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Fancy Yellow Diamond Opinion on Setting

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spameater

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Been shopping around for awhile. Checked with local jewelers and online retailers.


Local Jeweler has .72 CT (in house-spec) fancy yellow princess cut for $5000

Setting is 18k white gold band, head, and yellow gold prongs. Split shank halo square edges rounded on the corners. Pave 3/4 down the band and around the head. The support structure of the head is white gold. .78 CT with 72 diamonds small diamonds.

Asking $3200.
Combined is $7000.

I requested more larger center stones closer to 1 CT of similar spec and they quoted 8,000 for the stone alone. A .75 Fancy INTENSE yellow they quoted $8,000 also. I feel they are asking too much.
Total combined price was $10-11K.




I have found online at retailer for a center stone that I like a lot.

.91 CT Fancy intense yellow Radiant. GIA: ($5000)
Specs:
Fancy Intense Yellow Even Color
VS1
65% depth
71% table
polish: very good
symmetry: very good
fluorescence: none
Length to width: 1.04
Measurements: 5.29 x 5.11 x 3.63 mm

Seen pictures looks good, I like the stone. My fiance to be liked the stone also. She prefers a slightly larger table so this stone matches perfectly.

I like the stone a lot and the value seems to be much better than the local jeweler. The issue is that I loved the setting in the jewelry store but they don't want to sell me just the setting. I contacted various online retailers to ask if they can make a similar setting. I provided the pictures and specs.

I asked the retailer if they could design a similar setting and they are in the process of checking. They came back and said the prongs would be yellow along with the head. They said this would give more yellow to the stone. What are your opinions on this?

Does this mean that where the diamond rests it is yellow but the support structures for the halo/head are still white gold? What do you think of having a head that is part yellow gold when viewed from the side while the rest of the ring is white gold?

Price is coming in at $2800-3000 but they will also mount the stone. 14k gold, 48 stones, .43 CT, square edges rounded corners on halo



Thanks for any feedback.


BTW the jewerler said online retailers get all the last picks of diamonds and they get the best. Essentially any online retailer diamond is stuck with left-overs that B&M stores didn't want. I understand B&M stores have large overheads and more profit margins but I know this isn't true.


Jewerly Store Photo:
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/IMAG0104_zpsd49da186.jpg
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/IMAG0103_zps8587d870.jpg

Online Retailer altering this settting:
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/Halotopview_zps15decd2f.jpg
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/HaloSideView_zps4fd900f0.jpg

My Idea of what online retailer is altering:
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/HaloSideViewedited_zps96284e6e.jpg
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/Haloeditedtopview_zpsdebc6cfa.jpg
 
That. B and m seller is full of crap and I would refuse to buy from someone who is so dishonest.
Whats your max budget? Where have you been looking online??
 
Blue Nile and Fancydiamonds.net. I found a similiar setting on fancydiamonds but there center stone requirement was 1.5CT.

I asked if they could alter it and sell me just the setting but they won't. I must also get the diamond from them. I looked at their website but could not find a similar diamond within the same price range.

The setting I found on fancydiamonds was listed as "radiant halo ring with split shank". It was under the build your ring pave.

I would only like to spend $7-8k for total package.
 
spameater|1359472799|3366385 said:
Local Jeweler has .72 CT (in house-spec) fancy yellow princess cut for $5000. Setting is 18k white gold band, head, and yellow gold prongs. Split shank halo square edges rounded on the corners. Pave 3/4 down the band and around the head. The support structure of the head is white gold. .78 CT with 72 diamonds small diamonds.

Asking $3200.
Combined is $7000.

No lab report so how do you know it is really a fancy yellow? What is the clarity? Any slight deviation in colouration makes a big difference dollar wise. Not only that, once set in a setting with yellow gold prongs (and basket), it can amp up the perceived colour by a full colour grade.

I requested more larger center stones closer to 1 CT of similar spec and they quoted 8,000 for the stone alone. A .75 Fancy INTENSE yellow they quoted $8,000 also. I feel they are asking too much. Total combined price was $10-11K.

Again, no paperwork to back up their claims that the stone is indeed graded as a fancy intense yellow, with no information on clarity. Even so, as you said, assuming the specs are correct and accurate, pricing is high.

Does this mean that where the diamond rests it is yellow but the support structures for the halo/head are still white gold? What do you think of having a head that is part yellow gold when viewed from the side while the rest of the ring is white gold?

It means that the basket and prongs are yellow, while the halo and shank remains in white gold. This is commonly done with fancy coloured diamonds and also coloured stones to play up the colour.


BTW the jewerler said online retailers get all the last picks of diamonds and they get the best. Essentially any online retailer diamond is stuck with left-overs that B&M stores didn't want. I understand B&M stores have large overheads and more profit margins but I know this isn't true.

Why do some retailers resort to such lies? :nono: This is a rhetorical question that does not require an answer.
Click to expand...
 
I wouldn't buy from someone that is that unprofessional. He's just jealous because he knows that if you did your homework and found a place online where you can get the same ring for significantly less he'd loose business. And he SHOULD! Liar.

Anyways, I found some other options for you:

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/halo-diamond-ring-66ct-fancy-yellow-radiant-split-shank-18kt-gia-r3817

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-71ct-radiant-cut-fancy-intense-yellow-si2-gia-vibrant-stone-great-price-r4138

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/halo-diamond-ring-101ct-radiant-cut-fancy-light-yellow-vs2-18k-white-and-yellow-gold-r4079

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/yellow-cushion-cut-diamond-110ct-fancy-light-yellow-internally-flawless-cushion-cut-gia-r4603
 
When they make the prongs yellow and the support for the diamond, is the support for the halo yellow? I prefer if it was white gold. I don't mind if the directly beneath the center stone is yellow but when viewed from the side I do not want to see yellow gold supporting the halo.

Which is it when they say the prongs and head would be yellow to amplify the color?
 
The prongs and support for the diamond should be yellow whilst the support for the halo should be white (if they are white diamonds). Please check with the jeweller designing and creating your ring that this is what they are doing. See the attached picture below. Sometimes, you can see the yellow gold FCD support in between the white gold halo support but not always, and it requires a good bit of squinting to make it out. That picture is the most obvious with the rest not showing it clearly or even not at all. Note that this is for a 5 ct stone and the pictures are greatly magnified.

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/halo-diamond-ring-503ct-fancy-yellow-vs1-cushion-cut-uber-set-gia-r4105

r4105-canary-diamond-ring-hand-c.jpg

r4105side-canary-diamond-ring.jpg
 
Chrono,

Thanks for those pictures. I have much clearer understanding of what the diamond actually sits on.
There is support for the diamond and there is support for the halo.
The support will be cast in yellow gold while the band+support for the halo are cast in white gold/platinum.

Take a look please at the setting the online retailer is altering and let me know if this setup is still possible based on the setting structure.

As for the setting style/design she is pretty set on it. I am only allowed to deviate slightly on the diamond. I would rather surprise her with a fancy intense instead of regular fancy because she saw a fancy intense and loved it.
 
Your mockup of the setting is certainly possible and doable, except for the donut or seat. It also needs to be in yellow gold as without that base strength, 4 measly solder joints isn't sufficient to hold the prongs together well enough to hold the diamond safely.

halosideviewedited_zps96284e6e.jpg
 
I do not want the yellow part in the first mockup picture (side view) to be visible. I rather that be white gold when viewed from the side. The top view mockup is fine with me.

Is that possible or does the lower yellow part on my side view mockup have to to be yellow gold since it looks to be connected to the prongs?


EDIT:

This is what I want:
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/HaloSideViewhighlighted2_zpsf847a40a.jpg

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/Haloeditedtopview2_zpsbf5655aa.jpg (same top view)

Basis of this thread:
^^^^^^ vs. this vvvvvvvvvv

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/HaloSideViewedited_zps96284e6e.jpg

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/Haloeditedtopview2_zpsbf5655aa.jpg (same top view)
 
spameater|1359477810|3366464 said:
Is that possible or does the lower yellow part on my side view mockup have to to be yellow gold since it looks to be connected to the prongs?
Click to expand...

No, to this. There are two circles when seen in your second mock-up. The first or upper ring is what holds the prongs together so they don't give way (open up and let the diamond go). The second or lower ring is the base that hold the prongs together and also attaches it to the rest of the ring. This entire portion (2 rings and 4 prongs) are a usually a single piece and called the basket.
 
spameater|1359477810|3366464 said:
This is what I want:
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/HaloSideViewhighlighted2_zpsf847a40a.jpg
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/Haloeditedtopview2_zpsbf5655aa.jpg (same top view)

Basis of this thread:
^^^^^^ vs. this vvvvvvvvvv
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/HaloSideViewedited_zps96284e6e.jpg
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/invisible369/Haloeditedtopview2_zpsbf5655aa.jpg (same top view)
Click to expand...


I am afraid the answer is no to all the above, due to structural issues. However, if you alter the design slightly, then it can be done.
 
What is your opinion on having the base being yellow while the rest of the ring is white gold (not including the prongs)?
 
Chrono|1359478004|3366468 said:
spameater|1359477810|3366464 said:
Is that possible or does the lower yellow part on my side view mockup have to to be yellow gold since it looks to be connected to the prongs?
Click to expand...

No, to this. There are two circles when seen in your second mock-up. The first or upper ring is what holds the prongs together so they don't give way (open up and let the diamond go). The second or lower ring is the base that hold the prongs together and also attaches it to the rest of the ring. This entire portion (2 rings and 4 prongs) are a usually a single piece and called the basket.
Click to expand...

And the basket has to be all cast the same as one type of metal? So it is either all yellow or all white?


I like this design:
http://www.fancydiamonds.net/design_your_own_diamond_ring/.

Filter for "pave"


4th one down the center column (radiant halo with split shank). See how it has white gold support and yellow prongs?
 
It will look prettier if it looks like an all white metal on the outside with the yellow gold basket hidden creatively inside.
 
Chrono|1359479082|3366487 said:
It will look prettier if it looks like an all white metal on the outside with the yellow gold basket hidden creatively inside.
Click to expand...

So you are saying based on this setting mockup
----

that having the white metal on the outside with yellow gold basket hidden inside is not possible due to the structure of this setting?

I am stuck with the setting mockup I linked above if I want yellow prongs?
 
spameater|1359479318|3366490 said:
Chrono|1359479082|3366487 said:
It will look prettier if it looks like an all white metal on the outside with the yellow gold basket hidden creatively inside.
Click to expand...

So you are saying based on this setting mockup
----

that having the white metal on the outside with yellow gold basket hidden inside is not possible due to the structure of this setting?

I am stuck with the setting mockup I linked above if I want yellow prongs?
Click to expand...
Yes unless you want to add more prongs to the basket to make it like the one chrono posted. Then those would hide the prongs holding the stone
 
spameater|1359479602|3366497 said:
SKU R4021RAD

BTW Thank you all for your instant feedback. Has been really helpful.



http://www.fancydiamonds.net/_media/diamonds1/diamond-rings-r4021rad.1.45fbc.jpg
http://www.fancydiamonds.net/_media/diamonds1/diamond-rings-r4021rad.06eb6.jpg
http://www.fancydiamonds.net/_media/diamonds1/icon/diamond-rings-r4021rad.4.d1f25.jpg
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htat setting looks like exactly what she wants. and i think its worth it to have it set by people who know how to set fancy colored stones
 
They won't do it. I already asked. They setting is designed for min. CW of 1.50.

They won't even sell me the setting by itself even if I pay extra for the modification to fit a .91. They want me to buy their diamonds but they don't have one with similar specs or else I would go through them.

I can always get the stone and setting set together through a local jewerly shop for free or couple hundred. The problem is getting the setting. I have the stone :(

Currently I am going through blue nile.
 
I thought you have to buy the diamond from BN for them to sell you the setting?
 
Well they will sell me the setting since I am getting their diamond. I am just having them customized the setting for a premium over one of their mass-produced settings. I am just not feeling confident they can fulfill my needs for the setting design I want.
 
I am sorry to say I agree with you about my level of confidence with regards to BN's modification capability and workmanship.
 
I really sugest just getting in touch with diamonds by laura. Show them some pictures of what youcwant I'd bet they could accommodate for your budget
 
Any ideas?

Option 1: Keep hounding BN until they get the exact setting I want - $3000.
Diamond price $5000 + $3000 setting + they mount free = Total $8000

Option 2: Buy the original setting from the jeweler and eat the mark-up $4000.
Diamond price $5000 + $4000 setting + they mount = Total $9000

Option 3: Find another online retailer that can make a similar setting for $2-3000.
Diamond price $5000 + $500 local jeweler to mount + $2500 = $8000

Option 4: Scrap my original diamond from BN, ask if Fancydiamond can find me a similar spec diamond and use their setting.
Diamond price: $6000 + they mount + setting $2500 = $8500


Style I want:
http://www.fancydiamonds.net/_media/diamonds1/diamond-rings-r4021rad.06eb6.jpg
http://www.fancydiamonds.net/_media/diamonds1/diamond-rings-r4021rad.1.45fbc.jpg
 
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