Harry Winston or LOGR

[VapidLapid]

qu'est-ce que c'est la différance?

 

[Lady_Disdain]

I say LoGR, because the pave looks cast in place to me.

 

[Aerix]

I guess Harry Winston because of the clawed prongs. (I may be wrong, just guessing!)

 

[Candice]

Harry Winston is my guess!

 

[AN0NYM0US]

If I had to pick one I would pick Harry Winston as the one

 

[Deathspi]

Harry winston, but only because of the detail, that's not much to go on...

 

[chrono]

HW because of the claw prongs on the center stone.

 

[JewelFreak]

Harry. Is it on the way to you?

 

[Arcadian]

Hmmm..

Well, I think in the hands of a very skilled jeweler, a LOGR setting CAN be made to look similar to Harry Winston. Laurens jeweler has done some amazing claw prongs on a LOGR setting before. That one does look like a HW though.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

-A

 

[T L]

Neither LOGR or HW. It's a cast made piece by another manufacturer. That's my guess.

 

[chrono]

I didn't realize there was a neither option listed. It could well be someone else as I've seen many other replicas similar to HW's designs and workmanship.

 

[VapidLapid]

One of us posted a reply to this that was right on the money, but then she deleted it for some reason. As best I can remember it went something like this, "The difficulty in deciding is what is most telling - either way.". Indeed, when I first saw the picture I had that hesitant moment. The ubiquity of the design I guess is what lends it to being anyone's signature piece. My first thought was that the obvious differences between this being either a logr or a winston were few, and that a highly skilled benchperson finishing the logr could make it emulate a winston. That got me thinking with the likely 100k difference between them why get a winston? One could easily buy a loose 5 carat cushion and have it set at the local jeweler's. Maybe it's just out of place applying questions of use-value to jewelry, but I wondered what more would one get from the winston than the logr? Somewhat better construction, no need to uprade the pavé, and a name. In the buyer's lifetime the use value would be the same for dressing, ornamentation and the impressive effect. The heirloom-ity of the logr might not match the winston. This did not sit well with me. In all things I tend to be a snob for quality, rarity and execution. But I also prize self-sufficiency, ingenuity, accomplishment and, yes subversion of unquestioned, unexamined accepted standards. So while I might love a harry winston with all it's Sotheby's auction block determinism, I have to admire a logr that comes along looking just the same doing the smiley wavey like its a gang hand sign from the pages of ebay. The poll results show that most of us are unsure if this is a logr or a winston and are relying on small features for clues. Oh delicious antithesis confoundation! It's a winston. You who buy logrs might instruct your benchpeople to make the prongs pointy. Wouldnt it be funny if winston bought logrs and did the same?

 

[Aerix]

One of us posted a reply to this that was right on the money, but then she deleted it for some reason. As best I can remember it went something like this, "The difficulty in deciding is what is most telling - either way.". Indeed, when I first saw the picture I had that hesitant moment. The ubiquity of the design I guess is what lends it to being anyone's signature piece. My first thought was that the obvious differences between this being either a logr or a winston were few, and that a highly skilled benchperson finishing the logr could make it emulate a winston. That got me thinking with the likely 100k difference between them why get a winston? One could easily buy a loose 5 carat cushion and have it set at the local jeweler's. Maybe it's just out of place applying questions of use-value to jewelry, but I wondered what more would one get from the winston than the logr? Somewhat better construction, no need to uprade the pavé, and a name. In the buyer's lifetime the use value would be the same for dressing, ornamentation and the impressive effect. The heirloom-ity of the logr might not match the winston. This did not sit well with me. In all things I tend to be a snob for quality, rarity and execution. But I also prize self-sufficiency, ingenuity, accomplishment and, yes subversion of unquestioned, unexamined accepted standards. So while I might love a harry winston with all it's Sotheby's auction block determinism, I have to admire a logr that comes along looking just the same doing the smiley wavey like its a gang hand sign from the pages of ebay. The poll results show that most of us are unsure if this is a logr or a winston and are relying on small features for clues. Oh delicious antithesis confoundation! It's a winston. You who buy logrs might instruct your benchpeople to make the prongs pointy. Wouldnt it be funny if winston bought logrs and did the same?

I knew it! The prongs gave it away. What do I win for guessing right?

 

[T L]

Well I do know that LTP's LOGR legacy ring was mistaken by a Tiffany SA for a Tiffany, and I've seen them in person. I don't think the price point is worth it for a Tiffany. I will say that some LOGR's are crafted much better than others. For example, the mold on his 7x7 legacy is way overused, and you can tell. The metal is not even and it's just a mess as far as metal work goes. I have an 8x8 and a 9x9 legacy (new mold on the 9x9) and they're really as nice as any Tiffany legacy I've seen in person.

I do not think the above setting looks like a Leon however, especially the shank. Too much metal covering the diamonds.

 

[slg47]

Well I do know that LTP's LOGR legacy ring was mistaken by a Tiffany SA for a Tiffany, and I've seen them in person. I don't think the price point is worth it for a Tiffany. I will say that some LOGR's are crafted much better than others. For example, the mold on his 7x7 legacy is way overused, and you can tell. The metal is not even and it's just a mess as far as metal work goes. I have an 8x8 and a 9x9 legacy (new mold on the 9x9) and they're really as nice as any Tiffany legacy I've seen in person.

I do not think the above setting looks like a Leon however, especially the shank. Too much metal covering the diamonds.

this is what I noticed, too.

 

[Imdanny]

I was going to say if that's not a Harry Winston then someone's done an awfully good job of copying.

 

[Michael_E]

My first thought was that the obvious differences between this being either a logr or a winston were few, and that a highly skilled benchperson finishing the logr could make it emulate a winston.

Nope, not a chance.

That got me thinking with the likely 100k difference between them why get a winston? One could easily buy a loose 5 carat cushion and have it set at the local jeweler's. Maybe it's just out of place applying questions of use-value to jewelry, but I wondered what more would one get from the winston than the logr? Somewhat better construction, no need to uprade the pavé, and a name. In the buyer's lifetime the use value would be the same for dressing, ornamentation and the impressive effect. The heirloom-ity of the logr might not match the winston.

Somewhat better construction? That's a laugh. I have seen both and the ONLY comparison possible is via pictures.

This did not sit well with me. In all things I tend to be a snob for quality, rarity and execution. But I also prize self-sufficiency, ingenuity, accomplishment and, yes subversion of unquestioned, unexamined accepted standards. So while I might love a harry winston with all it's Sotheby's auction block determinism, I have to admire a logr that comes along looking just the same doing the smiley wavey like its a gang hand sign from the pages of ebay. The poll results show that most of us are unsure if this is a logr or a winston and are relying on small features for clues. Oh delicious antithesis confoundation! It's a winston. You who buy logrs might instruct your benchpeople to make the prongs pointy. Wouldnt it be funny if winston bought logrs and did the same?

I guess that you'd just have to hold either in your hand to understand that pictures are just pictures. Reality is a completely different thing and that is where quality, rarity and execution stand out. It is very easy to make nearly anything look good in pictures, but it is impossible to do the same in real life. If HW was selling the lower priced stuff, they'd be out of business very shortly, with their LEAST discriminating clients RUNNING out of their shop, trailing their high end scarves and dragging their little fluffy dogs yelling, "EWWWWWW!"

 

[T L]

If HW was selling the lower priced stuff, they'd be out of business very shortly, with their LEAST discriminating clients RUNNING out of their shop, trailing their high end scarves and dragging their little fluffy dogs yelling, "EWWWWWW!"

Some people are so blind to a name, they can't pick up on poor quality. Tiffany & Co's quality has gone down hill for years now, but they rely on their name to bring in the big bucks. Some of their pieces are well executed, but not all. If you look at their print ads for the Tiffany Legacy, the workmanship is very shoddy. Some of the Paloma Picasso line is hideous. It's that way in person as well - uneven bezels and millgrain, uneven, unsymmetrically set stones, etc. . .

However, there are some people, as you say, who would spot the poor quality, and run out of the store, no matter the name.

BTW, I can't comment on the quality of the LOGR vs the HW IRL as I havent' seen a HW in a very very long time, and that was at an antique show.

 

[T L]

VL,
So where is the ad from? How do you know it's an LOGR? Are you allowed to say?

 

[LD]

Comparison - ok the prongs are different but ............

 

[BluntTruth]

Not sure of your point here Vapid the fact you have been able to confuse some posters isn't all that unexpected.

1) It is unequivocally a picture of a HW micropave ring
http://www.harrywinston.com/Engage.aspx?section=engagement


2) The key elements to me are:
i) v cut pave
ii) minimal metal on the halo with diamonds not metal defining the edge
iii) delicate and refined claw prongs
iv) small melee stones (~0.8 - 0.9 pt melee with minimal metal halo)
v) Cushion modified brilliant centre diamond
vi) small and delicate pave beads

3) There are major differences between this HW ring and LOGR settings both in pictures and especially IRL.

4) Many of the differences and superiority of this ring over cheap copies can not be seen from this one angle as the side profile and basket are very important in the style.

5) If you want to see comparable style and delicacy of refinement you would have to look to a high end handmade designer to duplicate or be inspired by such a piece. The tiny beads of metal in the pave and close fit are rarely achieved by the setters used to complete cast rings. You want to see comparable try (Leon Mege, Ocean Pearlman, Steven Kirsch(maybe)).

 

[LD]

Not sure of your point here Vapid the fact you have been able to confuse some of the "experts" isn't all that unexpected.

1) It is unequivocally a picture of a HW micropave ring
http://www.harrywinston.com/Engage.aspx?section=engagement


2) The key elements to me are:
i) v cut pave
ii) minimal metal on the halo with diamonds not metal defining the edge
iii) delicate and refined claw prongs
iv) small melee stones (~0.8 - 0.9 pt melee with minimal metal halo)
v) Cushion modified brilliant centre diamond
vi) small and delicate pave beads

3) There are major differences between this HW ring and LOGR settings both in pictures and especially IRL.

4) Many of the differences and superiority of this ring over cheap copies can not be seen from this one angle as the side profile and basket are very important in the style.

5) If you want to see comparable style and delicacy of refinement you would have to look to a high end handmade designer to duplicate or be inspired by such a piece. The tiny beads of metal in the pave and close fit are rarely achieved by the setters used to complete cast rings. You want to see comparable try (Leon Mege, Ocean Pearlman, Steven Kirsch(maybe)).

What a horrible first post.

Edit: I see you changed the wording since I quoted your post. However I wonder why you chose to attack Vapid in such a manner?

 

[BluntTruth]

Horrible but informative and so far this thread has been anything but (with the exception of Michael_E who is right on the money).

If you ladies want to pat yourself on the back for all the money you saved or can save by buying chinese made LOGR settings that is perfectly fine, some of them are excellent value for the low price, but a comparison to a HW micropave is a bit of a stretch, go see for yourself in real life.

 

[VapidLapid]

I already said its a winston. the picture is from hw's website. Since the only criteria we can have in here without lab reports are the photos thats all there was to judge this by. Of course in hand one would have a better view, but on one's hand the person two tables away in a restaurant hasn't much better info than one close up detailed photo gives us in here. When the harry winston page opened up the first thing I said was that looks like a logr, not what a fine harry winston.
Blunt, I dont think there are major differences between them by these pictures, which is borne out in the responses and in the side by side with LDs ring. In person there should be huge differences, but today pictures are all we have here til teleportation comes. LD's ring holds its own in a side by side with a HW! Also I dont think anyone is feeling silly now. People with logrs are probably feeling pretty good actually and people who bought HWs were buying for the name as much as anything. For me the impetus for and subject of this thread was the moment of uncertainty between such disparate brands

 

[T L]

I already said its a winston. the picture is from hw's website.

I apologize VL, for some reason I thought you said it was an LOGR. I need better reading glasses! LOL!

 

[LD]

Horrible but informative and so far this thread has been anything but (with the exception of Michael_E who is right on the money).

If you ladies want to pat yourself on the back for all the money you saved or can save by buying chinese made LOGR settings that is perfectly fine, some of them are excellent value for the low price, but a comparison to a HW micropave is a bit of a stretch, go see for yourself in real life.

No. You are not being informative. Rather than make sweeping assumptions of what you THINK people have, you should spend some time on the forum doing a few searches. If you did that, you'd see that many of us have bought chinese settings but that we also have commissioned pieces AND have bought "designer" jewellery. Just because something has a "name" it doesn't mean you are assured of quality.

 

[VapidLapid]

Nothing to apologize for TL. I buried it in the middle of a paragraph particularly so that the revelation would not be the point of the thread. I also said as little as possible up front to as not to bias the responses.

Blunt from the two posts you have made on pricescope, both of them in this thread, it seems as though you joined only to belittle this thread and prop up michael e, or only just to attack me. I am satisfied that my posts are thoughtful, encourage inquiry and discussion, are sometimes helpful and sometimes funny. I may not be everyone's piece of cake, but then I'm not keen to sit on everyone's plate.

edited for speling

 

[Michael_E]

prop up michael e, or only just to attack me.

Did I hear my name? Prop me up....cool, anyone else want to join in the fun and keep me from toppling over as I shuffle along?

Attack you Vapid? Where? Blunt was merely point out the differences that they saw and that pointed to the piece being a HW piece. Do you honestly expect everyone to agree with your analysis that there is little difference between a HW ring and one from a low end E-Bay vendor? That's like trying to convince everyone that their KIA is the same as a Mercedes. Maybe in pictures, but never IRL. I'm not sure that it matters much though, the sort of people who are buying HW pieces are never, (well maybe I should say rarely), going to be buying the lower end stuff and I think that the people buying the lower end stuff really do need something to dream about and aspire to. Why not dream about one of the best, (even if they are a bit tarnished, the high end outfits still provide the best dreams, don't they?)

 

[LD]

prop up michael e, or only just to attack me.

Did I hear my name? Prop me up....cool, anyone else want to join in the fun and keep me from toppling over as I shuffle along?

Attack you Vapid? Where? Blunt was merely point out the differences that they saw and that pointed to the piece being a HW piece. Do you honestly expect everyone to agree with your analysis that there is little difference between a HW ring and one from a low end E-Bay vendor? That's like trying to convince everyone that their KIA is the same as a Mercedes. Maybe in pictures, but never IRL. I'm not sure that it matters much though, the sort of people who are buying HW pieces are never, (well maybe I should say rarely), going to be buying the lower end stuff and I think that the people buying the lower end stuff really do need something to dream about and aspire to. Why not dream about one of the best, (even if they are a bit tarnished, the high end outfits still provide the best dreams, don't they?)

Michael - please don't you start making sweeping assumptions as well! Some people choose NOT to share everything on here so it's quite conceivable that there are many people who buy at all ends of the spectrum. I do! Actually, that's not true. I did! I don't any more because I prefer to spend my money on central stones and then compromise with settings. I don't see the logic in buying a brand name and adding two extra zeros to the price. I can commission a piece that's unique, well made, substantial and high quality without paying for a name. I completely agree that SOME brand names come with quality and of course, side by side, in real life that will scream out at you in terms of weight, feel, finish etc. However, that's not true for all and some of the chinese settings are surprisingly good - considering the price point.

In terms of Blunt's first post if you look at the first line of his/her post you will see it was an attack, criticising posters on this forum - you will see that I quoted the thread before the wording was changed. A very unusual entry into the forum! I don't believe that anybody has set themselves up to be experts! Fanatics, collectors, jewellery lovers, reasonably knowledgeable and constantly learning is probably a far better description for us all than experts!

 

[Michael_E]

Michael - please don't you start making sweeping assumptions as well!

Why not? Everyone else does.

Some people choose NOT to share everything on here so it's quite conceivable that there are many people who buy at all ends of the spectrum. I do! Actually, that's not true. I did! I don't any more because I prefer to spend my money on central stones and then compromise with settings. I don't see the logic in buying a brand name and adding two extra zeros to the price. I can commission a piece that's unique, well made, substantial and high quality without paying for a name. I completely agree that SOME brand names come with quality and of course, side by side, in real life that will scream out at you in terms of weight, feel, finish etc. However, that's not true for all and some of the chinese settings are surprisingly good - considering the price point.

I have no complaint about where anyone is buying whatever they'd like, so no problem there. Yes, some of the Chinese settings are passable for their price point, BUT not a single one of them can compare to a HW setting or one made by a custom maker, be they in the U.S., Europe, OR China. I had thought that VL's comparison was tongue in cheek initially and I still think that he's trolling the issue and sitting back laughing, so this is more fun than an actual discussion.

I don't believe that anybody has set themselves up to be experts! Fanatics, collectors, jewellery lovers, reasonably knowledgeable and constantly learning is probably a far better description for us all than experts!

O.K., but you forgot HIGHLY opinionated, (which could be mistaken for a expert by anyone who knows less than they do). It's O.K. with me though, I just hope that you're not looking for constant agreement with the "non-experts", because that wouldn't be any fun at all.