HELP PICKING EMERALD CUT

jac233 · Nov 20, 2009

Hello-

I am just starting my research but I do know I''m looking for around a 2ct emerald cut diamond.

What are the most important factors to look for? I am looking in the range of 10-13k.

Any help is much appreciated as I am definitely clueless!

Hest88 · Nov 20, 2009

Great ECs are not easy to fine, and at that price range for a 2ct stone you''ll probably need to figure out what you''re willing to give up. For instance, here''s one, but we don''t know if the cut is any good and you''ll need the guidance of the vendor. I would suggest you call someplace like Whiteflash and see how they could help.
http://www.whiteflash.com/emerald/Emerald-cut-diamond-2228204.htm

Lorelei · Nov 21, 2009

Date: 11/20/2009 6:18:20 PM
Author:jac233
Hello-

I am just starting my research but I do know I''m looking for around a 2ct emerald cut diamond.

What are the most important factors to look for? I am looking in the range of 10-13k.

Any help is much appreciated as I am definitely clueless!

Hi Jac

There are various proportion configurations that can result in a great emerald cut, but the main thing are images if buying online as you can''t judge an EC by the numbers. I agree with Miss Hest, select a vendor and see what they can find for you. Generally you need to go higher in colour and clarity for an EC as inclusions and warmth from some colour grades can be seen more easily, I would suggest no lower than H VS2 initially.

jac233 · Dec 7, 2009

Date: 11/21/2009 6:19:30 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/20/2009 6:18:20 PM
Author:jac233
Hello-

I am just starting my research but I do know I''m looking for around a 2ct emerald cut diamond.

What are the most important factors to look for? I am looking in the range of 10-13k.

Any help is much appreciated as I am definitely clueless!

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Hi Jac

There are various proportion configurations that can result in a great emerald cut, but the main thing are images if buying online as you can''t judge an EC by the numbers. I agree with Miss Hest, select a vendor and see what they can find for you. Generally you need to go higher in colour and clarity for an EC as inclusions and warmth from some colour grades can be seen more easily, I would suggest no lower than H VS2 initially.

Thank you for your response. Do you have suggestions for the best place to start looking? Also, is it best to buy in-person or can you trust buying a stone on-line?

bgray · Dec 7, 2009

call or email Whiteflash, James Allen or Union. these vendors are all trustworthy and well regarded. i bought my EC from Whiteflash and they made the custom mounting for me....sent me the package.

Lorelei · Dec 8, 2009

Date: 12/7/2009 11:13:12 PM
Author: jac233

Date: 11/21/2009 6:19:30 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/20/2009 6:18:20 PM
Author:jac233
Hello-

I am just starting my research but I do know I'm looking for around a 2ct emerald cut diamond.

What are the most important factors to look for? I am looking in the range of 10-13k.

Any help is much appreciated as I am definitely clueless!

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Hi Jac

There are various proportion configurations that can result in a great emerald cut, but the main thing are images if buying online as you can't judge an EC by the numbers. I agree with Miss Hest, select a vendor and see what they can find for you. Generally you need to go higher in colour and clarity for an EC as inclusions and warmth from some colour grades can be seen more easily, I would suggest no lower than H VS2 initially.

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Thank you for your response. Do you have suggestions for the best place to start looking? Also, is it best to buy in-person or can you trust buying a stone on-line?

You are welcome. You can certainly buy online from a trusted vendor if they have images and the analysis available in order to know exactly what you are buying.

Here are some vendors that might be able to help you, if they don't have what you are looking for in house they might be able to call some EC's in for you.

www.goodoldgold.com

www.whiteflash.com

www.niceice.com

www.jamesallen.com

www.exceldiamonds.com

jac233 · Jan 6, 2010

Here are 2 just to get the ball rolling. I understand the basics but please shed some light on the other specs to look for such as table, girdle, etc.

Let me know how these look and I will go from here.

http://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-diamond-ring?pid=LD01308453&forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/Compare_Diamonds.aspx?idnos=2208381,2185710

Lorelei · Jan 7, 2010

Date: 1/6/2010 11:04:22 PM
Author: jac233
Here are 2 just to get the ball rolling. I understand the basics but please shed some light on the other specs to look for such as table, girdle, etc.

Let me know how these look and I will go from here.

http://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-diamond-ring?pid=LD01308453&forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/Compare_Diamonds.aspx?idnos=2208381,2185710

BN won''t provide images so no way to tell with their diamonds. The WF stones are not in house so WF would have to call these in for evaluation.

Basic guidelines for an EC,

depth 70% or below
table 65% or less
crown height 10% or greater
girdle - avoid extremes such as very thin to very thick, look for thin to slightly thick, thin to medium etc if you can.

Then the rest is images, detailed photographs and an ASET image preferably.

jac233 · Jan 13, 2010

Thanks. I received these from WF. Do you have any comments on these?

I should ask for ASET imgage? Does this show the inclusions?

Emerald 1.50 D VS1 TK N VG VG GIA N 62.5% 64% 7.99x5.78x3.61 $10,592ps wire
Ratio 1.38:1

Emerald 1.51 F VS1 M-STK N VG VG GIA N 64.5% 64% 7.44x5.81x3.75 $10,302ps wire
Ratio 1.28:1

Emerald 1.74 E VVS2 STK-TK N EX VG GIA N 62.9% 59% 8.79x5.80x3.65 $12,990ps wire
Ratio 1.52:1

Emerald 1.71 G VS2 M-STK N EX VG GIA N 63.8% 64% 8.10x6.07x3.87 $10,678ps wire
Ratio 1.33:1

Emerald 1.56 F VS2 M-STK N VG VG GIA N 61.1% 59% 8.53x5.78x3.53 $10,502ps wire
Ratio 1.48:1

Hest88 · Jan 13, 2010

Again, all of those are promising but it''s impossible to tell if they''ll be gorgeous or not without having WF bring them in and look at them. You probably don''t want to pay for bringing all of them in, so the first step with those stones is to weed out a few. Do you have a ratio preference? Do you like squarer stones or more elongated ones? That way you can at least focus on ratio as a means of elimination.

Then, what about size?

Personally, I don''t like long ECs, and I prefer a table that''s smaller than depth so I''d eliminate the 1.74 right off the bat, but then that''s me.

megeve · Jan 13, 2010

If the first percentage is depth, then according to the numbers, I would go for 2, 3 & 5. Basically for an EC, if you stay with table % smaller than depth%, you will likely be safe with a higher crown % (desirable 10% or more). You should ask WF for the crown height first and post them here, then you can go on from there.

bgray · Jan 13, 2010

3 and 5 look very very promising. i would request crown heights but i would imagine they will be fine. see if they will bring in 2 and check them out for you

Bella_mezzo · Jan 13, 2010

Seconding 3 and 5. Can''t wait to see more info/images...

emeraldlover1 · Jan 13, 2010

From soley looking at the numbers, I''m not a current fan of any of them, least of all #3. I tend to perfer a ratio in the 1.3 - 1.4 range but that is personal preference. These stones listed, two of them the table is bigger than the depth. From numbers alone the only thing that tells me is that there is a higher risk of the stone looking flat and glassy. Can you get pictures of these stones? That would at least be a better idication of the shape and facet patterns.

emeraldlover1 · Jan 13, 2010

I just did a search on jamesallen.com There a quite a few with your requirements listed. The also have pictures. You may want to search there.

bgray · Jan 13, 2010

Date: 1/13/2010 12:17:13 PM
Author: Bella_mezzo
Seconding 3 and 5. Can''t wait to see more info/images...

and for 3 and 5 the depth is greater than the table--usually a very good indicator of the crown height and perfomance. I believe you indicated you preferred the classic 1.5. These both fit the bill nicely.

Dreamer_D · Jan 13, 2010

Date: 1/13/2010 4:12:17 PM
Author: bgray

Date: 1/13/2010 12:17:13 PM
Author: Bella_mezzo
Seconding 3 and 5. Can''t wait to see more info/images...

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and for 3 and 5 the depth is greater than the table--usually a very good indicator of the crown height and perfomance. I believe you indicated you preferred the classic 1.5. These both fit the bill nicely.

piccies please!

jac233 · Jan 19, 2010

Here are a few others:

Emerald 1.71 F VS1 TK-VTK N EX VG GIA N 68.8% 62% 7.67x5.77x3.97 $10,572ps wire
Ratio 1.33:1

Emerald 1.78 G VS1 TK N EX VG VG GIA N 69.6% 64% 8.04x5.79x4.03 $11,990ps wire
Ratio 1.39:1
Comment Canadian Product

Emerald 1.86 G VS1 M-TK N VG VG GIA N 66.2% 59% 8.24x6.01x3.98 $12,849ps wire
Ratio 1.37:1

Emerald 1.70 F VS1 TK-VTK N EX VG GIA N 69.7% 62% 7.59x5.81x4.05 $12,159ps wire
Ratio 1.31:1

Emerald 1.70 F VS1 STK-TK N EX VG GIA N 68.3% 62% 7.78x5.77x3.94 $12,159ps wire
Ratio 1.35:1

jac233 · Jan 20, 2010

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1220117.asp

Here is one with a pic. Any feedback?

Lorelei · Jan 21, 2010

Date: 1/20/2010 10:50:12 PM
Author: jac233
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1220117.asp

Here is one with a pic. Any feedback?

Lets have a look for you....

Its a tough one to call for me, if you could request an ASET image and the crown height, that would tell us more.

jac233 · Jan 26, 2010

Here are the latest updates. I''m going to have 1 of these sent in to WF for ASET images but need some help narrowing down. I like a ratio bet 1.3-1.4 which doesn''t narrow any of these. Any other help on which one to bring in to acquire the images? First % is depth then table.

Emerald 1.81 G VS1 STK-XTK N EX VG GIA N 68.1% 63% 7.75x6.01x4.09 $12,504
Ratio 1.29:1

Emerald 1.96 F VS2 STK-TK N EX VG GIA N 67.6% 60% 8.10x6.20x4.19 $13,807
Ratio 1.31:1

Emerald 1.90 F VS2 TK N EX VG VG GIA N 68.5% 64% 7.91x6.00x4.11 $13,718
Ratio 1.32:1

Emerald 1.80 G VS2 TK-VTK N EX VG GIA N 67.6% 63% 7.93x5.99x4.05 $12,327
Ratio 1.32:1

Lorelei · Jan 27, 2010

Date: 1/26/2010 10:45:06 PM
Author: jac233
Here are the latest updates. I'm going to have 1 of these sent in to WF for ASET images but need some help narrowing down. I like a ratio bet 1.3-1.4 which doesn't narrow any of these. Any other help on which one to bring in to acquire the images? First % is depth then table.

Emerald 1.81 G VS1 STK-XTK N EX VG GIA N 68.1% 63% 7.75x6.01x4.09 $12,504
Ratio 1.29:1

Emerald 1.96 F VS2 STK-TK N EX VG GIA N 67.6% 60% 8.10x6.20x4.19 $13,807
Ratio 1.31:1

Emerald 1.90 F VS2 TK N EX VG VG GIA N 68.5% 64% 7.91x6.00x4.11 $13,718
Ratio 1.32:1

Emerald 1.80 G VS2 TK-VTK N EX VG GIA N 67.6% 63% 7.93x5.99x4.05 $12,327
Ratio 1.32:1

Hi Jac

This is really difficult because there just isn't enough info to pick one out of the basic proportions. I have seen EC's with what look like really promising proportions be absolute horrors and ones with mediocre numbers be stunning....I would ask WF's advice to see if they can get more info on these before you start spending out on shipping fees.

Do you have the crown heights available for any of these? That might help narrow things down.

jac233 · Jan 27, 2010

Date: 1/27/2010 5:50:26 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 1/26/2010 10:45:06 PM

Author: jac233

Here are the latest updates. I''m going to have 1 of these sent in to WF for ASET images but need some help narrowing down. I like a ratio bet 1.3-1.4 which doesn''t narrow any of these. Any other help on which one to bring in to acquire the images? First % is depth then table.

Emerald 1.81 G VS1 STK-XTK N EX VG GIA N 68.1% 63% 7.75x6.01x4.09 $12,504

Ratio 1.29:1

Emerald 1.96 F VS2 STK-TK N EX VG GIA N 67.6% 60% 8.10x6.20x4.19 $13,807

Ratio 1.31:1

Emerald 1.90 F VS2 TK N EX VG VG GIA N 68.5% 64% 7.91x6.00x4.11 $13,718

Ratio 1.32:1

Emerald 1.80 G VS2 TK-VTK N EX VG GIA N 67.6% 63% 7.93x5.99x4.05 $12,327

Ratio 1.32:1

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Hi Jac

This is really difficult because there just isn''t enough info to pick one out of the basic proportions. I have seen EC''s with what look like really promising proportions be absolute horrors and ones with mediocre numbers be stunning....I would ask WF''s advice to see if they can get more info on these before you start spending out on shipping fees.

Do you have the crown heights available for any of these? That might help narrow things down.

Thanks...they didn''t have that information available; I called for that additional info and they did not have access to the info.

I went ahead and picked the 1.96ct and 1.81 to have them bring them in for images. I should have the images Friday and I will post them for feedback. I didn''t want to pay for the shipping but I figured I better get 2 to at least compare and then go from there. I guess the images will tell more of the story. If there is anything I''m missing here, please let me know.