subjective and even experts disagree, don''t you think it would help Jeff if he had the stone certed as a pad, before he labeled it as a pad? So far two ladies have returned this stone, and both said it wasn''t orange enough, you and Linda_W. I don''t think that also helps to give this stone a home. Truthfully, would you call it a pad color?

I completely agree on your comment about the cert.

And as to your last question, I don''t feel it''s fair for me to answer that because of what I stated in my previous post. But what I CAN say is that it wasn''t the pad color that I wanted.

 

[TravelingGal]

Oh, and I should mention...the stone actually *was* orange enough for me. It''s far more salmony that what the picture shows.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 1/30/2009 11:32:55 AM
Author: tourmaline_lover
TG,
I could be miserably interpreating the stone''s true colors, so that''s fair enough. However, since pad color is so subjective and even experts disagree, don''t you think it would help Jeff if he had the stone certed as a pad, before he labeled it as a pad? So far two ladies have returned this stone, and both said it wasn''t orange enough, you and Linda_W. I don''t think that also helps to give this stone a home. Truthfully, would you call it a pad color? It could be, and it''s just that you and Linda_W prefer more orange in your pads as a rule. This is very educational for me since I do not claim to be a pad expert, but I am learning a great deal about them.

FYI, he did not label it himself. It came from his dealer as a pad and has the sri lankan cert stating as such. The cert doesn''t mean anything once it''s cut by him though.