Green diamond with green fluorescence

[westofhere]

It seems like Andrew is buying for the fantasy of believing he’s found something valuable. As long as he’s not paying more than fifty bucks for these pieces, and as long as he has the disposable income after bills, nest egg, home ownership, retirement funds, etc, it may be worth it to him to believe things are diamonds even when they’re not. I probably waste as much on coffee per month as he spent on his “diamond”!

 

[lovedogs]

It seems like Andrew is buying for the fantasy of believing he’s found something valuable. As long as he’s not paying more than fifty bucks for these pieces, and as long as he has the disposable income after bills, nest egg, home ownership, retirement funds, etc, it may be worth it to him to believe things are diamonds even when they’re not. I probably waste as much on coffee per month as he spent on his “diamond”!

Fair point. I just want to be clear in case folks read these threads later down the line and are under the mistaken impression that buying this kind of stuff is a way to make money. It isn't.

 

[westofhere]

Agree 100%. And people should know that UV testers are fun but cannot identify gems. And if you walk into a pawn shop with one, the employees will know you’re an easy mark!

 

[Bron357]

It is possible to buy “mislabelled” gems, I’ve done it quite a few times. However it’s the exception rather than the rule and despite my considerable experience with gemstones, it was more luck than knowledge that landed me lovely gemstones.
Yes, high carat gold is more likely to mean that the gem is better than glass or lab grown but it is nigh impossible to decide or detect by viewing a few photos.
Identifying gemstones is usually a multi stage testing procedure.
Yes magnetism and UV reactions are part of the testing, but the ”big three” are Specific Gravity, Refractive Index and Microscopic examination. These tests are reliable for identifying between types of gemstones.
Many types of lab grown gemstones are virtually identical to natural with all tests except for microscopic examination and further chemical analysis. Some treatments of natural gemstones require specialised testing ie secondary ion mass spectrometry to analyse the trace element concentrations.
Most jewellers and pawnbrokers will use a Presidum gem tester to distinguish between gemstone types. It’s quick but not without its risks if misidentification. And certainly lab grown material and treated material can’t be distinguished by a Presidium.
Moissanite does test as Diamond on a Presidium. Any lab grown material will test as natural on a Presidium. However a Presidium can ID glass/ CZ from natural, can seperate blue topaz from Aquamarine and a few others,

 

[pokerface]

A good rule of thumb is if you are buying a gem that is advertised as natural peridot, you are unlikely to end up with something that is more valuable than peridot. If you have a ring stamped from a high end maker, but the center stone is unusually included, the likely scenario is that the original center stone has been swapped with something less valuable, not that you're paying scrap metal prices for natural green diamonds.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

Buying this stuff to flip for a profit is unlikely to go well for you. These aren't expensive pieces or stones.

I've seen some expensive chrome toumaline, actual chrome tourmaline not just green, and from my research the one I have is the right color, green with blue under tone. I actually got that ring under scrap for gold so the stone is free if it doesn't pan out and is heat treated or something . Worth sending to GIA for me. The green diamond was bought at scrap so even if it is artificially colored I can make money on it. I paid the most for my mystery garnet. With all the dispersion in the photos of seller I knew it wasn't peridot so I paid about $40 over scrap for it. If I kept the stones and sold the gold I'd be close to breaking even and have free green diamond, chrome tourmaline and mystery garnet. It's a hobby with a huge potential upside.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

It is possible to buy “mislabelled” gems, I’ve done it quite a few times. However it’s the exception rather than the rule and despite my considerable experience with gemstones, it was more luck than knowledge that landed me lovely gemstones.
Yes, high carat gold is more likely to mean that the gem is better than glass or lab grown but it is nigh impossible to decide or detect by viewing a few photos.
Identifying gemstones is usually a multi stage testing procedure.
Yes magnetism and UV reactions are part of the testing, but the ”big three” are Specific Gravity, Refractive Index and Microscopic examination. These tests are reliable for identifying between types of gemstones.
Many types of lab grown gemstones are virtually identical to natural with all tests except for microscopic examination and further chemical analysis. Some treatments of natural gemstones require specialised testing ie secondary ion mass spectrometry to analyse the trace element concentrations.
Most jewellers and pawnbrokers will use a Presidum gem tester to distinguish between gemstone types. It’s quick but not without its risks if misidentification. And certainly lab grown material and treated material can’t be distinguished by a Presidium.
Moissanite does test as Diamond on a Presidium. Any lab grown material will test as natural on a Presidium. However a Presidium can ID glass/ CZ from natural, can seperate blue topaz from Aquamarine and a few others,

It's why I like green gems. There are no synthetics for tsavorite, tourmaline, or demantoid. If the pics are good I can tell if it isn't peridot. My wifes birth stone was peridot and I can spot it easy. I want to get a microscope next so I can better asses my stones. Wish there was a home test for green diamonds but apparently that's one that needs one of the bigger tests GIA would have to do.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

It is possible to buy “mislabelled” gems, I’ve done it quite a few times. However it’s the exception rather than the rule and despite my considerable experience with gemstones, it was more luck than knowledge that landed me lovely gemstones.
Yes, high carat gold is more likely to mean that the gem is better than glass or lab grown but it is nigh impossible to decide or detect by viewing a few photos.
Identifying gemstones is usually a multi stage testing procedure.
Yes magnetism and UV reactions are part of the testing, but the ”big three” are Specific Gravity, Refractive Index and Microscopic examination. These tests are reliable for identifying between types of gemstones.
Many types of lab grown gemstones are virtually identical to natural with all tests except for microscopic examination and further chemical analysis. Some treatments of natural gemstones require specialised testing ie secondary ion mass spectrometry to analyse the trace element concentrations.
Most jewellers and pawnbrokers will use a Presidum gem tester to distinguish between gemstone types. It’s quick but not without its risks if misidentification. And certainly lab grown material and treated material can’t be distinguished by a Presidium.
Moissanite does test as Diamond on a Presidium. Any lab grown material will test as natural on a Presidium. However a Presidium can ID glass/ CZ from natural, can seperate blue topaz from Aquamarine and a few others,

PS, I usually buy from people on Ebay that aren't jewelers so odds of mislabeling peridot goes up.

 

[westofhere]

As long as you’re not planning on reselling them claiming that they’re what you say they are, you’re free to buy whatever peridot you want and say it’s whatever you want!

 

[pokerface]

Not to beat a dead horse, but there is no huge potential upside here. To be sure about any gem, you need to send it to a lab. The chance of finding a mislabeled peridot that is significantly more valuable than peridot is so small that surely the amount of money you would be spending on multiple tests for multiple junk gems would dwarf any hypothetical profit.

 

[westofhere]

He seems to be in it for the make believe, rather than the money.

 

[lovedogs]

I've seen some expensive chrome toumaline, actual chrome tourmaline not just green, and from my research the one I have is the right color, green with blue under tone. I actually got that ring under scrap for gold so the stone is free if it doesn't pan out and is heat treated or something . Worth sending to GIA for me. The green diamond was bought at scrap so even if it is artificially colored I can make money on it. I paid the most for my mystery garnet. With all the dispersion in the photos of seller I knew it wasn't peridot so I paid about $40 over scrap for it. If I kept the stones and sold the gold I'd be close to breaking even and have free green diamond, chrome tourmaline and mystery garnet. It's a hobby with a huge potential upside.

I'm sorry to be rude, but you dont have anything valuable here. You think you do, and that's fine, but you dont. Feel free to waste money and send to a lab, but you arent going to make any profits short of committing fraud and lying about what you have .

 

[AndrewAWoody]

I'm sorry to be rude, but you dont have anything valuable here. You think you do, and that's fine, but you dont. Feel free to waste money and send to a lab, but you arent going to make any profits short of committing fraud and lying about what you have .

The Jewelry store I took it to was Perry's. https://perrysjewelry.com/ It is a diamond. The Chrome tourmaline is a Chrome Tourmaline. I got the pendant after my visit to them. It being a diamond hasn't been a question since I took it to them. I just sold a synthetic spinel ring and I know what they are and how to spot them.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

As long as you’re not planning on reselling them claiming that they’re what you say they are, you’re free to buy whatever peridot you want and say it’s whatever you want!

Perry's, https://perrysjewelry.com/ says its a diamond and it says the chrome tourmaline is a chrome tourmaline. Not in question. Just didn't have diamond tested for color yet because I was hoping for a home test to maybe shed a better guess before I pay for GIA. You're the one linking fake chrome tourmaline here and saying it has no value. Go to reputable jewlrey site and see what actual, real, chrome tourmaline sells for. Not the 60 carat fake, "hydro", stuff.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

It seems like Andrew is buying for the fantasy of believing he’s found something valuable. As long as he’s not paying more than fifty bucks for these pieces, and as long as he has the disposable income after bills, nest egg, home ownership, retirement funds, etc, it may be worth it to him to believe things are diamonds even when they’re not. I probably waste as much on coffee per month as he spent on his “diamond”!

Love how you know more from pic about my diamond then Perrys does. I know it is a diamond, fact. Color is questionable.

 

[westofhere]

As long as you have no plans to resell, the important thing is that you’re enjoying yourself. If you want to collect green gems, you may want to skip paying for the gold and just buy the stones, as per:

Loose Round Cut Natural Green Diamond 3MM - Etsy

This Gemstones item by pinnaclediamonds has 524 favorites from Etsy shoppers. Ships from Haddonfield, NJ. Listed on Jun 2, 2024

www.etsy.com

 

[AndrewAWoody]

Not to beat a dead horse, but there is no huge potential upside here. To be sure about any gem, you need to send it to a lab. The chance of finding a mislabeled peridot that is significantly more valuable than peridot is so small that surely the amount of money you would be spending on multiple tests for multiple junk gems would dwarf any hypothetical profit.

I went back and looked at what I paid for the diamond ring. They clearly didn't know what they had, even as to gold value. I paid $106 for it and it weighs 3.9 grams which puts it's scrap value at $136. I could pop the diamond out and sell the gold and have a a free diamond. The Chrome Tourmaline ring weighs 3.7 grams, 14k, and I paid $150 for it. Offered a little over scrap in a buy it now or best offer auction. Again, free stone. My mystery "garnet" pendant I paid more for because it was so very clearly not a peridot and I felt lucky after the two rings. It weighed 2 grams 18k with 1 gram 10k necklace so about $120 in scrap value. I paid $170. At end of day I paid $50ish for a 1/4 carat green diamond, 1.5 carat Chrome Tourmaline, and mystery Garnet. I've bought and sold silver and gold for over 10 years. Just now getting into gems.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

As long as you have no plans to resell, the important thing is that you’re enjoying yourself. If you want to collect green gems, you may want to skip paying for the gold and just buy the stones, as per:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/754370...r_gallery-1-1&organic_search_click=1&frs=1[/U

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A good rule of thumb is if you are buying a gem that is advertised as natural peridot, you are unlikely to end up with something that is more valuable than peridot. If you have a ring stamped from a high end maker, but the center stone is unusually included, the likely scenario is that the original center stone has been swapped with something less valuable, not that you're paying scrap metal prices for natural green diamonds.

That's very possible. They want to much anyway for someone who has their contact shut off

 

[pokerface]

Without a lab report, you do not know if you have a green diamond, a chrome tourmaline or a garnet. And after you pay the $400 (at least!) to get your answers, you are in the red, because you do not have a natural green diamond or a chrome tourmaline.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

Love how you know more from pic about my diamond then Perrys does. I know it is a diamond, fact. Color is questionable.

Im pretty good at buying awesome jewlery at good prices. Here is a persian turquoise 18k diamond brooch i paid scrap for when gold was around $2000 an ounce. Perry's checked it out, untreated persian turquoise. I usually keep it in frame on wall. Could sell the gold and keep turquoise for next to nothing.

 

[westofhere]

Also, I wouldn’t use Perry’s name without their permission; it sounds like they didn’t offer a formal appraisal (which would cost), just looked at the stone, and you wouldn’t want to represent them as saying for sure what a stone is when that’s not what they did.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

Also, I wouldn’t use Perry’s name without their permission; it sounds like they didn’t offer a formal appraisal (which would cost), just looked at the

Also, I wouldn’t use Perry’s name without their permission; it sounds like they didn’t offer a formal appraisal (which would cost), just looked at the stone, and you wouldn’t want to represent them as saying for sure what a stone is when that’s not what they did.

???????? Perrys looked at it and said it was a diamond. Wasn't sure I wanted to pay them to test color when at that point I just wanted to know if it was a diamond. On here asking if any home tests. People said no so I'll send it to GIA. You seem very suspecious of me considering Im not trying to sell you anything. It is a diamond. That was never at question in my mind coming here but for some reason people on here act like that is some crazy thing and Im BSing them.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

Also, I wouldn’t use Perry’s name without their permission; it sounds like they didn’t offer a formal appraisal (which would cost), just looked at the stone, and you wouldn’t want to represent them as saying for sure what a stone is when that’s not what they did.

Also, I wouldn’t use Perry’s name without their permission; it sounds like they didn’t offer a formal appraisal (which would cost), just looked at the stone, and you wouldn’t want to represent them as saying for sure what a stone is when that’s not what they did.

Why all the disbelief? I have a lot of stuff i get for next to nothing. Original coke art from 1947 published in readers digest, $80. Not for sale. Last coke art i bought i paid $450 for and sold for $2500. To low in retrospect.

 

[lovedogs]

It seems like all you wanted was for us to ooooo and ahhhhh over how amazing you are at buying expensive stuff for nothing. So feel free to continue believing you found super valuable stuff for scrap prices

 

[AndrewAWoody]

It seems like all you wanted was for us to ooooo and ahhhhh over how amazing you are at buying expensive stuff for nothing. So feel free to continue believing you found super valuable stuff for scrap prices

All I wanted to know was if there was a way to test if color was artificial. Then, like all social media, people started talking crap. People linking to fake chrome tourmaline telling me I own crap. Others who refuse to believe it's even a real diamond. I was very polite and am still being, IMO. For some reason people think it is impossible to spot, not peridot. I buy? Not peridot listed as peridot. I've made a lot of money spotting valuable items with bad titles over the years, no ooooo or ahhh required, this is just my new hobby and I figured I would share it with a like minded community in order to learn. Sorry if I read other peoples comments and lumped you in with them, not my intention but I am new to this forum so I have a couple comments in reply to something someone else said.

 

[AllAboardTheBlingTrain]

Please do update here once you get the results back from GIA! Would be interesting to see

FWIW I think people are discouraging you because for the most part, benefitting off of mislabelled goods on eBay/pawn shops etc is rare. We’ve seen some people pull it off but for the most part people who do that end up getting ripped off. Also your pics aren’t clear enough to be illustrative or helpful; which also lends credence to the supposition that they are not valuable; which is why people are advising you against spending the money on GIA certs and the like. However, if you’re doing this as a hobbyist - go for it! Or perhaps pay for a formal appraisal by a gemologist so you can get all of your stones appraised first and only send the most valuable to GIA.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

Without a lab report, you do not know if you have a green diamond, a chrome tourmaline or a garnet. And after you pay the $400 (at least!) to get your answers, you are in the red, because you do not have a natural green diamond or a chrome tourmaline.

It's absoloutly a Chrome tourmaline. It is a green diamond, might be treated. Perrys told me it was a diamond and a chrome tourmaline. What other green stone turns red under Chealse filter?

 

[AndrewAWoody]

Please do update here once you get the results back from GIA! Would be interesting to see

FWIW I think people are discouraging you because for the most part, benefitting off of mislabelled goods on eBay/pawn shops etc is rare. We’ve seen some people pull it off but for the most part people who do that end up getting ripped off. Also your pics aren’t clear enough to be illustrative or helpful; which also lends credence to the supposition that they are not valuable; which is why people are advising you against spending the money on GIA certs and the like. However, if you’re doing this as a hobbyist - go for it! Or perhaps pay for a formal appraisal by a gemologist so you can get all of your stones appraised first and only send the most valuable to GIA.

Thank you. I have no reason to lie on here. It is rare but i am a bit OCD, I look at EVERY item in every thrift/consignment store I go in so it's not like I just see something and buy it and win. I spend weeks searching 18k peridot in the new listings waiting to see that obviously not peridot item. Then I ask questions, then I talk them down in case I am wrong. Thank you again, much love here.
PS, I live in thrift stores and goodwills. I've made $500 on $5 just because that's what I do. Most finds aren't so great but they do happen and gems for me are paying off.

 

[Bron357]

Back to your original question re the green diamond, both natural and “coloured enhanced” diamonds are subject to irradiation to produce the colour. That’s why it can be difficult even for the GIA to differentiate between natural and enhanced. I believe that if they can’t tell, they decline to declare either way.
If you are planning to sell the diamond a GIA report will help with the sale.
I have been buying on eBay for over 15 years and have “scored” a number of times but it’s more luck than my talent. It’s definitely worth your while, if you have time and patience, to sift through listings. Sometimes people are lazy, sometimes people are mistaken so opportunities do come up.
Just don’t overspend and be prepared to be wrong on occasion. As I’ve discovered, not all things ”hallmarked” are in fact solid / real.
Enjoy your new hobby.

 

[AndrewAWoody]

Back to your original question re the green diamond, both natural and “coloured enhanced” diamonds are subject to irradiation to produce the colour. That’s why it can be difficult even for the GIA to differentiate between natural and enhanced. I believe that if they can’t tell, they decline to declare either way.
If you are planning to sell the diamond a GIA report will help with the sale.
I have been buying on eBay for over 15 years and have “scored” a number of times but it’s more luck than my talent. It’s definitely worth your while, if you have time and patience, to sift through listings. Sometimes people are lazy, sometimes people are mistaken so opportunities do come up.
Just don’t overspend and be prepared to be wrong on occasion. As I’ve discovered, not all things ”hallmarked” are in fact solid / real.
Enjoy your new hobby.

Thank you and I have had losses too. Thank God Ebay has an excellent return policy . Most recent BS artist was someone who acted like I was trying to shit them for wanting a return on a ring that was clearly not real once in hand. I might be struting my wins here, have a streak with "peridot", but Ive bought straight up crap before designed to steal from people. My biggest problem with Ebay is they don't crack down on fake crap like they should which devalues my stuff. Great talking to you, thank you.