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Perhaps this does not occur much, but in any case, I thought you all would be a good source of advice.

My girlfriend and I have been together for quite some time now (5+ years) and I have recently found myself being a gentlemen in waiting. We were always too young, had school to finish, etc, etc, etc so the thought of marriage was somewhat on the back burner. I''ve recently felt like there will never be an ''ideal'' time, so why not sometime soon? I''m ready to make the commitment, and very much excited about everything it will bring.

Here''s the punchline--from the little conversations we''ve had, I don''t believe she''s ready for marriage. She''s still in school (grad school) so I can kind of understand her position, but at the same time, if we''re both ready to spend the rest of our lives with each other, why not go ahead and get engaged? Plus, we can have an extended engagement (2 years would put her out of school) which I''m not at all opposed to. I''m just ready to make the commitment. She''s very independent and feels like getting married this young (mid 20s) kind of takes something away from each of us. Again, I can somewhat understand this, but we''re certainly not getting any younger and I''m getting tired of feeling like we don''t have a real commitment.

Here''s the kicker, and where I really need advice (sorry for such a long post). I decided I wanted to propose to her, so I have planned a trip abroad for a week in the summer. I was planning on buying a diamond before we left (letting her choose the setting later) and possibly even getting her parents blessing. She knows a little bit about the trip, but none of my intentions. While I would love the whole thing to be a surprise, I also now (after having a recent conversation about marriage, etc) don''t want to completely put her on the spot. Worse yet, I wouldn''t want her to say no. As I see it, I have 3 options:

1) Don''t tell her, take the trip, and propose as planned.
2) Don''t tell her, purchase a diamond, and discuss my original plans the first night we get there. If things work out, I''ll have the diamond to propose to her with. If not, we could wait, and I could still return the diamond.
3) Tell her of my intentions prior to leaving and go from there.

What are your thoughts?
 
Wow, that''s a hard one to give advice on.

Has she flat out said she doesn''t want to be engaged and planning yet? Or has she just kind of vented about how busy she is and how it would be a lot on her plate to try and be a wife and a student? I think the only way you can really know where she''s at is to ask her point blank...when do you see us getting engaged? How long would you like to be engaged? I wouldn''t tell her your plans or even make any plans until you know how she feels. Girls can be so cryptic sometimes about what we want so sometimes the best thing is to just flat out ask us.

Sorry, that''s the best advice I can give, I think.
 
Well, she hasn't said flat out she would not like to be engaged. I don't think she'd necessarily like to be a student and wife (although that may change) but I'm not sure about being a fiance and wife. I should probably ask before the trip like you said.

That being said, the trip is being planned and will be taken regardless. If she does not want to get engaged, then we'll enjoy a week abroad together at least!

I'll add a 4th possibility.
4) Talk to her and feel her out prior to leaving without disclosing plans. It might mean taking the trip without proposing, but at least we'd be on the same page.
 
Maybe you can ask her about it - how she feels about being married, where she sees your relationship in 5+ years or so, and kind of feel her out on the subject. I can understand her not wanting the pressure of planning a wedding and going to school at the same time - because that is a lot to deal with.

However, I wouldn''t just take her on the trip and propose unless you know she''ll be happy with that. Express your feelings of commitment to her, and see if she reciprocates. I have two very close friends - one who just got married that is going for her Masters - and the other who just got engaged and is going for her Bachelors - and they had no problem with being engaged/planning the wedding while in school.

I would recommend talking to her first, before you make any plan, and see what you can get out of her without giving anything away about your plans.
 

One question that comes to mind is this…do you live together? Do you plan on having children? Is she wanted to attend school after this school?


One suggestion I would make is that perhaps you can stress to her that you would like a longer engagement than most. Tell her that a 2 year engagement is not out of the question and that there are some possibilities as to when you can get married. I can understand not wanting the added pressure and I can understand her wanting to enjoy planning her wedding and looking at different things rather than obsessing about finals.


I don’t think I would tell her everything, but casually mention it and get her reaction. Then you can go from there. Do what feels right to you. Only you can decide what you think is best for your relationship.
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In the end, just feel her out. But I do think the trip would be great for both of you.
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A big, whopping yes to number 4! It''s the same advice that tends to be given here to women who are anxiously awaiting a proposal.
4) Talk to her and feel her out prior to leaving without disclosing plans. It might mean taking the trip without proposing, but at least we''d be on the same page."

You sound pretty mature, and you''ve certainly been together long enough that you should be able to discuss big things like marriage openly with each other. If she''s anywhere near as independent as I always considered myself, she wouldn''t appreciate being blindsided by a proposal after telling you fairly clearly that she''s not ready. I was the one in my relationship who wanted to wait. We were together 5 years before getting officially engaged, but he began feeling me out on the subject less than a year in. I was DEFINITELY not ready then, but I didn''t want to break up either since I knew at some point I would be, so I made that clear to him. When he did finally propose, it was still a total surprise to me because we had not specifically talked about getting engaged in the past year or so, but we had both put a great deal of thought into it and felt ready (more or less-I was still kind of scared!
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). But that''s not to say you can''t do your research, and be prepared for the eventual proposal anyway, and your idea of choosing the diamond and letting her pick a setting is a very thoughtful one. Good luck!
 
Date: 1/24/2008 10:04:22 AM
Author: ambition
Well, she hasn''t said flat out she would not like to be engaged. I don''t think she''d necessarily like to be a student and wife (although that may change) but I''m not sure about being a fiance and wife. I should probably ask before the trip like you said.

That being said, the trip is being planned and will be taken regardless. If she does not want to get engaged, then we''ll enjoy a week abroad together at least!

I''ll add a 4th possibility.
4) Talk to her and feel her out prior to leaving without disclosing plans. It might mean taking the trip without proposing, but at least we''d be on the same page.
My vote is for option #4. It is so important to communicate and make sure you are both on the same page with things, even if that means a proposal is not in your next trip. Good luck!
 
Thanks all for your advice and kind words. I think I''m definitely going to go with option 4 :) It''s a bit frustrating at times as I feel like we''re arbitrarily waiting for things (although it''s fairly obvious she has her reasons) and I''m ready for the next stage! I suppose in the end, I''ll have to give her the time she feels she needs.

Now the hard part is going to be trying to feel out when she''ll be ready.

Any other advice is always welcome!
 
You have no idea how many woman would love to hear what you''re saying now coming from their men! I totally agree with number 4. Personally I wouldn''t propose until you''ve had enough chats to know that she will say yes. I understand that it will take some of the surprise out of it but it''s best to know that you''re still on the same page with regards to this. Best of luck with the chats.
 
Thanks Bee*! You''re from Ireland, correct (guessing from some earlier posts I saw of yours)? That''s actually where I''m taking her this summer and am really excited, proposal or not!
 
Yeah I live in Dublin! Ooh that''s so exciting! Which parts of Ireland are you going to? If you need any info or a hand looking into something just send me a post.
 
whoops double post! Sorry
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Bee*, I''m actually not sure yet--still working on planning the entire trip! We are flying into Dublin, and fly out of there as well. I''d love to get your advice/input
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I couldn''t figure out a way to send private messages, am I missing something?
 
there are no private messages on this board...I think if you need contact info you need to contact the admin and they will get their permission first.
 
Alexis is right-there are no private messages but I don''t mind posting on a thread.I think it all depends on how long you''ve got. If you''re flying into Dublin I''d spend about three days here, taking in a day trip to somewhere like Glendalough. Glendalough is about an hour away from Dublin and there are plenty of tours that will take you there from the city center. Also if the weathers good and you have an extra day or two I would take the dart (our train route in Dublin) out to Dun Laoghaire and walk the pier-I work out near here and in the summer it''s amazing. You have to get a Teddy''s ice-cream if you''re out in Dun Laoghaire also-it''s a must
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I would definitely take in Galway, Kerry, Cork and Mayo also. Especially Kerry. I''m not sure if you''re hiring a car or travelling around on trains/buses but you can get to all these locations. Kerry is beautiful. We go there for a week every year with our dog. Go to Dingle, Kenmare and some of the surrounding areas. I probably wouldn''t particularly go to Killarney-it''s nice but there are nicer towns. Galway is my favourite city apart from Dublin. It has such a cool vibe-there''s so much to do and it''s very compact so you can walk around the whole city. You can get a taxi out to Salthill to the aquarium and to the amusements and if you go a bit further afield you travel through some beautiful towns and there are some great places to stop for lunch.
If you fancy staying in a castle on your travels, the castle that we''re getting married in take nightly reservations also. Cabra Castle. There are plenty of b and b''s to stay in on your travels and they are a lot better value than staying in hotels. Most will give you a key so you can come and go as you please.That''s all I can think of now but if you have any other questions give me a shout.
 
Here''s one of our photos of Kerry-it''s just so beautiful and scenic.

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Ooooooooooooh, that''s gorgeous!
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And reminds me that I have a friend over yonder who needs a visit from yours truly...
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definitely! Any time you''re over here give me a shout Gwen!
 
Wow, that picture of Kerry is amazing! We will definitely be going there.

The plan, right now, is to fly into Dublin, spend the day there and then stay at the Clontarf Castle Hotel right outside Dublin. While very modern, it looks incredible! I actually tried making reservations at Cabra Castle but they are booked already. It's too bad as it looks beautiful. What an amazing place for a wedding! I've reserved a rental car so we'll be traveling the countryside on our own. I haven't mapped it out yet but I would like to see a bit of Ireland in the following few days and then return to Dublin for the last day or two.

I'll have to post any questions once I get more of the planning under way. Thanks for the great advice.
 
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