Green or Blue?

[platinumrock]

Yeah, it IS a Killer Diamond.

I've been looking for years.
KennyGreen popped up Sunday and I grabbed it Monday.
I wanted to talk to a human first.
All evening Sunday I was sweating and checking it hourly, praying nobody would buy it.

Did you ever come across a stone you HAD to have, no matter what?I've noticed before on fancydiamonds.net that really special ones go fast.
I've been checking their lists of new stones and of sold stones several times a day and have seen several on the sold list that I never saw on the new list.
This means collectors are alert.

I knew KennyGreen wouldn't last.

God knows I know that feeling too well! I've had that feeling about all of my stones. And I don't regret acting on that feeling one bit.

So his name is KennyGreen? I love it! Colored diamonds just begged to be named, especially when they are that triking.

Just a heads-up though, once you get one, you may not be able to stop. It's seriously like a sickness. You find yourself wanting all the colors that you can afford.

TL, I completely forgot about the possible chip issue with tension settings. A skilled benchman is definitely a must for a stone that rare.

 

[Nashville]

A full bezel would look nice.

 

[T L]

Kenny,
If you do decide to set it, and I probably do not need to tell you this, but please, please PLEASE make sure you have the absolute finest jeweler. Even diamonds can chip when set. I have a gypsy set diamond in a platinum scatter band, and it has a small chip from setting. It's a small white diamond so who cares, but if it were yours!! Normally I wouldn't warn people about setting a diamond, but this is a rare exception. Tension settings also make me nervous with this stone.

Thanks for the cautions.
My 2.26 ct. asscher's been in a tension setting for years with no problem and the price of the stones was similar.
This green does not have a thin girdle and it's VS2, so it is not terribly delicate diamond, just a terribly expensive one for it's weight.

What is the least-risky setting process?
Prongs?
Gypsy?
Full bezel?
Half Bezel?

I'll get it in a few weeks, which gives me time to rob some banks and mug some little old ladies.

Probably prongs. Definitely NOT gypsy. Half bezel if you hate prongs. I also wouldn't want to bezel it because a bezel covers part of the stone, and since it's small to begin with, and rare, you want to show it off as much as possible. I would do platinum for strength and durability of course, and perhaps set it low, to protect it from knocks. I know this is a dated setting and not very modern or sleek, but it is protective and it's a prong setting. Maybe you could do a more modern take on something like this with a brushed finish? Also a bezel might damage the naturals, and I also think that's something to consider.

http://www.westonjewelry.com/art-de...ut-diamond-mens-ring-solid-14k-gold-ring.html

 

[kenny]

OMG http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Engagement-Accent-Diamonds-Available/dp/B003HE7YOG

 

[Mike R]

Congrats Kenny, that is an amazing diamond!
Claw setting would have the least amount of risk to the diamond, if you had 6 or 8 claws they could be quite fine.
If I were making a ring for me with that diamond I would do oxidised silver topped gold with rose gold or platinum claws.

I to worry about tension settings, on a round diamond the tension is put on a smaller area.

 

[soberguy]

have you ever seen harry winston prongs? they are very fine and sharp. wonder if that could work? give you good support and maximum show... I dunno, just wonder...

http://www.jewelrycollection.eu/harry-w ... -pictures/

 

[T L]

OMG http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Engagement-Accent-Diamonds-Available/dp/B003HE7YOG

Yes, that's a very nasty diamond, very included, and it's irradiated. Although some irradiated greens are very pretty (see LovingDiamond's collection), that one is pretty bad.

 

[T L]

Yes, Soberguy. Leon does the same fancy prongs, but I hear they bend and get caught on things. They are very pretty though.

Kenny,
Is there a way you can devise a permanent force field around your finger when you wear the stone so nothing can touch it, even air? LOL!

I saw a FCD collector wear a fancy blue diamond stud in his ear. I was cringing and hoping it was a very secure earring stud. Earrings have a tendency of falling out otherwise.

 

[LaurenThePartier]

Oh my gosh, Kenny - that green diamond is unreal!!!! I think I'm coming back out to CA in October, so we'll have to get back in touch so I can see you, the Octavia, and this lil beauty!!!!!!!

Congratulations, my friend! Couldn't have been purchased by a better gent!

 

[jstarfireb]

I think a small round stone such as this would look good in a bezel or semi-bezel setting where the band is the same width as the stone, a la Tiffany Etoile...I also think the size of the band would be appropriate for either a man or a woman.

 

[kenny]

I to worry about tension settings, on a round diamond the tension is put on a smaller area.

Hmm, maybe I should forget about tension setting for this special baby.

Plus the naturals that were intentionally left on the girdle to verify color origin maybe abundant, large and deep for all I know.
That would not make the girdle any stronger, and there is a chance that a natural might just happen to be positioned exactly at the point where the pressure from the tension setting is greatest.

This ring would be for a man so I'm not sure that sharp claws would look too butch.

So I don't know how I'll set it but when I get it I'll certainly loupe the heck out of the naturals on that girdle.
A bezel may be the way to go though I'd hate to cover up any of that tiny .27 ct of tasty minty green.

 

[kenny]

Oh my gosh, Kenny - that green diamond is unreal!!!! I think I'm coming back out to CA in October, so we'll have to get back in touch so I can see you, the Octavia, and this lil beauty!!!!!!!

That'll be fun.
I have fond memories of our last group get together.
It's kind of a crazy idea but it was actually very sweet.
I'm also looking forward to seeing your beautiful projects too.

 

[Lovinggems]

Congratulations on your green diamond!

 

[virgoruby]

Your green diamond is soooo beautiful! Please post lots of pics when you get it.
And thanks for the tip re how to take a screen capture.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Thank you everyone for being so helpful.

Well, if everything works out in a week or two I'll be posting some prudy pics.
We are working out some details.
As usual I'm a neurotic, picky customer but Leibish & Co. (aka fancydiamonds.net) is being wonderful and responsive.

I can't wait.
I prefer photographing loose diamonds to set ones.
There is so much more freedom to get the light in and out.

Kenny,

Not to diminish your purchase of your diamond as it is beautfiul, but when describing it you may not want to continue the mistake made by your vendor.

I think my original post in this thread was never posted if it was I apologize for the repost.

I beleive this stone's outline should not be termed an Old Mine Cut. At no point would GIA call this one as they haven't used the term in 20+ years!

OMCs followed the natural shape of the rough more closely and didn't have such nicely rounded outlines.

What you might call this is an Old European cut or transitional cut, however GIA called this a Round Brilliant on grading report as it really doesn't satisfy 3 of 4 of their criteria(slightly large culet or more, lower halves 60% or under, crown angles across diameter 40 degrees or more, tabe 53% or less).

Or most likely the best term would be a Round Brilliant(which happens to have shorter lower halves) which is what GIA called it.

Some details on naming conventions with a little paragraph on the misues of the term OMC by trade to descibe an OEC can be found in paragraph four of my recently published article https://www.pricescope.com/communit...-conventions-for-cushion-cut-diamonds.147789/

Regards,
CCL

 

[cushioncutnut]

I had palpitations just seeing pictures of the green! That is just devine! I can't wait to see pics and what setting you choose! I have to admit though, I would want to sit and watch the diamond being set!

 

[kenny]

Thanks all, and CCL I will not call it OMC any more.
I'd like to research what the cut really is, or if it even fits properly into any cut category.
Perhaps that will help suggest a date range of cutting and mining location.
I'm curious about its provenance, since Leibish didn't have any.

Does anyone here know where the largest percentage of greens come from, or came from when round brilliant transition cuts were cut? . . . (as in Pinks of Argyle Austrailia)

TL, since you brought up the concern over the color being of natural origin since it was already polished before GIA grading.

I just got a good scan of the four-day old GIA report and I was very happy to see it has at least six naturals on the girdle.
Naturals are places where the original skin of the rough remains.
Since I believe this is where GIA looks to establish the origin of the green color I was glad to see so many naturals.
Normally I go for diamonds low on inclusions, but in this case the more naturals the better AFAIC.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Thanks all, and CCL I will not call it OMC any more.
I'd like to research what the cut really is, or if it even fits properly into any cut category.
Perhaps that will help suggest a date range of cutting and mining location.
I'm curious about its provenance, since Leibish didn't have any.

Does anyone here know where the largest percentage of greens come from, or came from when round brilliant transition cuts were cut? . . . (as in Pinks of Argyle Austrailia)

TL, since you brought up the concern over the color being of natural origin since it was already polished before GIA grading.

I just got a good scan of the four-day old GIA report and I was very happy to see it has at least six naturals on the girdle.
Naturals are places where the original skin of the rough remains.
Since I believe this is where GIA looks to establish the origin of the green color I was glad to see so many naturals.
Normally I go for diamonds low on inclusions, but in this case the more naturals the better AFAIC.

Kenny,

Do you know the report date of the first time it was submitted to GIA or when the rough was submitted to GIA? Maybe Leibish can help you with that?

Origin of rough and date of cutting will be very difficult to ascertain even in the hands of a very experienced professional. The stone could have been repolished or recut recently and we may never know it, without a setting or documentation with it knowing this with any certainty may be near impossible.

If you are more interested in knowing how close to a vintage cutting style this stone falls you can get a sarin or helium scan. This may require sending it to an appraisor, I know Dave Atlas and Richard Sherwood could provide you this as part of an apparaisal. But based on its great depth, 55% table, and it being a colored diamond I wouldn't be too confident of signs that it fits conclusively into the cutting style of any particular time period.

 

[kenny]

Thanks all, and CCL I will not call it OMC any more.
I'd like to research what the cut really is, or if it even fits properly into any cut category.
Perhaps that will help suggest a date range of cutting and mining location.
I'm curious about its provenance, since Leibish didn't have any.

Does anyone here know where the largest percentage of greens come from, or came from when round brilliant transition cuts were cut? . . . (as in Pinks of Argyle Austrailia)

TL, since you brought up the concern over the color being of natural origin since it was already polished before GIA grading.

I just got a good scan of the four-day old GIA report and I was very happy to see it has at least six naturals on the girdle.
Naturals are places where the original skin of the rough remains.
Since I believe this is where GIA looks to establish the origin of the green color I was glad to see so many naturals.
Normally I go for diamonds low on inclusions, but in this case the more naturals the better AFAIC.

Kenny,

Do you know the report date of the first time it was submitted to GIA or when the rough was submitted to GIA? Maybe Leibish can help you with that?

Origin of rough and date of cutting will be very difficult to ascertain even in the hands of a very experienced professional. The stone could have been repolished or recut recently and we may never know it, without a setting or documentation with it knowing this with any certainty may be near impossible.

If you are more interested in knowing how close to a vintage cutting style this stone falls you can get a sarin or helium scan. This may require sending it to an appraisor, I know Dave Atlas and Richard Sherwood could provide you this as part of an apparaisal. But based on its great depth, 55% table, and it being a colored diamond I wouldn't be too confident of signs that it fits conclusively into the cutting style of any particular time period.

Thanks CCL.
The date on the previous GIA report was Feb 4 2009.
It was already cut then, which is why I'm glad so many indented naturals remain as evidence of the skin.