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For the millionth time, "manipulating" pics can be good or bad

kenny

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As I've posted many times over the last 15+ years ...
There is noting sacred, superior, pure, better, right, correct, or "honest" about what comes directly out of a camera - a cheap camera or the best money can buy.
Manipulating aka post-processing, Photoshopping, correcting, is usually necessary if you want gem color to look correct.

Even the smartest most expensive cameras are inferior to the human eye-brain system.
Cameras can only do what they're told, and it's often wrong.

Light, color, matching the camera's white balance to the color of the light used is a complex thing.
The best cameras can do pretty well, but all fail compared to the sophisticated eye-brain system that every human possesses.
Then there is the quagmire of inaccuracies of monitors on computers, laptops, smartphones etc.

So-called "manipulation" of pics is not inherently good or bad, any more than is a knife, or a car.
You can murder with a knife (bad) or chop a tomato (good).
A car can be used as a getaway vehicle for a crime (bad), or to drive a woman in labor to the ER (good).

Yes, Photoshop and other post-processing software can be used to lie, to make gems look better than they are.
But such software can also be used to correct pics directly from the camera to make them closer to the truth.

Yet here again we're hearing that all manipulation of pic from a camera is bad.
As I've posted many times, this is a lie - a widely-believed lie.

Photography can lie or tell the truth.
The honest ethical competent photographer (vendor or civilian) with even the finest equipment knows (s)he must often turn the lies from the camera into the truth via post-processing.
Yes of course, some dishonest folks, vendors or civilians, can use post processing to lie and make colored gems seem better than they really are.

Oh, and if you're nuts enough (like me) to spend $36,000.00 on a 10-point Fancy Red fire engine red FCD that really does not have any brown in it (unlike many that GIA has graded pure Fancy Red) then it's not surprising some reasonable and competent photographers would accuse you of using post processing to lie.
Who really spends 36 K for 10 points?
Hard to believe, but there are a few of us who really do spend obscene amounts for the best of the best-colored, though tiny, FCDs.

When it comes to equipment I have a Nikon DSLR D810.
The body with no lens was $3,200 when I bought it.
Throw in another 10 grand on top-end lenses and it still does not guarantee 100% perfectly accurate pics right out of the camera.
I mention this not to brag, but to inform that post-processing (call it manipulation) is essential if you want pics that tell the truth about gem color.
... and yes good lighting, and competent understand of white balance are also essential.
 
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I think what matters is how much you're altering the color by. With my own pictures, I've had to tweak saturation/contrast/lighting levels since my phone camera's pretty bad at accurate color capture. I don't view it as being deceptive; rather, that's what it takes to get a true to life picture.

That being said, I've also seen plenty of vendors apply so many adjustments/filters that when I've seen them in real life, I've had to double check that they're the same one lol. I don't think they do it to be malicious either. Rather, it's more a matter of keeping up with their competitors (that is, they're competitors are doing it to attract customers). That's why I think it's really important to see gemstones in person first so you can get a sense of what reality vs. PS-ed images will look like.
 
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So true Kenny.

Your collection is a great inspiration.

I bought a 0,15 ct Fancy vivid green yellow - it is so difficult to show the color in a video using my ipad. Direct sun would be the best to show the textmarker color but sometimes the stone is complety bright white like using direct LW UV. My eye sees a wonderful glowing greenyellow stone in this moment...

 
Beautiful colors, Nosean. :kiss2:
 
Great post Kenny. I find my camera captures some gems really well and others so poorly. I have a mint garnet that looks 10x better in real life compared to what my camera picks up. On the other end of the spectrum, my pastel blue tourmaline always gets over saturated by the camera so I have to dial It back (so to speak). I have no problem with people adjusting pics to what their eye sees.

PS. Feel like sharing a pic of that red FCD? :Up_to_something:
 
Teeth? I am old....;)
 
... PS. Feel like sharing a pic of that red FCD? :Up_to_something:

It's at 2 o'clock in this previously-posted pic.

The 2.26 ct asshcer in the center was upgraded to my current Octavia Asscher.
All the FCDs have GIA reports stating the material was mined (not lab-grown) and the color itself is of natural origin (not lab-treatment).
The stones are sitting in salt.
If you see FCD color around some of them it is just the salt being colored by colored light from the FCD - not some halo artifact of photography processing.
And yes that is the paraiba-ish, natural out of the earth color, in that 8 point Fancy Intense Greenish Blue pear - my smallest FCD.

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It's at 2 o'clock in this pic.

The 2.26 ct asshcer in the center was upgraded to my current Octavia Asscher.
All the FCDs have GIA reports stating the material was mined (not lab-grown) and the color itself is of natural origin (not lab-trreatment).
The stones are sitting in salt.
If you see FCD color around some of them it is just the salt being colored by colored light from the FCD - not some artifact of photography processing.

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Holy Guacamole! :lickout: :love: :drool:
I can’t believe they’re all FCD’s...you have an incredible collection.
 
Thanks.
If people care to search around PS there are a million pics in several threads from several years ago.
 
Have still pic of your 0,08 ct Fancy intense greenish blue pear ( sceenshots from your vendor).

INTENSE - really? VIVID imo - but somestimes GIA is funny...
 
Oh my gosh they're goooorgeous!
What an incredible collection!
Btw- why rice rather than paper or velvet?
 
$36,000 on a .10 fancy fire-engine red? :-o Someone bring me the AED!
 
Has anyone tried to capture the colour of an alexandrite the human eye sees with a camera? All I can say is, good luck with that!
 
That red diamond is just....sexy?!
I feel like a weirdo saying that but that is my first thought every time I look at that photo.
 
I don't think I have ever seen such a beautiful collection of the fancy colours. Truly stunning, thanks @kenny for sharing! :appl:
 
Great post Kenny. I find my camera captures some gems really well and others so poorly. I have a mint garnet that looks 10x better in real life compared to what my camera picks up. On the other end of the spectrum, my pastel blue tourmaline always gets over saturated by the camera so I have to dial It back (so to speak). I have no problem with people adjusting pics to what their eye sees.

PS. Feel like sharing a pic of that red FCD? :Up_to_something:

Greens seems to be the hardest color to photograph accurately, especially the more intense green stones. I have a few Nikon cameras and an Olympus and none can capture the green stones well.
 
36k for a 10pt fancy red diamond! o_O
$36,000 on a .10 fancy fire-engine red? :-o Someone bring me the AED!

That's what I thought too! Wow, just wow!

DK o_O
 
It's at 2 o'clock in this previously-posted pic.

The 2.26 ct asshcer in the center was upgraded to my current Octavia Asscher.
All the FCDs have GIA reports stating the material was mined (not lab-grown) and the color itself is of natural origin (not lab-treatment).
The stones are sitting in salt.
If you see FCD color around some of them it is just the salt being colored by colored light from the FCD - not some halo artifact of photography processing.
And yes that is the paraiba-ish, natural out of the earth color, in that 8 point Fancy Intense Greenish Blue pear - my smallest FCD.

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This photo is museum level beauty. I’m stunned. That green diamond looks antique cut... that pink diamond is wow. Each color is amazing. I’d love to know the stories behind your purchase of each of these beauties. Some day! I’d love for you to show us your new Octavia in this array some day. I’ll have to find its SMTB. Thank you for this thread!
 
Maybe some research how the vendors pics looked like...









Outstanding FCDs - each one a little masterpiece and Kenny did an awesome job in my opinion...
 
Sorry salt.... my eyes read salt my fingers typed rice
 
Oh my gosh they're goooorgeous!
What an incredible collection!
Btw- why rice rather than paper or velvet?

I think it’s easier to get multiple unset (especially small) gems facing the camera lens direction correctly for a group glam shot like that , on something like salt.
 
Sorry salt.... my eyes read salt my fingers typed rice

Lol you said rice and salt.....now I'm hungry!

Kenny what a Beautiful shot! Such rich vivid colors packed into these tiny wonders!

Although I dont know if I could personally stomach spending 36k on a .10ct stone: lord have mercy!

Burn em if you got em though!
 
Some beautiful stones there!

We've discovered that Opal is incredibly difficult to get photos of where the photo shows what your eyes are seeing, my wife does our photos ans the best way it has been described to me where I understand the issue is that you're trying to capture in a photo with one lens what your brain sees in HD video with two lenses.

For anyone trying to get photo or video of their Opals and are having trouble getting the colours to show, manipulation of the light exposure setting on the camera will help this. Black and Dark Opals need over exposure, White and Crystal Opals need under exposure. This can be done in Photoshop as well, but it's better to try and do this with the camera settings before taking the photo or video and get the little LCD screen looking as close to what you see as possible.
 
I have an iPhone 6, that’s the limit of my photography equipment.
I was rather pleased when I found out I could “zoom in” - yay me.
Seriously though, I look at my item with my eyes and then look at the resulting photo and see if the two match. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t.
Photographing Alexandrite?
I can get the incandescent colour accurately represented in an iPhone photo, but the daylight colour - nigh impossible.
I don’t think there’s an issue with post production adjustment of photos if that’s what it takes to make the photo look like the real life image. The problems arise when buying via photos that aren’t showing true life appearance. Nothing is more disappointing than falling in love with the colour of a gem and buy it only to discover that in real life, it’s not as you wanted and expected.
@kenny - your FCD are too die for. Such exquisite colours. And I can understand why you’d spend $36,000 on a 10 pointer, that red is pure and so so rare.
 
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We've discovered that Opal is incredibly difficult to get photos of where the photo shows what your eyes are seeing, my wife does our photos ans the best way it has been described to me where I understand the issue is that you're trying to capture in a photo with one lens what your brain sees in HD video with two lenses.
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One lenses vs. two?
Huh? What does this mean?
How can two lenses be installed onto one camera body. :confused:
Do tell.

If needed, have your wife (the photographer) explain.
Perhaps hunky sexy males, who only know how to fish, can't attain such higher levels of intellectual sophistication. :lol:

Perhaps you mean, unlike a standard camera, we humans have two eyes (stereo-vision) so we see two versions of things.
So you're describing how it looks when one brain combines what is viewed by two eyes/lenses separated by a couple inches.
Is that it?

I think Garry has before eluded to this problematic phenomenon.
 
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One lenses vs. two?
Huh? What does this mean?
How can two lenses be installed onto one camera body. :confused:
Do tell.

If needed, have your wife (the photographer) explain.
Perhaps hunky sexy males, who only know how to fish, can't attain such higher levels of intellectual sophistication. :lol:

Perhaps you mean, unlike a standard camera, we humans have two eyes (stereo-vision) so we see two versions of things.
So you're describing how it looks when one brain combines what is viewed by two eyes/lenses separated by a couple inches.
Is that it?

I think Garry has before eluded to this problematic phenomenon.

Correct, two eyes vs one camera lens. Our brain processes two lenses (our eyes) to create an image for our brain, yet the camera is only doing so with one lens. So when we look at the flat image it reproduces against the Opal on our hand, we wonder why the photo doesn't look right. And that only gets worse with Opal because different colours show at different angles and our eyes both get slightly different angles when we look at the stone.

And hey - I resemble that remark :lol: but I can also polish Opals, this old dog can learn a new trick sometimes :mrgreen:

Garry may know more but it's how the issue has been explained to me by other Opal cutters as well. Makes sense to me, but as you said I might have trouble achieving high levels of intellectual sophistication :lol:
 
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