GIA VS1 but a bruise and a cavity? Would that be a no go?

[Mreader]

This is for an old cut stone that weighs just under 3 carat. Also I can tell from the plot that the cavity is on the left hand side, but on the right I cannot tell what the shading on the right represents. Anyway the clarity is still VS1 but given that it's a cavity would it be a vulnerable stone, especially given the location?

 

[lovedogs]

I feel like in a VS1 it shouldn't be an issue, but I am not an expert on durability. I've also never heard of a "bruise" so that's something for me to research

 

[Wink]

If you are dealing with a vendor who allows a reasonable return period, you can bring it in to look over and return if you do not like. With a VS1 grade, you may well find the inclusions so small as to be insignificant. They will certainly not be eye visible. I suspect the large shaded areas on the left and right are naturals. Without the diamond in hand to inspect, I reserve the right to be wrong...

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[Karl_K]

yes that spot would be vulnerable and should be protected which limits setting choice.
In a mrb I would say pass on it but a near 3ct oec is special.

 

[yssie]

yes that spot would be vulnerable and should be protected which limits setting choice.
In a mrb I would say pass on it but a near 3ct oec is special.

This. Completely.

And many genuine antiques have much much worse! If you love the faceting and other specs and price is right - I wouldn’t give these inclusions a second thought.

My one rec would be to be picky about your setter. Someone like Caysie or Sako or Adam or Grace’s bench or Erika or Leon or Maytal, someone who’s used to working with delicate, wonky, sometimes-broken antiques - I’m confident they’d be able to safely prong those pavilion-side inclusions (which are actually very well-placed to be pronged, damage risk aside).

 

[Mreader]

It’s actually already in a setting but I would want to remove it if I did get it which is a big “if” anyway. I lost out on a ring I had my heart set on so I’m just looking for possible alternatives. Not so sure about facet pattern; looks like it might be a bit “mushy” but can’t tell exactly - I have a photo taken from a video and video was in jewelry store (so jewelry light!!!).

 

[Mreader]

And the stock photo is really bad which is why I asked to see vids. Close up of stock - so weirdly washed out.

 

[Mreader]

so @yssie I am interested in your analysis

mm is 8.85x9.09x5.79 so seems like the face up size may look a bit smaller; it's at 2.92 ct

 

[yssie]

Can you share the video and/or more pics?

The stone looks like it’s got some finger oils on it in the flower pic - that will exacerbate marginal light escape or mushiness.

Stock pic really is terrible - looks like it was taken through a white sheet with a hole just big enough for the camera eye!

 

[Mreader]

Can you share the video and/or more pics?

The stone looks like it’s got some finger oils on it in the flower pic - that will exacerbate marginal light escape or mushiness.

Stock pic really is terrible - looks like it was taken through a white sheet with a hole just big enough for the camera eye!

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[Diamond Girl 21]

I feel like in a VS1 it shouldn't be an issue, but I am not an expert on durability. I've also never heard of a "bruise" so that's something for me to research

Hi @lovedogs . Here's the definition.

"Bruise. A tiny area of impact accompanied by very small, root-link feathers; typically occurs at a facet junction." (From GIA)

 

[yssie]

That video isn't showing us much unfortunately - it's too low-quality and too distanced to be clear. It's definitely promising and worth getting more pictures and info on, that much is clear!

Is the stone grubby? Or is the GIA very old, and the stone has seen non-trivial wear and tear (possibly multiple resets) since the report was issued? I can't tell.

 

[Mreader]

That video isn't showing us much unfortunately - it's too low-quality and too distanced to be clear. It's definitely promising and worth getting more pictures and info on, that much is clear!

Is the stone grubby? Or is the GIA very old, and the stone has seen non-trivial wear and tear (possibly multiple resets) since the report was issued? I can't tell.

It’s from 2017 so not brand new.

 

[yssie]

That's not that old. That's good.
Do you have any more pictures or videos? And can vendor be sure to clean the stone before further photography - if that's dirt we're seeing on the pavilion esp that will create mushiness and lessen crispness - if it's damage then it's not reflected on the report and a new report is needed
Typos - phone

 

[FL_runner]

It looks promising! I defer to the experts on durability/potential issues though. I actually like it set as a three stone.

 

[Mreader]

That's not that old. That's good.
Do you have any more pictures or videos? And can vendor be sure to clean the stone before further photography - if that's dirt we're seeing on the pavilion esp that will create mushiness and lessen crispness - if it's damage then it's not reflected on the report and a new report is needed
Typos - phone

I will have to call and ask them for more details; I don't even know what type of policy they have for returns and that would be important Thank you!

ETA the only other pics are all the one that are washed out. I don't want to post too many (just in case there are lurkers as some people mention haha).

 

[Mreader]

It looks promising! I defer to the experts on durability/potential issues though. I actually like it set as a three stone.

I like the three stone too but am more interested in a solitaire. Then maybe poach the sides stones and find matching stones for a nice five stone .

 

[Texas Leaguer]

Durability concern is legitimate given the size of the cavities plotted and the other natural(s) present. However, if you are open to a bezel setting you could eliminate virtually all that risk. (even a half bezel might do the trick considering the location of the features).

As a note, the high clarity grade does not necessarily mean the cavities are inconsequential. A cavity is kind of a hybrid between a surface blemish and an inclusion, but seems to be treated as more of a blemish than inclusion in assigning the clarity grade.

 

[Mreader]

More photos but they all look the same still. Either the faceting isn

That's not that old. That's good.
Do you have any more pictures or videos? And can vendor be sure to clean the stone before further photography - if that's dirt we're seeing on the pavilion esp that will create mushiness and lessen crispness - if it's damage then it's not reflected on the report and a new report is needed
Typos - phone

More photos but they look the same. So I’m only posting one. Either the faceting is not crisp or the reflection is still bad.

 

[Tourmaline]

They aren’t giving you head-on photos, and they are holding the lens too close to the stone. This stone looks incredibly promising.

 

[yssie]

It really does look very promising.
But it does NOT look like a VS1. Confident it's the right stone/report match? If so - can she please clean it properly?
Any chance you can see this in-person?

 

[Mreader]

@Tourmaline I am not sure they are holding it that close. I cropped it. Here’s another from farther away.

 

[Mreader]

It really does look very promising.
But it does NOT look like a VS1. Confident it's the right stone/report match? If so - can she please clean it properly?
Any chance you can see this in-person?

I don’t live anywhere close to Chicago and not up for taking a flight for it lol. I still need to sell my ring if I am to upgrade but could possibly pull the trigger without doing so if it were perfect. When you say not VS1 is this bc you can see inclusions?

 

[yssie]

Yeah. Lots of #Stuff in the stone that's not reflected on the report (and is also much more than what I'd expect from a GIA VS1).

 

[Tourmaline]

@Tourmaline I am not sure they are holding it that close. I cropped it. Here’s another from farther away.

When I take a picture of my OEC, if I am anywhere near it with the camera, under the table looks dark because it reflects the lens. I have to hold it further away and zoom in. I have a feeling that the people taking pictures of this diamond don’t like the reflection head-on, but instead of pulling further away, they’re holding it at an angle.

 

[Mreader]

When I take a picture of my OEC, if I am anywhere near it with the camera, under the table looks dark because it reflects the lens. I have to hold it further away and zoom in. I have a feeling that the people taking pictures of this diamond don’t like the reflection head-on, but instead of pulling further away, they’re holding it at an angle.

I wish they could take a better pic. Grrrrr. Because yes the light reflects back and you can't see well at all!

 

[yssie]

I don’t live anywhere close to Chicago and not up for taking a flight for it lol. I still need to sell my ring if I am to upgrade but could possibly pull the trigger without doing so if it were perfect. When you say not VS1 is this bc you can see inclusions?

Can I ask if this is a vendor? Or a private party?

Would you have any option to return if you went ahead with a purchase?

 

[Mreader]

Can I ask if this is a vendor? Or a private party?

Would you have any option to return if you went ahead with a purchase?

Not a private party. They have a storefront near Chicago and sell on eBay also. I think they do have returns - on eBay they do anyway but I would want to go to the source if I got it. I haven’t yet asked about their return policy.

 

[Tourmaline]

Not a private party. They have a storefront near Chicago and sell on eBay also. I think they do have returns - on eBay they do anyway but I would want to go to the source if I got it. I haven’t yet asked about their return policy. Their IG:

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Ok, I looked around and found the ring on eBay. This ring was in my watch list during my OEC search, and I decided I was able to go bigger. This is a BEAUTIFUL stone with totally desirable proportions for an OEC. I am advising you to get it.

 

[Mreader]

Ok, I looked around and found the ring on eBay. This ring was in my watch list during my OEC search, and I decided I was able to go bigger. This is a BEAUTIFUL stone with totally desirable proportions for an OEC. I am advising you to get it.

Did you get to see it in person? I guess my question is if the proportions are ideal, does that automatically mean that the facet pattern should be crisp? That’s what concerns me. I will inquire about returns with them.