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I have started looking at engagement rings, and wanted to get some outside opinions on a few items, first starting with the main diamond itself. (I''ll get into questions on the custom design I want to create, as well as opinions on my idea for the proposal with later posts, as long as people are willing to read and want to help!)

My budget for the diamond itself is somewhere in the $3000 to $4000 range, depending on how much the custom design will cost. (Hopefully $1 to $2k). We are going for a round cut, and color is more important than clarity (need at least eye clean), and for me the sparkle and fire of the diamond is very important. I know that the color and clarity ratings are very important to the value of the diamond, but for me, I am more interested in the "5 second" test with my eyes than I am what the cert says or what lab it came from.

With that said, I still want to do some research and hear other opinions before I rush into something. I''ve been looking at a Leo Round diamond at Kay''s, mainly because I have a trade in I purchased roughly 9 years ago. At that time Kay''s policy was to guarantee a trade in value for the original purchase price plus 5% appreciation each year for up to 10 years. So basically my old diamond is now worth $3200, as long as I purchase a new diamond that is double the price. The 1ct Leo retails at $6000, so with the trade in I''m looking at $3000 which leaves me about $2 to design a nice custom setting. I''ve attached the Gemex and GSI reports, the diamond is rated a G/SI1. To me it is beautiful, it has great of fire and sparkle, and I think after the trade in I am getting a good deal, which is what I''m focused on, the actual out of pocket expense, not just the retail price.

But then it gets difficult... Today when I told my father that I was looking at e-rings, he offered me his great-grandmother''s diamond from 1923. It is very beautiful as well, and I took it the the local jeweler who is building my custom ring to take a look at. He is GIA educated, and he measured the stone at 5mm (about 1/2ct?), and a G/H VS2/SI1. So now I have to decide whether to stick with my original plan of a 1ct Leo or to use my great-great-grandmother''s diamond. Obviously, the meaning and story behind the family handed down diamond makes it invaluable and amazing, and it looks amazing as well. But at the same time it is much smaller than the diamond I had been looking at, and can afford. What to do? If I don''t buy the larger diamond, that leaves more in the budget for the custom mount, means I could use platinum instead of white gold. But again, with the smaller diamond, can''t do a whole lot with the band, as you don''t want the diamond to look small... right? So many options!

So I guess what are other''s thoughts on the Leo in general, and specifically how this one rates, and how I should go about choosing between it and my great-great-grandmother''s diamond?

Thanks for the help!

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Try a search on Leo and you will see lots of threads. The general opinion is not good. I have also not heard of the lab that graded the diamond (which you copied). To me it means it is a good as uncerted. Sorry to be blunt!

I would rather take the $3k and buy a KILLER .80ct super ideal cut RB from a trusted vendor.

This is an example. Why throw good money after bad to get an extra .20ct?

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6223/
 
And regarding your inherited diamond, it sounds like a lovely thing and if you want to use it for your e-ring, that is great. You don''t sound crazy about the idea, I might consider saving it for a pendant as a wedding gift or something.
 
I completely understand your inability to concentrate. I''ve had the same bug for some time now. I actually disliked diamonds until I found PS and really started learning about them.
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I''d love to see a picture of the old diamond. I agree with Dreamer''s suggestion to use it as a separate gift, maybe I just like the romantic idea of the diamond she gets being one that took a lot of thought and consideration (frustration? hehe) on my part. There are plenty of other occasions to present her with a family heirloom.

Best of luck!
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Thanks for the responses!

The "Hard to Concentrate" was a reference to the song by the Red Hot Chili Peppers... I think we are going to use it as our first dance song at the wedding.

On the Leo - Nothing wrong with being blunt, thats why I''m here! Yeah I was worried a bit about the cert, but to me that is less important than how it looks in person. I did do a search and found this https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/review-of-a-leo-cut.17770/ were Richard posted his findings on a Leo. I guess I should look around at some more online diamonds as well... I guess I''m a little nervous spending that much on something that I''ve only been able to see online in pictures, but then again it sounds like plenty of people on here have done it with great results?

As for the inherited diamond, its not that I don''t like the idea of using it... I do, in fact I love the idea, because it seems to me to have more significance than some other diamond I pick out. I guess I''m just am worried that it might be seen as too small? I dunno. As for using it for a separate gift, I''ll have to give that some thought. I think my father gave it to me if I wanted to use it for the e-ring, I''m not sure he would be into letting me make a pendant out of it. I''ll try to get a picture up on it this evening. Either way, I''m definitely putting lots of thought and love into the process, and will be designing a custom ring for the diamond, so its exciting, just want to get it right!

Thanks for your help, and I look forward to more responses!
 

Date: 1/27/2010 1:20:55 AM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
Try a search on Leo and you will see lots of threads. The general opinion is not good. I have also not heard of the lab that graded the diamond (which you copied). To me it means it is a good as uncerted. Sorry to be blunt!

I would rather take the $3k and buy a KILLER .80ct super ideal cut RB from a trusted vendor.

This is an example. Why throw good money after bad to get an extra .20ct?

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6223/
This is an excellent idea! And the GOG stone is beautiful! I say have your Grandmothers stone mounted in a
pendant as either a wedding gift or a 1st anniversary gift.
With the diamond that dreamer recommended, we have all the images (ASET, IS, and H&A) and all the numbers
(depth, table, crown and pavilion angles) to ensure whether it will be a good preformer or not. It is also certified by
a very well respected lab (AGS).
Also, could you use your trade-in from Kays to buy diamond stud earings? That would make a perfect wedding
gift. Save your Grandmothers stone for something later.
 
Date: 1/27/2010 9:24:11 AM
Author: septembergirl
What about using your the diamond your father offered you and having it set in a halo setting? That would still retain the sentiment and have a really pretty enlarged look with a gorgeous setting. Here is singer''s ring her ring is STUNNING) which is an example of a .6 that was set into a halo setting: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/round-halo-mounting-with-plain-band.112674/
Hope she doesn''t mind I included a pic to show you. I love her ring!
 
I would take your family diamond along(with the savings on a new diamond and have it set in a hand fabricated ring... (or other custom ring) and if their is any money left over, save it.
 
Date: 1/27/2010 9:31:31 AM
Author: tyty333

Date: 1/27/2010 1:20:55 AM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
Try a search on Leo and you will see lots of threads. The general opinion is not good. I have also not heard of the lab that graded the diamond (which you copied). To me it means it is a good as uncerted. Sorry to be blunt!
I would rather take the $3k and buy a KILLER .80ct super ideal cut RB from a trusted vendor.
This is an example. Why throw good money after bad to get an extra .20ct?
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6223/
This is an excellent idea! And the GOG stone is beautiful! I say have your Grandmothers stone mounted in a
pendant as either a wedding gift or a 1st anniversary gift.With the diamond that dreamer recommended, we have all the images (ASET, IS, and H&A) and all the numbers
(depth, table, crown and pavilion angles) to ensure whether it will be a good preformer or not. It is also certified by
a very well respected lab (AGS).

Also, could you use your trade-in from Kays to buy diamond stud earings? That would make a perfect wedding gift. Save your Grandmothers stone for something later.

Ditto! Get a beautiful stone for the ering. Great-grandmother's stone in a pendant or kept in the family as is. Kay's trade-up is not worth the extra money you have to spend. You have a decent enough bedget to get what you really want and not have to compromise.
 
Thanks for the comments! I''ve been doing some research on how important the cut is vs color/clarity, Good Old Gold''s website has some great videos! I think I''m going to keep my great-grandmother''s diamond for a pendant, I like the idea of it as a wedding gift, to be worn at the wedding, and still involved that way. So I''ve found the following diamonds using the "Search by Cut" feature, all have less than 2 HCA ratings. I''d like to get the 1ct but the more I look the more I wonder if its really that important, should focus on getting the better cut and performance right?

http://www.whiteflash.com/premium_select_round/Premium-Select-Round-cut-diamond-1987251.htm#
I think this is my favorite

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1245437.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
I like this diamond, but the SI2 concerns me... the photo looks like it is really easy to see the inclusions, but is that because of how zoomed in it is? Does anyone think it would make that much difference at arms length?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1279536.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
This one looks good, but they don''t have a picture up yet. I did send them an email to try and get it...

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2138414.htm
Its a 1ct with similar stats to the .9 ct that I like, but its also $1000 more. It looks like it is only .2mm larger, would that be a obvious difference? Is it worth the extra $1000?

I also found a nice diamond on http://www.usacerteddiamonds.com/ but I couldn''t like to it, so I copied the info as a pic and attached it. I ran it through the HCA and got a 1.1 ex-ex-ex-vg rating. But again I''m a little concerned with the SI2 rating as I don''t really want to see large black inclusions in the ring. I''ve requested more info on the stone and whether or not they have pictures of it.

So any thoughts on the diamonds? And any reviews or thoughts on the vendors WhiteFlash and James Allen? I''m actually in Houston, so I do like the idea of being able to examine the diamonds in person at WhiteFlash''s store. Thanks again for the help!

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Also found this one on WhiteFlash:
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2145455.htm#
Basically same as first WhiteFlash, but G instead of I color. Is the 2 grades of color better worth the $700 difference?

Another WhiteFlash, this one is "ACA"
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2231269.htm
Has the G color, but is SI2...but the picture of the diamond doesn't look bad, not like the James Allen SI2. Thoughts?

Ok and I'm done...
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For now! Thanks for the help!
 
Date: 1/31/2010 3:37:59 AM
Author: texirish
Also found this one on WhiteFlash:
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2145455.htm#
Basically same as first WhiteFlash, but G instead of I color. Is the 2 grades of color better worth the $700 difference?

Another WhiteFlash, this one is ''ACA''
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2231269.htm
Has the G color, but is SI2...but the picture of the diamond doesn''t look bad, not like the James Allen SI2. Thoughts?

Ok and I''m done...
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For now! Thanks for the help!
Both of these are winners! With Whiteflash ACA they have an excellent trade-up policy if ever needed (full value of your
stone when you buy one that is $1 more I believe). May come in handy 10 years down the road when you are making
the big bucks! Verify with Whiteflash that it is eye-clean to your standards with the SI2 rating.
 
Checked out the trade up policy at Whiteflash, very nice if I ever need it!

What about the other stones I linked to? Will the G color stand out that much next to the I once they are mounted? My old diamond from Kay''s is an I/SI1 in yellow gold and looks great, I can''t tell it looks yellow or anything. Also since it is an IGI cert its probably off a few color lvls anyway? So maybe its actually a J, I don''t know. Maybe still its better to get the G? I do like the idea of hopefully being able to go to Whiteflash''s office to look at the different options!

Any more thoughts from others?
 
Date: 1/31/2010 3:37:59 AM
Author: texirish
Also found this one on WhiteFlash:
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2145455.htm#
Basically same as first WhiteFlash, but G instead of I color. Is the 2 grades of color better worth the $700 difference?
To me this one is the real standout. Numbers and images look really good. I really do think it is worth it to ge ta G color diamond. I have owned a J and a K (both probably similar to your present diamond) and recentry traded up for a G color and I am totally happy with my choice! The G is white and crisp. Other people prefer lower colors, but I think G is a great color sweet spot.

I also have owned a VS2, an SI1, and an SI2. My sweet spot is SI1. It is very difficult to find eye clean SI2s and seeing inclusions bugs me, so I personally prefer SI1 for the safety.

You will need to ask WF if that Premium Select stone quaifies for lifetime upgrade/buyback. As I understood it, some would and some would not in that category.
 
Thanks for the info, I did check out Brian Gavin, and have sent an inquiry for more info on one:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-details/?product_id=23598152

As of right now, I like the three Whiteflash diamonds:


I also like the James Allen I/SI2 but I'd be worried about getting an SI2 that I didn't see in person to see if I think its eye-clean. But the advantage with Whiteflash is that hopefully I can check the diamonds out in their office to see the difference in G vs I and SI1 v SI2. I think I'm leaning towards the G/SI1 or SI2 but that is really topping out the budget, especially cause I think they are going to have to charge me tax at Whiteflash because I am in Houston with them.

Anyone have any experience with Whiteflash, either just buying a diamond or creating a custom piece? Thanks again, I think I'm coming along nicely... getting out of the retail stores and hopefully finding the perfect diamond!
 
I agree with the suggestion of saving your family diamond for a pendant and get the diamond you want for the ering. If you have a Jared''s near you they will take the same trade in as Kays and they do sell ideal cut diamonds. Yes, they are higher than an online vendor but I just wanted to throw that out there for your consideration. The Leo diamonds I have looked at did not appeal to me.
 
Date: 1/31/2010 10:47:31 PM
Author: marcyc
If you have a Jared''s near you they will take the same trade in as Kays and they do sell ideal cut diamonds. Yes, they are higher than an online vendor but I just wanted to throw that out there for your consideration.

Really? That I did not know... yes there is Jared''s right around the corner from me... I am going to have to pay them a visit now... and I''m checking out there online diamond selection as well! Thanks for the info!
 
Well well, I''m going to have to go into Jared''s tomorrow and see if they will honor Kay''s trade in value! If so it looks like they have a very large selection of GIA/AGS Ideal cut diamonds, that while normally overpriced, if you take half off because of my trade in value, fit perfectly in my budget. Just a matter of finding which combo of color and clarity would be best... here are four examples, all with excellent HCA values (0.9 to 1.5).

http://design.jared-diamonds.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1275315.asp
http://design.jared-diamonds.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1192354.asp
http://design.jared-diamonds.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253603.asp
http://design.jared-diamonds.com/diamonds/F-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1193777.asp

These are all priced at $7500 to $7100, which at basically half off with trade in comes to $3750 to $3050 before taxes. All are over 1ct, which was my original goal. Thoughts on G/SI1 vs H/VS2 vs F/SI1??? I looked at G/VS2 but they jump to $8300 (or $4150) which is reaching on my budget... but is also what the Whiteflash .9ct G/SI1 costs. So thoughts from anyone on these?

Guess the big question will be whether or not Jared offers me the same trade in! Hope so, I''m going to find out tomorrow! And thanks again for the info!
 
Date: 2/1/2010 12:52:05 AM
Author: texirish
Well well, I''m going to have to go into Jared''s tomorrow and see if they will honor Kay''s trade in value! If so it looks like they have a very large selection of GIA/AGS Ideal cut diamonds, that while normally overpriced, if you take half off because of my trade in value, fit perfectly in my budget. Just a matter of finding which combo of color and clarity would be best... here are four examples, all with excellent HCA values (0.9 to 1.5).

http://design.jared-diamonds.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1275315.asp
http://design.jared-diamonds.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1192354.asp
http://design.jared-diamonds.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253603.asp
http://design.jared-diamonds.com/diamonds/F-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1193777.asp

These are all priced at $7500 to $7100, which at basically half off with trade in comes to $3750 to $3050 before taxes. All are over 1ct, which was my original goal. Thoughts on G/SI1 vs H/VS2 vs F/SI1??? I looked at G/VS2 but they jump to $8300 (or $4150) which is reaching on my budget... but is also what the Whiteflash .9ct G/SI1 costs. So thoughts from anyone on these?

Guess the big question will be whether or not Jared offers me the same trade in! Hope so, I''m going to find out tomorrow! And thanks again for the info!
I hope they offer the trade in! Choosing this way is a good option.

I think G/SI1 is the perfect sweet spot for value for money.
 
Ok, so a few days latter the dust has settled and I''ve got an update for all...

The trip to Jared''s reminded me why I don''t like shopping at retail jewelers. Too pushy, limited selection, overpriced, and such... While they would take the Kay''s diamond, they didn''t want to offer me the same price that I had been told at Kay''s, which was actually more likely Kay''s fault in the first place than it was Jared''s. Either way, their ideal cut G/SI1 "1ct" (was actually .96 but she kept calling it a 1ct), while very beautiful and rated by AGS and Gemex, came to $4700 after my trade in... which is around what you can get a signature line diamond from one of the awesome vendors here for, so obviously not a good deal. I''ve basically scrapped the "trade in" idea, and will get more value from it by simply pawning it for a few hundred to apply to the cost of the new ring. I''m going to try and sell it privately, but when it comes down to it I will likely have to just bite the bullet and pawn it, or does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to sell? I''m trying craigslist at the moment, I don''t think it would do very well on Ebay. A pricescope search of similar diamonds (0.55 to 0.57ct, H/SI1 IGI/EGL rated) shows the diamond to be about $1000, plus I''ve already got it in a setting. So I hope I can get at least $500 for it... we''ll see.

But enough of that, on to the good stuff!!!!

I''ve been talking with Sheerah over at Whiteflash for the last few days, and I must say I am very impressed with them so far. I''ve reserved the http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2231269.htm# and I have an appt to go look at it in person tomorrow and compare it with some other diamonds, including the .9 I/SI1, and a few 1cts like a J/VS2, just to check my options. But I really like the one I''ve reserved, as I think it is a steal as a "SI2", the 40x pic looks great, and Whiteflash confirmed that the diamond is surprisingly very nicely eye clean for what they are used to seeing at that rating. Plus I still get to put my own eyes on it and see for myself, so I''m very excited! I''ve attached a pic of the diamond, and I''ll post the other images as well...

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Idealscope

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ASET

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Hearts

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I think its beautiful, and I can''t wait to see it in person tomorrow! Also, I''ve been working with Whiteflash on designing a custom band. My girlfriend really likes the vintage, art deco style and here is what we have come up with so far for our "ring inspiration"
 
Lets try that again:

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I think you will be much happier with the WF ACA than anything Jared''s was offering!!! Looks like a beautiful stone. Congrats!!!
 
She likes the split shank look with the full bezel halo that is set down into the band, and doesn''t stand up on its own. We like the ring to flow together.

Another idea that I have been discussing with Whiteflash is including a design that my gf drew. She was an art major in school, and has what I think is cool talent for creating designs that when looked at closely are actually letters, either initials, a saying, or etc. I''ve attached the picture she drew, and at first we were going to try an engrave it on the inside of the ring with a "surprise" ruby as the small stone within the "AJ" (our initials), but that doesn''t really seem possible as it is too intricate and needs to be hand done. But then Whiteflash suggested putting it on the outside of the shank, but at the very bottom, so that it really will still only be seen by her, and will also put a personal touch on the ring. Any thoughts, suggestions? I''m still thinking about it as well. I like the idea, but I don''t want to make it to "hokey" I guess.

I also am having trouble trying to decide between white gold and platinum, does anyone who owns (or has owned) both have any suggestions on which metal they would recommend?

Thanks again pricescopers! I''d love to hear what y''all think about the diamond, and the images, as well as our idea for the custom ring, you have all been such great help!
 
Left off the upload again, but here it is this time!

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