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Fancy or not?

I love talking about this...there's no "right answer" and it's fun! ( Compared to pretty much anything we could be talking about:)
Diamond Girl 21 said:
I'm not sure if this helps clear up the confusion
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I love what you posted- it simply adds to the intricacies of the subject.
In the second paragraph, it clearly states K-L are NOT "fancy" ( lower case, Garry:)
Yet in the final paragraph, it makes clear that "rare" colors are treated as "colored diamonds"
So.....is an L colored ( yellow tinted) diamond a "colored diamond"?
Based on how they are graded? ....no
 
I’m really confused how letters equal up to light blue. I always thought alphabet diamonds were yellow toned and wouldn’t be in other color categories.
 
Ionysis said:
I was probably too blunt in my response. I just think people need to ensure if they are selling something they are accurate. Whether a trade or private seller.

If I was on a car enthusiast website and posted that I had a Porsche 911 Turbo for sale then put up photos of a Boxter I’m sure there would have been a similar reaction.

But you’re right I should have been more polite.
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I disagree. You were factual. Hearts, smileys, and excess exclamation marks are unnecessary.

When you're selling something you have a responsibility to your buyers (and to your own reputation) to be as factual as possible. In this instance the seller either was too ignorant to realize she was being misleading and did nothing to remedy that prior to listing, or actively chose to mislead. Neither is excusable.

If you hadn't said what you did I would have said exactly the same thing, using exactly the same words.
 
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Mreader said:
I’m really confused how letters equal up to light blue. I always thought alphabet diamonds were yellow toned and wouldn’t be in other color categories.
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It's really relatively easy to understand...yet not all that simple....so confusion is common.....
If a stone has a brown tint, GIA will note it, if the stone is below K (iirc)- but leaves the letter grade as well

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If it's a yellow tint, there's no mention of the hue.
If a stone has a light blue, pink, or green tint, GIA abandons the letter grading, instead, going right to what I will call" Fancy Color terminology"
SO a stone with enough blue tint to be an H ( I think that's the starting point, not sure) will be "Faint Blue" as graded by GIA
 
yssie said:
When you're selling something you have a responsibility to your buyers (and to your own reputation)
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As a professional seller....I respectfully disagree. Sure, in a best-case scenario, consumers selling things should be "belt and suspenders" careful to use the correct terminology- and indeed, most readers of this forum would have no problem with that.
But many people come here for a purpose, then leave. They won't take the time to become nearly as well-versed as regular participants or readers. I think treating folks kindly is extremely important....so a gentle correction would be best IMO.....

PS @yssie - amazing detective work finding the older thread- it was extremely illuminating!!!
 
The correction didn't strike me as rude ::) It just wasn't sugar-coated. I disagree with your disagreement but I still like you. :bigsmile:
 
yssie said:
The correction didn't strike me as rude ::)
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@Ionysis - I agree with yssie on the specific response of your in question...it was just a quick, factual response, I didn't see it as "rude"...and I could have as easily made such a comment in a thread about Gibson Les Paul guitars! ( lots of incorrect terminology in forum discussions about them)
My comments about kindness are more in a general sense. I didn't mean to point to your response. The thread yssie linked to- from 11 years ago...brought back some memories of some very harsh discussions that used to take place here....I like the kinder PS:)

yssie said:
I still like you
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Right Back Atcha!!!
 
What an incredibly informative threat Yssie! Thanks so much for linking that.
 
Rockdiamond said:
I love talking about this...there's no "right answer" and it's fun! ( Compared to pretty much anything we could be talking about:)


I love what you posted- it simply adds to the intricacies of the subject.
In the second paragraph, it clearly states K-L are NOT "fancy" ( lower case, Garry:)
Yet in the final paragraph, it makes clear that "rare" colors are treated as "colored diamonds"
So.....is an L colored ( yellow tinted) diamond a "colored diamond"?
Based on how they are graded? ....no
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I totally agree with you. I think this is more clear, and based on the chart, I would say an L colored yellow would not be considered fancy...or is it Fancy...I'm confused again...lol!
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Mreader said:
I’m really confused how letters equal up to light blue. I always thought alphabet diamonds were yellow toned and wouldn’t be in other color categories.
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Alphabet diamonds can be yellow, brown or gray. Blue is considered fancy, and would be graded using the colored diamond scale.

Edited to add I didn't see @Rockdiamond's response before I posted this. He explains it much better.
 
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Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
Incorrect David. A light colored diamond has a Colored Diamond Report, but not a Fancy colored diamond report. A Fancy Light xxxxxx is a Fancy colored diamond.
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I have a related question - on the first GIA report why does "color distribution"
say 'not applicable' instead of even, or uneven? Is it because it isn't graded as Fancy?
 
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yssie said:
It looks like it agrees 100% to me? Do you see something that disagrees?
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No, I think they agree. I just needed a minute to compare the two. I haven't cracked open my lab manual in quite awhile. Lol!
 
Demon said:
I have a related question - on the first GIA report why does "color distribution"
say 'not applicable' instead of even, or uneven? Is it because it isn't graded as Fancy?
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I expect because it is not a Fancy diamond report, just a colored diamond report.

There are a number of issues not covered on half certs for example - everyone thinks it is just clarity missing but - a half cert does not include polish and symmetry grades which are often very poor. There are no table and depth percentage listed which can help you reject many diamonds. Fluorescence is not mentioned and can cause a marked reduction in apparent color and value.
 
I am lol at all the back and forth.
The way it should be in my opinion is if the report says "fancy" its fancy if it don't then its a colored diamond not a fancy colored diamond.
 
Karl_K said:
I am lol at all the back and forth.
The way it should be in my opinion is if the report says "fancy" its fancy if it don't then its a colored diamond not a fancy colored diamond.
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That is David's way Karl!
But you left the capital F out twice - naughty naughty!
 
Throw some fuel on the fire.
White and black diamonds get a Fancy grade (with a capital F).
Never seen a full report with a clarity grade and all the other stuff - but they alwys come up "Even" - which is kinda not a suprise.
 
Demon said:
I have a related question - on the first GIA report why does "color distribution"
say 'not applicable' instead of even, or uneven? Is it because it isn't graded as Fancy?
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I’m not 100% sure ( never called GIA to ask) but it seems to me that on faint colors, the saturation is so low that it’s not possible to assess “even-ness”.

Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
I expect because it is not a Fancy diamond report, just a colored diamond report.

There are a number of issues not covered on half certs for example - everyone thinks it is just clarity missing but - a half cert does not include polish and symmetry grades which are often very poor. There are no table and depth percentage listed which can help you reject many diamonds. Fluorescence is not mentioned and can cause a marked reduction in apparent color and value.
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Now you’re introducing a new wrinkle- “GIA Color Origin” is the “half report” Garry is referring to here. He’s correct that there’s a lot of missing info in such a report. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
I expect because it is not a Fancy diamond report, just a colored diamond report.

There are a number of issues not covered on half certs for example - everyone thinks it is just clarity missing but - a half cert does not include polish and symmetry grades which are often very poor. There are no table and depth percentage listed which can help you reject many diamonds. Fluorescence is not mentioned and can cause a marked reduction in apparent color and value.
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I wonder how many people get a colored diamond report instead of a Fancy diamond report, not knowing the aren't really the same. And it certainly makes you want to avoid buying a diamond with a half cert. That's a lot of missing information.
 
Demon said:
I wonder how many people get a colored diamond report instead of a Fancy diamond report, not knowing the aren't really the same. And it certainly makes you want to avoid buying a diamond with a half cert. That's a lot of missing information.
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Unfortunately Garry‘s last post really added confusion where does there does not need to be any.
There is no such thing as a “fancy Diamond report“
There is an abbreviated report available, called “Color Origin”.
This abbreviated report omits several crucial pieces of information such as the clarity, florescence, polish, symmetry. But these are only available for natural colored diamonds. Surely true that people have purchased colors Diamonds expecting a full report and were surprised to get a half (color origin) report. But that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about here
 
Demon said:
I wonder how many people get a colored diamond report instead of a Fancy diamond report, not knowing the aren't really the same. And it certainly makes you want to avoid buying a diamond with a half cert. That's a lot of missing information.
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BINGO! Most folks have no freaking idea those reports are really quit different beasts.
 
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