How is this teacher not fired???

[TC1987]

Today's kids are not the kids of 20 years ago, just sayin'. Too many of today's parents let their kids run amok, and don't impress upon the kid the need to sit down and shut up and not be disruptive in a classroom. I'd like to see the school take that kid's history into consideration. Maybe he's one of those that chronically is hostile to authority and disruptive to the rest and should be tossed out. The door swings both ways.

Did you actually watch the video????
The boy walks out of the bathroom and the teacher immediately attacks him. It doesn't even appear as though he says anything to her - he looks scared/intimidated while she throws him around a while. I don't care what his "history" might be - it's entirely irrelevant. You can't throw around a 6 year-old boy. Period. There is nothing in his history that would justify her behavior. If a child has behavioral problems in school, then there are a number of ways that they can be dealt with, but being bullied and physically assaulted by a teacher is not an acceptable means of disciplinary action. I agree that today's youth seem to suffer from a lack of discipline (which manifests into all sorts of issues), but throwing around a small child is not the answer, especially in an educational setting.

Yes, I did watch it. It looks like there is an edit-out between when the kid went into the rr and when the teacher came around the corner, apparently looking for him. How long? Was the kid supposed to go straight there and straight back, and didn't, making the teacher have to come after him?

There is no way to tell if the kid said anything to the teacher, like perhaps "eff you." Did he mouth off to here. Just how much sh do today's parents expect teachers to put up with. Parenting is the parents' job. Kids should be well-trained and well-mannered so that all the teachers have to teach is the actual schoolwork. Manners, etiquette, honesty, responsibility: Kid should already be trained.

But there a lots of kids out there who have no respect for teachers, and no respect for authority. Perhaps he is just one of those consistently annoying and infuriating kids who thinks he is so special that the rules don't apply to him I saw another video of him and his parents. He doesn't appear to be injured or traumatized. I knew a lot of kids whose parents failed to parent, and the kids were mouthy holy terrors in school and later washouts and failures in life. Until both sides of the story are heard, I can't 100% take the kid's side. I got paddlings and I got slapped as a kid. I didn't have the kind of parents who would put up with crap and disrespect, and they would never let kids walk all over them.

 

[SB621]

Today's kids are not the kids of 20 years ago, just sayin'. Too many of today's parents let their kids run amok, and don't impress upon the kid the need to sit down and shut up and not be disruptive in a classroom. I'd like to see the school take that kid's history into consideration. Maybe he's one of those that chronically is hostile to authority and disruptive to the rest and should be tossed out. The door swings both ways.

Did you actually watch the video????
The boy walks out of the bathroom and the teacher immediately attacks him. It doesn't even appear as though he says anything to her - he looks scared/intimidated while she throws him around a while. I don't care what his "history" might be - it's entirely irrelevant. You can't throw around a 6 year-old boy. Period. There is nothing in his history that would justify her behavior. If a child has behavioral problems in school, then there are a number of ways that they can be dealt with, but being bullied and physically assaulted by a teacher is not an acceptable means of disciplinary action. I agree that today's youth seem to suffer from a lack of discipline (which manifests into all sorts of issues), but throwing around a small child is not the answer, especially in an educational setting.

Yes, I did watch it. It looks like there is an edit-out between when the kid went into the rr and when the teacher came around the corner, apparently looking for him. How long? Was the kid supposed to go straight there and straight back, and didn't, making the teacher have to come after him?

There is no way to tell if the kid said anything to the teacher, like perhaps "eff you." Did he mouth off to here. Just how much sh do today's parents expect teachers to put up with. Parenting is the parents' job. Kids should be well-trained and well-mannered so that all the teachers have to teach is the actual schoolwork. Manners, etiquette, honesty, responsibility: Kid should already be trained.

But there a lots of kids out there who have no respect for teachers, and no respect for authority. Perhaps he is just one of those consistently annoying and infuriating kids who thinks he is so special that the rules don't apply to him I saw another video of him and his parents. He doesn't appear to be injured or traumatized. I knew a lot of kids whose parents failed to parent, and the kids were mouthy holy terrors in school and later washouts and failures in life. Until both sides of the story are heard, I can't 100% take the kid's side. I got paddlings and I got slapped as a kid. I didn't have the kind of parents who would put up with crap and disrespect, and they would never let kids walk all over them.

I personally don't care if the kid told the teacher to f8ck off or worse. There is NO excuse to lay your hand on a child and yes even when they are being mouthy there is still a better way to handle things, where the parents still ends up getting respect. What you are talking about is respect through fear...how is that healthy? Video makes me wonder what else she has done....or would do if she wasn't caught.

 

[ksinger]

Today's kids are not the kids of 20 years ago, just sayin'. Too many of today's parents let their kids run amok, and don't impress upon the kid the need to sit down and shut up and not be disruptive in a classroom. I'd like to see the school take that kid's history into consideration. Maybe he's one of those that chronically is hostile to authority and disruptive to the rest and should be tossed out. The door swings both ways.

Did you actually watch the video????
The boy walks out of the bathroom and the teacher immediately attacks him. It doesn't even appear as though he says anything to her - he looks scared/intimidated while she throws him around a while. I don't care what his "history" might be - it's entirely irrelevant. You can't throw around a 6 year-old boy. Period. There is nothing in his history that would justify her behavior. If a child has behavioral problems in school, then there are a number of ways that they can be dealt with, but being bullied and physically assaulted by a teacher is not an acceptable means of disciplinary action. I agree that today's youth seem to suffer from a lack of discipline (which manifests into all sorts of issues), but throwing around a small child is not the answer, especially in an educational setting.

Yes, I did watch it. It looks like there is an edit-out between when the kid went into the rr and when the teacher came around the corner, apparently looking for him. How long? Was the kid supposed to go straight there and straight back, and didn't, making the teacher have to come after him?

There is no way to tell if the kid said anything to the teacher, like perhaps "eff you." Did he mouth off to here. Just how much sh do today's parents expect teachers to put up with. Parenting is the parents' job. Kids should be well-trained and well-mannered so that all the teachers have to teach is the actual schoolwork. Manners, etiquette, honesty, responsibility: Kid should already be trained.

But there a lots of kids out there who have no respect for teachers, and no respect for authority. Perhaps he is just one of those consistently annoying and infuriating kids who thinks he is so special that the rules don't apply to him I saw another video of him and his parents. He doesn't appear to be injured or traumatized. I knew a lot of kids whose parents failed to parent, and the kids were mouthy holy terrors in school and later washouts and failures in life. Until both sides of the story are heard, I can't 100% take the kid's side. I got paddlings and I got slapped as a kid. I didn't have the kind of parents who would put up with crap and disrespect, and they would never let kids walk all over them.

I personally don't care if the kid told the teacher to f8ck off or worse. There is NO excuse to lay your hand on a child and yes even when they are being mouthy there is still a better way to handle things, where the parents still ends up getting respect. What you are talking about is respect through fear...how is that healthy? Video makes me wonder what else she has done....or would do if she wasn't caught.

The problems with the use of corporal punishment in the schools are legion. Many people would say it never works, and my husband is unaware of any studies that say it does. He would never use it (his district does not allow it anyway) and finds it lazy and counterproductive. His kids see violence enough at home, applying it at school is not likely to get the results the beat-it-out-of-them crowd thinks it will. He sees it as a emotionally-satisfying (to a certain group anyway) supposedly simple fix to a very complex problem that deserves a nuanced response. The problem of course, is where to find the time for such a response. If he has the time he does so, otherwise, a true discipline problem has to be booted from his class, and doing that is more of less difficult depending on admin support. Of course he is high school, and so can't speak to what the options are when you can't actually boot Really Little Johnny to the curb. Maybe some of our elementary teachers can hold forth on how exactly, real discipline problems are handled well in the lower grades?

He trotted out that the fact that this teacher is at the point that she is, likely means something in that school is badly broken. No oversight or support from admin perhaps? Class sizes too big? Any number of things could be amiss, leading to a pressure-cooker situation. Not excusing the teacher, but it would help to know the conditions in that school. The public schools ARE under siege in this country after all.

 

[momhappy]

Today's kids are not the kids of 20 years ago, just sayin'. Too many of today's parents let their kids run amok, and don't impress upon the kid the need to sit down and shut up and not be disruptive in a classroom. I'd like to see the school take that kid's history into consideration. Maybe he's one of those that chronically is hostile to authority and disruptive to the rest and should be tossed out. The door swings both ways.

Did you actually watch the video????
The boy walks out of the bathroom and the teacher immediately attacks him. It doesn't even appear as though he says anything to her - he looks scared/intimidated while she throws him around a while. I don't care what his "history" might be - it's entirely irrelevant. You can't throw around a 6 year-old boy. Period. There is nothing in his history that would justify her behavior. If a child has behavioral problems in school, then there are a number of ways that they can be dealt with, but being bullied and physically assaulted by a teacher is not an acceptable means of disciplinary action. I agree that today's youth seem to suffer from a lack of discipline (which manifests into all sorts of issues), but throwing around a small child is not the answer, especially in an educational setting.

Yes, I did watch it. It looks like there is an edit-out between when the kid went into the rr and when the teacher came around the corner, apparently looking for him. How long? Was the kid supposed to go straight there and straight back, and didn't, making the teacher have to come after him?

There is no way to tell if the kid said anything to the teacher, like perhaps "eff you." Did he mouth off to here. Just how much sh do today's parents expect teachers to put up with. Parenting is the parents' job. Kids should be well-trained and well-mannered so that all the teachers have to teach is the actual schoolwork. Manners, etiquette, honesty, responsibility: Kid should already be trained.

But there a lots of kids out there who have no respect for teachers, and no respect for authority. Perhaps he is just one of those consistently annoying and infuriating kids who thinks he is so special that the rules don't apply to him I saw another video of him and his parents. He doesn't appear to be injured or traumatized. I knew a lot of kids whose parents failed to parent, and the kids were mouthy holy terrors in school and later washouts and failures in life. Until both sides of the story are heard, I can't 100% take the kid's side. I got paddlings and I got slapped as a kid. I didn't have the kind of parents who would put up with crap and disrespect, and they would never let kids walk all over them.

Again, none of what you said matters to me (in terms of the actions on the video) and I find it disturbing that anyone would try to justify the actions seen in the video. Are you a parent? I'm curious because if you do have children of your own, I'm wondering if you'd find it acceptable if your child's teacher used physical violence as a means of discipline?
Even if the boy told the teacher to eff off, the teacher physically assaulting him is still not an appropriate response. As a former educator myself, I've personally had to deal with children with SEVERE behavioral issues. Never in a million years would it have been acceptable for me to have fought back physically. A professional educator should not be physically assaulting a student under any circumstances.
I suppose it's possible that the video has been edited (although, it doesn't appear to have been in my opinion) and it doesn't look to me like she's out looking for him (it looks more like she's walking through the halls and he happens to run into her). They didn't even say whether or not she was his teacher (he's 6, which could indicate that he's a first-grader & not a kindergartner and she is a kindergarten teacher), so how would she know to come looking for him if there is a chance that it wasn't even his teacher? Again, though, none of that would matter to me.
Even if there's a kid with severe behavioral issues (or "untrained" as you call it), it's not okay for an adult to throw around a child - its illegal. She is a giant woman and there's no reason why she shold be tossing him around. It's bullying plain and simple. It's shocking to me that you think that this could be okay if the boy is "consistently annoying and infuriating" I guess that's how these sorts of incidents happen - you have an unstable adult who is just incredibly annoyed with a child and they respond by physically overpowering the child because the small child is not physically capable of defending themselves. Pretty pathetic and if that's the case, that adult probably should't work with children and/or have their own….
I am well aware of the fact that there re two sides to every story and I'm not necessarily 100% on the kid's side. However, this isn't about taking sides - it's about what types of discipline are acceptable in the public school system. Difficult children can be suspended or even expelled, but they shouldn't be assaulted by a teacher.

 

[purplesparklies]

I am shocked and horrified that anyone would think this teacher's actions in this video are justified to any degree. I also am a former teacher. I have worked with all types of children including those with behavior disorders. As a very young teacher, I was trained to deflect chairs and taught how to get a child to release my hair from their hand. I have been spit on, grabbed and have been called choice names. I have had to restrain a child who was a danger to herself. I have also worked with mainstream children who are quite gifted. Never, ever, ever would I grab any child as this woman did. Teachers receive training as to how to deal with children who are challenging. They are trained to de-escalate a situation. They do not add fuel to the fire, so to speak.

If this child is particularly challenging and was behaving completely inappropriately, which it is not safe to just assume, then there are proper procedures in place for this teacher. She could have escorted him to the office so administration could have made decisions as to appropriate consequences. Phone calls to parents or possible expulsion. If a child is "not trained", that is completely, 100% the responsibility of the parent. That is a a failure on the part of the parent, not a failure on the part of a child.

If a puppy or a kitten snaps at you while playing, it would not be appropriate to grab them up and, kick them would it? No. You scold them. A little negative tone, perhaps. Maybe playtime is over for awhile. You don't just throw them across the room and declare them horrible.

Also, if a child behaves erratically or aggressively, it is likely because they have not been taught or they have challenges that are contributing to the issue. The teacher does not have the same excuse. She is an adult who has received extensive training. She has zero excuse.

If I walk down the street and an adult curses at me, I do not have the right to react in a physical manner. If I do, I am arrested for assault. Why should the required behavior be less when dealing with a child? Teacher or not, while I may have no control over the behavior of a child, I do have full control over my own behavior.

 

[CJ2008]

I don't have children.

I don't even particularly like children. For the most part, I find them annoying after a while. Even with my own niece, who I adore, after a while I want her to go home.

But there is nothing - nothing that would even begin to justify a teacher putting her hands on a kid. No matter what, the teacher is in a position of authority - so she is violating more than just a physical boundary. This would apply to a teacher laying her hands on an adult and much more laying her hands on a child, who could not defend himself, just like an animal. I don't care WHAT the kid did or said. If you work with children or even with other adults in a professional setting or any other setting and you're at the point that you cannot handle the stress - even if by all accounts the adults and kids are idiots and drive you crazy - you need to take a break or get help, either for yourself, or to handle the problems. Under absoluletly no circumcanstes is it OK to lay your hands on another person, much less a child.

 

[momhappy]

I am shocked and horrified that anyone would think this teacher's actions in this video are justified to any degree. I also am a former teacher. I have worked with all types of children including those with behavior disorders. As a very young teacher, I was trained to deflect chairs and taught how to get a child to release my hair from their hand. I have been spit on, grabbed and have been called choice names. I have had to restrain a child who was a danger to herself. I have also worked with mainstream children who are quite gifted. Never, ever, ever would I grab any child as this woman did. Teachers receive training as to how to deal with children who are challenging. They are trained to de-escalate a situation. They do not add fuel to the fire, so to speak.

If this child is particularly challenging and was behaving completely inappropriately, which it is not safe to just assume, then there are proper procedures in place for this teacher. She could have escorted him to the office so administration could have made decisions as to appropriate consequences. Phone calls to parents or possible expulsion. If a child is "not trained", that is completely, 100% the responsibility of the parent. That is a a failure on the part of the parent, not a failure on the part of a child.

If a puppy or a kitten snaps at you while playing, it would not be appropriate to grab them up and, kick them would it? No. You scold them. A little negative tone, perhaps. Maybe playtime is over for awhile. You don't just throw them across the room and declare them horrible.

Also, if a child behaves erratically or aggressively, it is likely because they have not been taught or they have challenges that are contributing to the issue. The teacher does not have the same excuse. She is an adult who has received extensive training. She has zero excuse.

If I walk down the street and an adult curses at me, I do not have the right to react in a physical manner. If I do, I am arrested for assault. Why should the required behavior be less when dealing with a child? Teacher or not, while I may have no control over the behavior of a child, I do have full control over my own behavior.

I agree - I have been punched, kicked, sworn at, etc. by children and I have even had to physically restrain a child from hurting the both of us (and by a physical restraint, I mean that I sat down on the floor with my legs crossed, sat the child in my lap with their back facing me/ arms down, and held them - almost as if I was hugging the child, but not allowing their arms to get free to return the hug). Yes, educators have training for this sort of thing, so it's not like you make it up as you go. I am disgusted by the fact that anyone would imply that a child would deserve to be treated in the way that was demonstrated in the video.