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Mayflower25

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OK- I was just faced with my first guest etiquette incident, and I need your input on the right (and wrongs) of the situation from any and all angles.

My friend ''X'' has had an on-and-off boyfriend for the past few years (let''s call him "D"). D has hung out with X, myself and FI a handful of times, and the boys get along fine. But never to the point of the men getting together on their own and forging their own friendship. X and D have always had a very volatile relationship that is always on display, and is uncomfortable to be around. When finalizing the guest list a few weeks ago, X had broken up with D for the 2498347th time and it was my understanding that they were through. At this point, my wedding invitations were addressed and sent. The invitation was addressed to X only.

Since sending the invite, we have hung out X and D at a group outing, although they were fighting and complaining with each other as always (making it extremely awkward for FI and myself). And just recently I met up with X. She asked me about the wedding and asked (with the assumption) if D could come. I told her that when we finalized our guest list, they were not together and that we are not accommodate D at this point. In fact, we are not inviting guests with dates unless they are living together, married, or are soon to be engaged (this counts for 4 couples total in my invite list). The majority of FI''s and my friends are single. Our guest list is very limited due to budget and we''re trying to keep the party intimate. I had thought X understood that.

Well, X didn''t take that news well. She was visibly upset and verbally expressed this to me. She was partially upset because of the way their relationship is perceived and somehow she assumed that D is welcome with open arms despite everything. I would think that most guests, whether they agree or not, would politely respect our position and move past the topic.

I''ve researched wedding etiquette online extensively and have come to the concensus that guests are generally not required to have dates unless they are married, engaged, living together, or in a very serious relationship. Where do you think this situation falls? Am I out of line?

Thank you all!
-Mayflower
 
I don''t think that you have been out of line at all and i think that you have handled this the best way possible.

I hope your friend comes around and sees this.
 
I agree, you are not out of line and I hope your friend comes to realise this once she has calm down.

I don''t see a couple that breaks up every other day as serious and if I were you, I wouldn''t want to risk that kind of tension or drama at my wedding anyway.

Stick to your guns, your in the right here.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 3:47:14 AM
Author: 4ever
I agree, you are not out of line and I hope your friend comes to realise this once she has calm down.


I don''t see a couple that breaks up every other day as serious and if I were you, I wouldn''t want to risk that kind of tension or drama at my wedding anyway.


Stick to your guns, your in the right here.


Ditto! I have decided to invite all my cousins as singles because I have never met or heard of there possible SO. Therefore, I don''t want to open the possibility because I can''t afford it. Same for friends, if they aren''t with some one, no guest. Its tough but reasonable, and definitely not out of line!
 
Date: 5/28/2009 3:07:58 AM
Author:Mayflower25

Well, X didn't take that news well. She was visibly upset and verbally expressed this to me. She was partially upset because of the way their relationship is perceived and somehow she assumed that D is welcome with open arms despite everything. I would think that most guests, whether they agree or not, would politely respect our position and move past the topic.
Most polite and respectful guests would, however this is a girl that is willing to ruin another couples night by fighting with her BF in public, repeatedly.

I'm sorry but she is the one that is out of line. Did you tell her your personal misgivings or just that it wasn't in the budget? I would stick to numbers/budget reasoning in any future conversations.
 
Thank you again, ladies! Its nice to know that I''m not going left field on this one. I felt it was a very tricky situation to be confronted with. Thank goodness X is the only person I can fathom creating such a scene about a +1! I was still reeling from the discussion when I wrote my post. This morning I''m quite a bit more calm!

4ever - I tried my best not to let me feelings about D (or my frustrations with X) influence my decision, and certainly didn''t state them when I spoke with X... She would have been up in arms over it!

meresal- Can I just start by saying that I LOVE your shoes in your avatar! I''m a huge fan of CL :) I didn''t mention our feelings or her relationship with D per se, she''s the one that brought it into that space. I tried to stress my rule about dates, keeping the guestlist down (even my cousins who live across the street aren''t invited!), and that budget is tight since FI and I are paying for the majority of the wedding ourselves. I did however, say that this decision was nothing personal with regards to her or D, and that we like D, but the boys aren''t really "friends". I said that D and FI only hangout when and because X and I get together. This was the real shocker to X. She was really convinced that FI and D are real buddies- I don''t know how she mistook friendliness for friendship
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I''m not sure when or if X will call me anytime soon. She was pretty miffed over the situation and had to step away (to cry, I think). Then she cut our hangout short, which was intended to makeup for missing my birthday. I don''t have very many girlfriends, and none of the others would ever put on this kind of drama, so I''m not sure how to handle it. Who knew guestlists could be so complicated?!
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I don''t think you are out of line, and that you handled the situation perfectly. And I want you to remember that when you read what I say next...as a friend, I think it was completely acceptable for the two o you to have a conversation, with each of you expressing your opinions and what went into the choices made given the circumstances. If it were my friend with the on-off-on relationship I would want her to know "why" if she was looking for an answer. The fact that you guys are planning a large event, and have finalized your numbers with everyone else involved with the event is enough of a reason, why at this point you and fiance have not invited guest. Now, if friend has any sense this would be a good place to drop the matter as it relates to your wedding. Since you said it has brought up issues surrounding how she feels others perceive the relationship, it sure sounds as though she is going through some personal stuff that may or may not make it come back again. Open, honest conversation. I''m all for it. She''s allowed to feel however she wants about the situation. Doesn''t mean you need to change the things you''ve already set in motion.
 
You are absolutely not out of line.

I''m thinking that your friend''s upset more relates to her personal issues and her perception of herself and her relationship in other people''s eyes than it does to you inviting or not inviting the boyfriend. I''m sure that she thinks that, in her heart of hearts, if her boyfriend treated her better you would have invited him. This makes her confront her own inner demons about wanting more or deserving more from a relationship, in other words, the truth sort of smacks her in the face - hence the crying.

These are just my thoughts and may be absolutely inaccurate, however, personal issues, no personal issues, the issue at hand remains the same - this is your wedding, you and your FI have made decisions and you are not obligated to invite him. You have chosen not to do so and she has two choices 1) to like it 2) to lump it. Regardless of whatever she chooses, he is still not invited and your wedding will still be fabulous. You have your own drama as a bride to be to deal with - who needs other people''s? You love her and she is your friend and although she doesn''t like the information you have relayed, I believe that you have been most considerate in communicating directly with her about it.

Can you tell that I am an embittered bride to be?? I am totally DONE with these self-inviting, guest inviting etiquette offenders so I feel your pain and I''m sorry that you are having to deal with it as well.
 
I think the problem with the issue is how she will see her relationship with her boyfriend. I am sure she thinks that their behaviour is normal, and that all couples argue like they do. She will therefore be surprised that you don''t see their relationship as marriage material.

I have had friends who have been in awful relationships like the one you described. Most of them have FINALLY split up now, however when I discuss it with them, they thought that at the time that that is how relationships should be.
 
Sparkalicious & SapphireLover: WOW! I''m reading your responses and thinking, "Do you know her, too?!". Your analysis is pretty dead on. I admit, I don''t understand much about drama and other women. I''m so relieved to know that I''m not alone on this! Another tidbit is that she told me she already filled out the reply card with both their names... oops!

FYI - the other reason why I''m having a tough time with this is because both my sister and mother came at me for not inviting ALL my guests with dates! I thought this was a complete surprise coming from them since they knew I''ve been trying to have a SMALL(er) wedding AND my mother was the one who addressed the invites! They didn''t think it was very nice what I "did to X". Except... that I had done plenty of etiquette research, reviewed the guestlist a million times and reiterated my plans previously. I guess it all comes down to the fact that culturally, my family is very non-confrontational and that we like to include "everyone". However, sometimes you just can''t! I told them I''m not going back on this decision, either.

Sparkalicious: I LOVED your rant about guest etiquette. Its especially difficult with friends who are young and people are just starting to get married (we''re in our mid 20''s). They seriously have no clue sometimes! For everytime they ask me something, I wish I could point them towards google for "wedding guest etiquette" lololol.
 
Sparkalicious: I LOVED your rant about guest etiquette. Its especially difficult with friends who are young and people are just starting to get married (we''re in our mid 20''s). They seriously have no clue sometimes! For everytime they ask me something, I wish I could point them towards google for ''wedding guest etiquette'' lololol.
Glad you enjoyed it.
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It was catharthic.
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Point them, sister ... I''m right there with you!
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You are not out of line and I wish I could be as firm as you.

For a person whom my DH''s family invited their handyman and insurance lady, I have no right to comment on anything with regards to Guest List. I think that I am a pushover sometimes as I was cornered by co-workers to allow one of them to bring a guest as she was thinking about asking another co-worker out. It didn''t out out and she is bringing her brother. Another friend is bringing a guest and she has not met him yet (as she doesn''t have a regular BF).

I am taking this as a prelude to my real wedding in Sep/Oct back home.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 1:58:56 PM
Author: Mayflower25


FYI - the other reason why I''m having a tough time with this is because both my sister and mother came at me for not inviting ALL my guests with dates!
Around here it is considered extremely rude not to offer a +1.
 
strmrdr- Thank you for your feedback! May I ask where you are generally located? I''m in the Pacific NW, where we''re quite liberal and less embedded in old school tradition and etiquette (although, at times I wish we were!).
 
Date: 5/28/2009 2:41:53 PM
Author: strmrdr


Date: 5/28/2009 1:58:56 PM
Author: Mayflower25


FYI - the other reason why I'm having a tough time with this is because both my sister and mother came at me for not inviting ALL my guests with dates!
Around here it is considered extremely rude not to offer a +1.
Around PS or the midwest?

May- Is this girl friends with any other guests that are not in the wedding party the wedding? Is she in the wedding party?
 
She has spent time at gatherings with my other guests before. She seemed to get along with them just fine, and has been acquainted with 80% of all "friend" guests. No, she''s not in the bridal party. I''ve kept it small with my best friend as my MOH and two of my sisters as bridesmaids.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 3:33:41 PM
Author: Mayflower25
She has spent time at gatherings with my other guests before. She seemed to get along with them just fine, and has been acquainted with 80% of all 'friend' guests. No, she's not in the bridal party. I've kept it small with my best friend as my MOH and two of my sisters as bridesmaids.
Ok, so I'm guessing that's a no then. Here's my opinion and how we handled our guest list. If a guest wasn't direct friends with at least one other person at the wedding, then they were invited +1, just for the sake of being comfortable. However, it's your guest list. If you can't afford it, or just don't want the possible situation that they could get into a fight, then stick to your guns.

ETA: I'm sorry, I never replied to your original reply. Thank you, about my shoes!!
 
Date: 5/28/2009 2:41:53 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 5/28/2009 1:58:56 PM
Author: Mayflower25


FYI - the other reason why I''m having a tough time with this is because both my sister and mother came at me for not inviting ALL my guests with dates!
Around here it is considered extremely rude not to offer a +1.
I agree!!! your friends are spending money on attire, a gift and taking time to attend your wedding but you won''t do them the courtesy of letting them bring a guest? If it''s that important to her than you should just let her. Why ruin a friendship over $150. I especially think this is true if they are from out of town.
 
It is not rude to not invite a +1.
It is rude to expect a dear friend of yours to invite someone with whom you are not in a serious, committed relationship to her nuptials and celebration.
It is even more rude to make her feel badly about her decision.
It is not a courtesy to be invited to a wedding, it is an honor. If attending is going to be an inconvenience to a guest, then they can certainly choose to not attend.

You are not in the wrong, Mayflower. Do not let this person bully you into inviting her on again, off again boyfriend to your wedding.
 
Meresal- I think ideally, yes- each guest would be allotted a date. If I truly felt that she would feel like "the odd one out" then I would have included a +1. My friends are my friends - and in my experience they have all been able to enjoy themselves as a group without crutches.

Diamond Confused - I completely see your point. Except that, unfortunately, all guests are not created equal, and family took priority and 75% of the guest list. This particular friend is no stranger to attending weddings without an escort, even when she''s had the option. And lastly, she is local.

At what point do constraints, being a gracious host, and honored guest intersect? I started this post without expectation of a "right" answer, but with hopes of further insight. Thank you, everyone!
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Date: 5/28/2009 9:11:49 AM
Author: meresal

Date: 5/28/2009 3:07:58 AM
Author:Mayflower25

Well, X didn''t take that news well. She was visibly upset and verbally expressed this to me. She was partially upset because of the way their relationship is perceived and somehow she assumed that D is welcome with open arms despite everything. I would think that most guests, whether they agree or not, would politely respect our position and move past the topic.
Most polite and respectful guests would, however this is a girl that is willing to ruin another couples night by fighting with her BF in public, repeatedly.

I''m sorry but she is the one that is out of line. Did you tell her your personal misgivings or just that it wasn''t in the budget? I would stick to numbers/budget reasoning in any future conversations.
yup, agree, 100%
 
I''m in NJ, and around here it raises some eyebrows to get an invitation that is not addressed +1 if you are single. However, it is also known that if the invitation has your name ONLY on it, and you are not engaged, married, or co-habitating, it is understood not to raise the subject with the bride or groom because chances are there is no "+1" because the bride and groom are on a tight budget. It is indeed an honor to be invited to a wedding.

That being said, my fiance and I have both agreed with the "no ring, no +1" line of thinking. In other words, if they ain''t married or engaged, they ain''t getting an invite!
 
Date: 5/28/2009 5:07:21 PM
Author: Haven
It is not rude to not invite a +1.

It is rude to expect a dear friend of yours to invite someone with whom you are not in a serious, committed relationship to her nuptials and celebration.

It is even more rude to make her feel badly about her decision.

It is not a courtesy to be invited to a wedding, it is an honor. If attending is going to be an inconvenience to a guest, then they can certainly choose to not attend.


You are not in the wrong, Mayflower. Do not let this person bully you into inviting her on again, off again boyfriend to your wedding.

Beautifully stated, Haven, totally agree.

I also agree, though, with those who say to stress the budget aspect as a way to defuse hard feelings and help soothe the situation, if this friendship is really important to you.
 
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