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Just saw this in the on-line version of "The New York Times". As I have said in other threads, with so many people having children outside of wedlock, it is bizarre to try to hold anyone (such as Prince Charles and Camilla Perker-Bowles!) to Victorian standards on remarriage!

Here are some excerpts.

"Only a few years ago, women planning simultaneously for a wedding and a due date would beg designers and bridal stores for dresses that would camouflage their growing bellies and - if they told anyone at all - would insist on silence. These days, however, brides are not only not hiding their pregnancies, but they are showing them off, celebrating the upcoming birth in vows and toasts, wearing gowns that flatter their bump, and, in short, refusing to give up any elements of a traditional wedding just because there is a baby visibly on the way.

Some bridal gown manufacturers are rushing out maternity designs and officiants are blessing more and more unborn children.

'It is a growing trend,' said the Rev. Christopher Tuttle, a nondenominational minister who presides over the National Association of Wedding Officiants - with about 200 members.'

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The Rev. Scott Carpenter, a Unity pastor who presides over another national group of officiants, the National Association of Wedding Ministers, said that eight years ago he never had a bride openly announce her pregnancy, but now those brides account for about 20 percent of the weddings he performs.

At a time when pregnancies are obsessively chronicled and celebrated in celebrity and fashion magazines, it is perhaps not surprising that they are being showcased even as women walk down the aisle. But there are larger cultural factors at work as well: women are getting married older, and many are living with their husbands-to-be for years before exchanging vows.

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The timing of baby and wedding is not always coincidental. Even though increasing numbers of heterosexual couples live together without marrying, Americans still lean toward marriage once a baby comes because people think it will provide greater security for the child.

But if pregnancies have often led to marriage, they have not always paved the way for full-blown weddings if the bride was far along.

With today's pregnant brides, Ms. Roney said, 'It's the flaunting of it where things are taking a turn. We're talking about seven months pregnant.'

Or eight. Laura Taylor, 21, of Terre Haute, Ind., said her only concern about her Feb. 12 wedding was that she was cutting it so close to her March due date that she feared she might have the baby before the husband.

Ms. Taylor, who until recently worked as a cashier in a tanning salon, said she had been engaged for more than three years and, upon learning she was pregnant, debated for a week and a half whether to have a big wedding. She decided on 'this huge blowout,' including a Baptist church ceremony and a reception for 125 guests.

'I just decided, what the heck,' she said.
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'I thought about an ivory dress and my mom was, no, you're getting white. It's 2005.'"

Here Comes the Mother-to-Be

Deborah
 
wow, the babtist church has come a long way......and so have women.

peace, movie zombie
 
I cannot be the only person here that this really bugs. What happened to finding out you were pregnant, then just going on and getting married and moving on? I have discussed this with many friends and co workers in, all of us in our 20's-50's, mostly engineers and college educated, and I find almost no one thinking this is the way to do it. Not everyone finds this Okay. I think it's bizarre to not hold someone to some standards. Sorry, just my two cents, but I know I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Not by a long shot. I just can't imagine making a show out of it all. I have never been to a wedding where the bride was more than 3 months pregnant (and only one of those) and the few family and friends who became pregnant got married right away or not at all. I think you'll find the actual numbers are very low. And of course, it was in the New York Times which is an extremely liberal newspaper. FYI, my opinion is about the story.
 
I don''t see anything wrong with it.. its no different that what most of my friends have done and waited til after the baby was born and then had the baby be the flowergirl! Its still flaunting it that you had a baby before you got married. Its just a matter of how long you wait for the wedding after the baby! (or before the baby).
 
My first thought when I read this was big deal. Most of my friends in England bought houses or had kids before getting married and one of them was six months pregnant when she walked down the aisle. I find it odd that, in America, moral standards of the 1950s still hold sway.
 
You could look at this and say, "at least they are getting married."
 
I''m torn on this. On the one hand, I''m very glad that women who have sex and/or get pregnant before marriage are no longer considered sluts or forced to hide in shame.

On the other hand, I can hear my deceased Catholic mother''s voice in my head saying "tacky!"
 
what amazes me is that this wedding was happening in a church that i consider to be rather strict and restrictive! the bride had the good sense to want to wear an off white color....BUT IT WAS HER MOTHER THAN INSISTED ON THE WHITE WEDDING DRESS! perhaps these weddings happen as much for the mother as for the bride?!

yes, we americans are a strange lot. when i was last in australia to attend a wedding [no, the bride was not nor is she even now pregnant], went to some friends of my husband''s family. there the family was discussing the upcoming wedding of their daughter. said daughter was pregnant with baby #2 from the same father. this is a very church oriented and life revolves around church family. i must admit that it did seem strange to me.

peace, movie zombie
 
Date: 3/13/2005 8:29:29 AM
Author: Momoftwo
And of course, it was in the New York Times which is an extremely liberal newspaper.

I do not recall seeing an endorsement of the practice in the paper; it was merely reported there, as were the tsunami and the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. And the "liberalism" of "The New York Times" is a matter of opinion. I find it to be a very *MAINSTREAM* newspaper which rarely dares to report some of the news that the liberal media, e.g. "The Nation", does. Of course, if you would like to shoot the messenger, be my guest.

Deborah
 
Date: 3/13/2005 2
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Date: 3/13/2005 8:29:29 AM
Author: Momoftwo
And of course, it was in the New York Times which is an extremely liberal newspaper.

Of course, if you would like to shoot the messenger, be my guest.

Deborah
Captain Obvious here to say, "MEOW".
 
Date: 3/13/2005 2:14:14 PM
Author: Spartan

Captain Obvious here to say, ''MEOW''.

Too bad you don''t like women.

Deborah
 
You''re quite presumptuous...I AM a woman.
 
Date: 3/13/2005 8:29:29 AM
Author: Momoftwo
I cannot be the only person here that this really bugs. What happened to finding out you were pregnant, then just going on and getting married and moving on? I have discussed this with many friends and co workers in, all of us in our 20''s-50''s, mostly engineers and college educated, and I find almost no one thinking this is the way to do it. Not everyone finds this Okay. I think it''s bizarre to not hold someone to some standards. Sorry, just my two cents, but I know I''m not the only one who thinks this way. Not by a long shot. I just can''t imagine making a show out of it all. I have never been to a wedding where the bride was more than 3 months pregnant (and only one of those) and the few family and friends who became pregnant got married right away or not at all. I think you''ll find the actual numbers are very low. And of course, it was in the New York Times which is an extremely liberal newspaper. FYI, my opinion is about the story.

On one hand I agree with you strongly but on the other I try not to be judgmental and if it doesnt affect me its none of my business.
For me the right thing to do is not to have that problem in the first place.
I have enough problem living up to my own standards without worrying about what everyone else is doing.

Your right too about the New York Times they are so far left they cant even see the yellow line.
 
New York Times to the left?!

lol.

and the bridal industry has found another new market.


peace, movie zombie
 
Date: 3/13/2005 8:29:29 AM
Author: Momoftwo
I think it''s bizarre to not hold someone to some standards. Sorry, just my two cents, but I know I''m not the only one who thinks this way. Not by a long shot.
you know, i have no doubt that you''re not the only one that thinks this way. but the great thing about the good ol'' USA, is that you cannot force YOUR STANDARDS on someone else!!! to each his/her own. who am i to say how someone else should live his/her life?
 
Date: 3/13/2005 2:20:36 PM
Author: Spartan
You''re quite presumptuous...I AM a woman.

Have you never heard of self-hatred? What''s with "meow" if you are not a misogynist? Your sex is immaterial. Your comment is material.
 
I agree with 'to each their own'.....I don't believe people need to get married nowadays if it's not important to them. Have kids...fine. Don't have kids..fine. Get married...fine. Don't get married..fine.

I have friends who had 2 kids then secretly got married after 10 years of being together. Only a handful of people even know they tied the knot. It just wasn't important to them until they had kids and probably wanted things to be legal in case one of them passed on or something happened.

I personally don't think that anyone is 'flaunting' what is going on, they are just being honest about the situation. Better than having a shotgun wedding because someone got pregnant and then trying to pretend that the child was conceived on the honeymoon or other things that used to happen in the good ole stifling days.

Marriage to me is about finding the right person, not a surprise pregnancy. Women who may find themselves in that situation and then consciously decide to not marry the father and potentially raise the child on their own knowing what that entails, in my opinion are to be commended for not making the additional mistake of marrying a guy 'just because' he is the father of the child.

But hey..again...people will do what suits them and their situation, and that is what is most important. If someone is pregnant and getting married, why shouldn't they have a big fancy wedding if that is what they want? It's their wedding and their life.

My two cents!
 
Not sure how i feel about this but while recently looking for a wedding dress of my own, i came across some maternity wedding dresses and thought it strange. I wish i could remember what site it was now, but if you search google, you get plenty!
 
Date: 3/13/2005 8:29:29 AM
Author: Momoftwo

I cannot be the only person here that this really bugs. What happened to finding out you were pregnant, then just going on and getting married and moving on?
I'm sure you're not. But is it the premarital sex and ensuing pregnancy that you find disturbing, or the fact that people are publicly celebrating the impending arrival as part of the marraige ceremony?



I have discussed this with many friends and co workers in, all of us in our 20's-50's, mostly engineers and college educated, and I find almost no one thinking this is the way to do it.
I would hazard a guess that rare few people set out to get married and get pregnant in reverse order. But once faced with the situation, what's wrong with expressing their joy about it? Most people know a shotgun wedding when they're at one anyway. Why pretend otherwise?



I think it's bizarre to not hold someone to some standards.
Whose standards? And who will do the holding-to?



I just can't imagine making a show out of it all.
Just as there are those (although I can't imagine them) who think it's inappropriate/tacky to be studying/enjoying/obsessing about/wearnig/upgrading diamonds the way we all do here.



I have never been to a wedding where the bride was more than 3 months pregnant (and only one of those) and the few family and friends who became pregnant got married right away or not at all. I think you'll find the actual numbers are very low.
We'll find the numbers are very low because it's outside of your anecdotal experience? If there is now a market for maternity wedding gowns, economies being the way they are, the numbers can't be that low.


If I were the product of such a union, I would like to know that my arrival was something that my family celebrated, not felt shame about and tried to hide.

Live and let live.
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Cheers,
LizzyD
 
lizzyd, i really like the concept of the marriage ceremony also being a celebration of the soon to be new addition to the family.

i seem to remember reading that the puritans here in america had a very interesting high rate of marriages in which the baby was born quite a few months ''early''. turns out this was directly attributable to being engaged and the cold weather practice of '' bundling'' to keep warm: bundling was ok if you were engaged. therefore, it was also acceptable that the babies produced in these bundling sessions were also ''ok''. these people were acceptable members of the group. this happened so often that it was not considered outside the norm.

peace, movie zombie
 
Date: 3/13/2005 6
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Date: 3/13/2005 2:20:36 PM
Author: Spartan
You''re quite presumptuous...I AM a woman.

Have you never heard of self-hatred? What''s with ''meow'' if you are not a misogynist? Your sex is immaterial. Your comment is material.

Wow, it''s as if you can see into my very soul
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Hey Movie Zombie,

Yes, in the closets and attics of some of the old houses in my home town you can still find bundling boards. A bundling board was a piece of wood that was supposed to seperate the engaged couple in their tightly bundled blanket burrito. Judging by the number of babies produced, those boards must have been really easy to nudge out of the way somehow?
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There are lots of them around here because I live in former Puritan country. In fact, noticing your siggy line, I''m about two miles from Waldo''s house
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. With the passage of time we''ve somehow gone from being really practical about things biological, to really uptight. WTH?
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Cheers,
LizzyD
 
I can''t say much about this because my parents had a shotgun wedding during spring break of their senior year and 31 years later they''re still married. It wasn''t a secret but she surely didn''t "show" off her belly with a gown.

I wish I would have had a shotgun wedding, but 2 years and 4 IVF''s later we''re finally doing it the "right way" LMAO.
 
I see nothing wrong with having maternity wedding gowns...I think it is much preferrable to rushing a shotgun wedding as if there was shame to be found in the impending birth.

A wedding is a celebration of the love two people have for one another- shame should never be a part of that celebration. Embrace what is, and celebrate. Whether that means a virgin bride, or one that is 8 months pregnant..celebrate the fact that two people found the one they love.

And quit judging. Leads to nothing but spiteful talk and small spirits.
 
amen, jenwill, amen! the way i see it, an idle mind begets mean spiritedness.

many moons ago one of my cousins ''had to get married''. and even though he ''did the right thing'' according to the family and had that shotgun wedding, the resulting baby was treated really badly by some of the family, including my grandmother, she who had been married to a southern baptist minister and was supposed to follow the teachings of jesus. i was and still am horrified when this happens. the child did not ask to be born and to treat it meanly because of the circumstances of its conception and birth makes me see
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imho, marriage is a contract with society [you''ve gotta have that piece of paper from the local government for it to be legal] and the wedding ceremony is the trimmings. reading this thread has taken me from being accepting of such marriages but finding it slightly weird, to really thinking that the celebration not only can be but should be expanded to celebrate those family values that we hear about but don''t see practiced.

so a big thank you to you pricescopers out there that have participated in this thread.

peace, movie zombie
 
I think that in many of the situations where the pregnancy is "flaunted," the couple has been together for a long time, lives together, already thinks of themselves as life partners, but are probably progressive types who just never saw a real reason to get married until they had a baby on the way.

I don''t think many of these "maternity wedding dress" or cases where the baby is discussed in the ceremony are cases where a casual couple got pregnant by complete accident and decides they ''have to'' get married to rectify the situation. Those are probably cases where it''s done quickly and in a low key manner, and I would too if I were just marrying someone because of an accidental pregnancy. For me, there''s no shame in having sex before marriage, and so no shame in getting pregnant before marriage, and so no shame in being visibly pregnant at your wedding. There is shame however in marrying someone for the wrong reasons, and I wouldn''t want to "flaunt" that - not the pregnancy, but that the pregnancy was the only reason for the marriage.

All of these ideas about it being "tacky" and whatever just stem from prohibition / taboo against pre marital sex. So, unless you did or are saving yourself for marriage, I don''t think anyone has any room to call this tacky. The same thing could have happened to anyone who had sex before marriage! I think it''s tacky to care so much about being judged by society that you hide or feel ashamed of something that should be joyous and exciting.

BTW, if this were me I''d probably just wait until after the baby was born, both so that I wouldn''t have to wear a maternity dress, and so the baby could even be there to take part in the event!
 
Date: 3/14/2005 5:54:53 PM
Author: movie zombie

many moons ago one of my cousins ''had to get married''. and even though he ''did the right thing'' according to the family and had that shotgun wedding, the resulting baby was treated really badly by some of the family

The most important thing is that the PARENTS treat the baby well. Too often the shotgun weddings of years past forced people who were unready for parenthood into becoming parents, to the detriment of the children.

When I first read what you wrote above, I misread it. I read it to mean that the baby''s PARENTS had mistreated him. That is because I was thinking of a friend of mine who recently died of alcoholism. I hadn''t seen her in many years, but we were neighbors growing up and her parents still live near my parents. Her parents are Catholic. They "had" to get married and she was born when her mother was 17. Her mother was strict but not loving. My friend was looking for love anywhere she could find it and she was wild. She started having sex at 13. When she was a teenager her mother beat her on the front steps with a vacuum cleaner cord and cut off all her hair. Later I heard she was an alcoholic and a drug addict. She died very young.

I think one should have to get a license to have a baby! Either that or a certificate of support from a certain number of friends and family pledging to support you in your efforts to parent a child! But this is way off topic now!
 
I had never seen a website that featured gowns for pregnant brides, but I decided to take the lead of some of you who had posted about them and take a look. I had not really liked the idea of a wedding gown on a very pregnant bride, but I have to say that seeing some of these gowns made me change my mind. The beauty and *innocence* of these (supposedly) pregnant young women took my breath away. I think it is wonderful to be a young mother, and these "brides" looked as if they could be modern-day madonnas. What is more beautiful than a beautiful young mother?

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This is just one of the pretty "pregnant brides" featured on the website above. Yes, the website exists to *sell* gowns!

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quite lovely, reminds me a bit of ''maid marian'' of robinhood fame.

peace, movie zombie
 
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