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HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold setting?

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Hi PriceScope! I’m looking to get an engagement ring for my girlfriend made from a 1.5 – 2.0 carat round cut diamond from Brian Gavin with strong blue fluorescence. I have a couple concerns I’m hoping people here could help me with.

1. Lower color grade: I am considering a “K/L” colored stone, which I understand is near the end of the spectrum with regards to acceptable grades for “white” diamonds. I plan to get this 14K rose gold pave setting: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/e...side-stones/romy-sholdt-14k-rose-gold-5346r14 which I hope will partially offset the color. I understand that the fluorescence helps the stone face up white more as well. My favorite stone is AGS 0 ideal cut (HCA below 1.5) which I also heard helps to neutralize the effects of the color due to better brilliance (?). Do you all think there would still be a distinct yellowish tint to the center stone, especially in contrast to the pave stones?

2. Explaining fluorescence: After doing my share of research I am comfortable with blue flour, but of course I’m not the one who will be wearing the ring. I know for certain that my girlfriend appreciates a good value (she explicitly told me not to “waste money” on a brand name ring). My understanding is that blue flour. diamonds are a very good value, but my fear is that if I get a stone with strong flour she will view this as a defect. Any thoughts? I doubt she is fully aware of the concept of fluorescence and educating her on the idea may be difficult post proposal.

3. Setting costs: The setting which I like (and which I think my girlfriend would as well) is the one linked above. However, I do feel it is quite expensive (about 30% the cost of the stone I’m considering). Is there any rule of thumb as to the price of the setting relative to the cost of the stone? In the end I’ll still end up picking what I think looks best, but I would love to hear any opinions you all may have.

I have found all the posts here on PS exceptionally informative and am thankful for all the insight that this community has provided. Anything that helps would be much appreciated.
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

I am always cautious about settings that are very stylized when it comes to surprises. BG has some settings that I LOVE, but that is not one of them. If she has shown you settings that she loves that are similar to that one, then I think you are safe. If not, don't do it! I should add that part of the problem with that ring is that it won't work well with a wedding band, so you have to consider that.

I also do not recommend below J color for an engagement ring. People will definitely see the tint in lower colors than that and I think one has to really like lower colors and not care at all what others think to go that low. J with blue fluorescence should work with the stones in the setting.
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

I'm in agreement with DS - that could be a bit too dramatic/unique/stylized for a surprise. I like your diamond plan - K/L with fluoro set in RG. I also like the idea of the pave setting... but I'd be more inclined to go with a more traditional pave style solitaire and you can always change it out later...

THis is what I'd go with - love the 6 prong head for that size diamond!
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/u-shaped-half-eternity-18k-rose-gold-5483r18

or this one:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/4-prong-sleek-micro-pave-18k-rose-gold-5472r18
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

From what I understand, fluorescence only helps a diamond face up whiter in the presence of UV light. Most indoor lighting lacks the UV element. If your girlfriend is not outside a lot, she may not benefit from the fluorescence. With an L stone, I think that you will be able to tell the tint even in a face-up position and you will definitely be able to see it from the sides.

If you like warmer stones, this one looks lovely: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.008-l-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104062571043..

I suggest you put a hold on any of the stones you like from BGD - they tend to go pretty quickly.
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

Also you shouldn't have to worry about the fluorescence effect on price for K/L diamonds. If anything, fluorescence is viewed as positive for I-M diamonds: https://www.pricescope.com/journal/blue_fluorescence_diamonds

You could always get the stone shipped to you for inspection before setting if you're not sure how you feel about warmer diamonds.
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

Hi PriceScope! I’m looking to get an engagement ring for my girlfriend made from a 1.5 – 2.0 carat round cut diamond from Brian Gavin with strong blue fluorescence. I have a couple concerns I’m hoping people here could help me with.

1. Lower color grade: I am considering a “K/L” colored stone, which I understand is near the end of the spectrum with regards to acceptable grades for “white” diamonds. I plan to get this 14K rose gold pave setting: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/romy-sholdt-14k-rose-gold-5346r14 which I hope will partially offset the color. I understand that the fluorescence helps the stone face up white more as well. My favorite stone is AGS 0 ideal cut (HCA below 1.5) which I also heard helps to neutralize the effects of the color due to better brilliance (?). Do you all think there would still be a distinct yellowish tint to the center stone, especially in contrast to the pave stones?

A 1.5-2ct K/L stone will definitely look tinted on close inspection, and the tint will definitely be visible compared to larger higher coloured stones, fluor or no. It's not necessarily a bad thing - some people like tint - but like DS said it's probably not wise to surprise her with it, as it's not the 'traditional' take on an Ering.


2. Explaining fluorescence: After doing my share of research I am comfortable with blue flour, but of course I’m not the one who will be wearing the ring. I know for certain that my girlfriend appreciates a good value (she explicitly told me not to “waste money” on a brand name ring). My understanding is that blue flour. diamonds are a very good value, but my fear is that if I get a stone with strong flour she will view this as a defect. Any thoughts? I doubt she is fully aware of the concept of fluorescence and educating her on the idea may be difficult post proposal.

Fluor only has any effect in long wave UV - sunlight, bars, probably a couple of exhibits at your local science museum. In all other lighting environments you'll see the body colour of the stone - there's really no masking it well enough to make it look like a higher colour, IMO, you have to embrace it. I think a K/L would be lovely in rose gold but I happen to like warmer stones.


3. Setting costs: The setting which I like (and which I think my girlfriend would as well) is the one linked above. However, I do feel it is quite expensive (about 30% the cost of the stone I’m considering). Is there any rule of thumb as to the price of the setting relative to the cost of the stone? In the end I’ll still end up picking what I think looks best, but I would love to hear any opinions you all may have.

Agree w/ PPs - that's a "risky" setting, if you aren't completely sure of her tastes in engagement rings. I don't advise choosing an engagement ring style based on her other tastes in jewellery, as she might have strong feelings about how her Erings should look that may contradict her usual personal style! Can you talk to her mother/sister/friend(s)?


I have found all the posts here on PS exceptionally informative and am thankful for all the insight that this community has provided. Anything that helps would be much appreciated.
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

J is the end of the near-colorless range. K is the beginning of faint yellow.
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

Oh, and the style you chose is a bezel style. Brian Gavin's website says that bezel settings are final sale and can't be returned. You might want to double-check with them for this particular setting. If so, you should make sure you are ok with the diamond color and your fiancee is ok with the setting before you decide.
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

Thanks all, great advice!

I think I'll start focusing on the H/I/J range now.

Setting wise I'm still a bit torn, but I get the logic behind a 'traditional' setting; why take risks when you can reset the stone later I guess.
Will be careful of the bezel styles as well.
 
Re: HELP- K / L stone with blue fluor. on 14K rose gold sett

For what it's worth, the Truth About Diamonds website creator says that it's perfectly fine to set a lower color diamond in a yellow gold setting. I assume the same is true for rose gold. The lower color of a diamond won't be as noticeable in a rose gold setting.

http://www.truthaboutdiamonds.com/truth-about/diamond-color/

If you do decide on a lower color, I would select a stone / setting that is returnable just in case you end up not liking it.
 
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