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Date: 6/29/2008 5:02:21 PM
Author: Pandora II
Date: 6/29/2008 4:45:11 PM

Author: Sapphire_Cutie

surfgirl: 1st off I have never once said that I would no longer interact with So''s mother NOR have I said that I would be mean twords her or anything like that. I have been NOTHING but nice to that woman. And even though all of this JUST took place yesterday...I have already spoke with So and decided that I was going to speak with my FMIL and try to sort all this out. 2nd off please dont ASSUME that you know what my SO''s parents are thinking when you have no idea. And although my SO''s mother SAID that she AND her husband wanted us to wait... SHE LIED! My SO spoke with his father and he said NOTHING about it! FMIL was trying to be manipulative. SO''s dad loves me and just wants us to be happy! You are just taking what YOU personally see as odd or a wierd thing and making THAT the problem here and its not...and 3rd... my SO BOUGHT a ring for me thank you very much and I am just waiting on the proposal which is up to HIM to do WHEN HE WANTS... and 4th everyone does things differantly and again your assuming things. Like the whole budget thing. There are certain people on his side of the family that would have to be invited etc. And certain things that SO wants for our wedding. So since there must be such things he needs the list of family members so that we can figure out what all this is going to run us so that we could look at our finances and decided WEITHER we could afford to have the wedding this upcomming year OR next year. Soooo we are NOT doing it ass backward and EVEN if YOU think we are...well no offense but that wasnt what this post was about. And not everything has to be done Surfgirls way or anyone elses way besides ours. And lastly it is HARDLY uncommon for people whom have been dating around a yr and a half to get engaged. And although weve only been dating for said time...I have know my SO all through school. And again... my age, my dating time and how I choose to plan MY wedding was NOT what this post was about.

That is rather a rude and agressive post - and quite uncalled for.


SG made it quite clear that she was merely ''suggesting'' what your SO''s mother may be thinking and why.


I would also find it very odd if my son''s gf wanted lists of guests before they had announced an official engagement.

I would have to agree. I would find it strange too. Is there a reason that you''re not engaged yet? (sorry if I''ve missed it above.) I would meet up with her though and try and discuss it with her.

Freke-I do agree with you on that there are certain reasons where it''s sensible to wait to get engaged-we were the exact same. We didn''t get engaged until we could support ourselves fully.
 
Date: 6/29/2008 6:25:28 PM
Author: bee*

Date: 6/29/2008 5:02:21 PM
Author: Pandora II

Date: 6/29/2008 4:45:11 PM

Author: Sapphire_Cutie

surfgirl: 1st off I have never once said that I would no longer interact with So''s mother NOR have I said that I would be mean twords her or anything like that. I have been NOTHING but nice to that woman. And even though all of this JUST took place yesterday...I have already spoke with So and decided that I was going to speak with my FMIL and try to sort all this out. 2nd off please dont ASSUME that you know what my SO''s parents are thinking when you have no idea. And although my SO''s mother SAID that she AND her husband wanted us to wait... SHE LIED! My SO spoke with his father and he said NOTHING about it! FMIL was trying to be manipulative. SO''s dad loves me and just wants us to be happy! You are just taking what YOU personally see as odd or a wierd thing and making THAT the problem here and its not...and 3rd... my SO BOUGHT a ring for me thank you very much and I am just waiting on the proposal which is up to HIM to do WHEN HE WANTS... and 4th everyone does things differantly and again your assuming things. Like the whole budget thing. There are certain people on his side of the family that would have to be invited etc. And certain things that SO wants for our wedding. So since there must be such things he needs the list of family members so that we can figure out what all this is going to run us so that we could look at our finances and decided WEITHER we could afford to have the wedding this upcomming year OR next year. Soooo we are NOT doing it ass backward and EVEN if YOU think we are...well no offense but that wasnt what this post was about. And not everything has to be done Surfgirls way or anyone elses way besides ours. And lastly it is HARDLY uncommon for people whom have been dating around a yr and a half to get engaged. And although weve only been dating for said time...I have know my SO all through school. And again... my age, my dating time and how I choose to plan MY wedding was NOT what this post was about.

That is rather a rude and agressive post - and quite uncalled for.


SG made it quite clear that she was merely ''suggesting'' what your SO''s mother may be thinking and why.


I would also find it very odd if my son''s gf wanted lists of guests before they had announced an official engagement.

I would have to agree. I would find it strange too. Is there a reason that you''re not engaged yet? (sorry if I''ve missed it above.) I would meet up with her though and try and discuss it with her.

Freke-I do agree with you on that there are certain reasons where it''s sensible to wait to get engaged-we were the exact same. We didn''t get engaged until we could support ourselves fully.
bee*: Let me try to clarify again because Im sure you didnt read all the posts. I was not the one who asked for the list. my SO did. He asked his mother for a list of people who should be invited because there are certain people that should be invited and certain things that he would like for our wedding. And basically since we have been doing a lot of renovations etc on the house it would be helpful for us to have our list in order and figure what venue we would most likely like so that w can figure out an approximate price so that we could determain weither or not we could afford to get married next year or if we''d have to wait til 2010. And He has just finished paying for the ring and im just waiting for him to propose when he has planned to do it. He will propose NO later then Dec of this year but Im pretty sure it willl be much sooner then that. So thats why we arent officially engaged yet. He has a plan and a vision and Im just waiting for him to do it. Hope that helped.
 
Date: 6/29/2008 6:03:18 PM
Author: FrekeChild

You know, the above part kind of bothered me. Financial reasons are not a load of bunk in a lot of situations. I understand that it's your opinion, but when two people who are planning on getting married make about $20k a year, and only get by because they don't have to pay rent, insurance and some utilities, yet have saved up enough for a ring (mostly because it isn't expensive in the first place)-I don't think that 'financial reasons' are 'bunk'.


Sure, we could go and get engaged, but what's the point of getting engaged when we're both still in school, can't work full time, and certainly can't save any money for a wedding, or pay for all our bills on our own?


And what about not wanting to go into marriage in debt?



Is that really a load of bunk? Is that really unreasonable?


Just wanted to comment that my fiance and I make 20k a year - we are engaged and pay all our own bills. It can be done if you really want to. Don't get me wrong, it's ok to wait! And honestly, I would have liked to wait a little longer, too. But my fiance scraped and saved to get me the biggest best ring he could, and I love him (and my half carat diamond) for it.

We drive cheap cars and wear old clothes. Yes, I'm still in school and we can't afford a large wedding. We decided that we loved each other and if we waited until we were out of debt to get married, we'd be waiting over a decade!

Where there is a will, there is a way. I definitely respect everyone who wants to wait until they are ready - there is nothing wrong with that at all! All I'm saying is that if you want to commit yourself to someone, you don't need a ring or a wedding reception at all - just enough to buy a marriage license.

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OP - I agree with other posters that until the engagement is 'official', I'd just back off asking your FMIL about a guest list. Hopefully, she will open up to you once she knows that you will be around for a long time.
 
I haven''t read the other posts, so I''m just responding to your original post, Sapphire Cutie. I''m so sorry about your mother-in-law''s comments. I know that it must have been hurtful.

Is this her first child who will be getting married? I remember that my own mother got a little weird when my older brother (her first baby) announced to the family that he was proposing to his girlfriend, and he was thirty years old by that time! Mothers and sons can sometimes have a complicated relationship, in my opinion. You know that saying, "when your daughter marries you gain a son, but when your son marries you lose him" or something to that effect?

I think that for right now, at least, for the sake of future peace and out of respect to your SO, try to give her the benefit of the doubt and give her some time to adjust to the idea of her son getting married. My advice is to take a breather and see maybe if you feel up to inviting her out to lunch or coffee and just having a chat. I think that saying "you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" applies here!
 
SC, I think you are missing the point here - it doesn''t really matter whether or not you asked your FMIL for a wedding guest list or whether her son asked for it - the point is, unless he is telling his parents you are actually engaged, then I would imagine she might think it quite odd. Your FMIL is of another generation and thus, probably is used to an announced engagement before making up lists for a wedding. My comments were basically saying, "this is what your FMIL might be thinking/feeling so why not figure it out now, rather than say screw it, as some other posters suggested..." Life is long, it''s better to get along with your in laws than not. I personally do not care if you are engaged, almost engaged, or married. It''s your life, not mine. But you posted about a serious conflict and I was trying to get you to see that from another perspective - that of your FMIL - you might be able to understand why she''s acting weirdly towards you. That said, nobody can really know because you appear not have talked directly to her about this issue and until you do, it''s just he said/she said, hence the advice to talk to her directly.

I also never said that there needs to be a RING for an engagement - in fact I said quite the contrary. I said clearly that you do not even need a ring to be "engaged", all you need is one person asking the other person to marry them, and the other person accepting. That''s it. No ring is ever required for an engagement. But yeah, asking is required. "Implied" doesn''t count. You either are or you''re not.

And Freke, I''m not saying that there aren''t good reasons to wait to actually get engaged. Finishing schooling, moving closer when in a LDR, medical issues, etc. are all fine reasons. I said what I did because the OP said that they were planning on getting married quite soon and needed to start planning. So my reply was based on that fact - if you know the wedding has to be soon, you can be "engaged" without a ring, if it makes the family more comfortable and eases in law tensions, if that indeed is the issue at hand.
 
First let me say that I''m really, really sorry that you''re hurt by the future MIL''s reaction. It''s sad, and it''s making you sad.

However, I saw pics you posted of you trying on wedding gowns, and your tattoos aren''t exactly minimal. Surely you knew when you decided to have both of your arms and the entire front of chest area done, that your body modification was different than the majority of women? I mean no disrespect but that wouldn''t be my first choice as a DIL either. Eventually I would judge the relationship based on whether I believed the girl was good for my son, but my first reaction would honestly be OMG. I''d hope it was a phase too. I think I''d be alot more accepting of differences like race, size, or religion since they aren''t a case where someone made an intentional choice to rebel against norms.

I wouldn''t be so quick to call the mom names on here and get so outraged. If your relationship with your BF is healthy and you can keep your tensions to a minimum, I think she''ll come around in time. Sometimes life isn''t fair. People do judge, so if you want her acceptance you need to continue to be positive and nice, period.
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That's impressive JSM.

I know that we couldn't do it because BF has car payments ('07 VW), and I have a '01 sports car that has high insurance-and I won't sell it. Not to mention large medical bills from BF's surgery 2 years ago, his follow up medical bills from his cardiologist since then, and both of our health insurances. If it weren't for his car, we'd probably be just fine to live on our own-even paying rent-it just may not be as cushy as it is now. I worked like a dog last summer and have some savings (that's dwindling now with the gas prices and food prices going up), but if I want to graduate when I'm planning on it (Dec '09) I can't take on another job. So the money isn't there to do it in a way that we're comfortable with. It's not the getting engaged that's the problem with us-we could do that right now-he's got all of the money for the ring and everything, it's more the thought that when we marry, we want to be financially independent-which we aren't right now, and won't be until I graduate.

The plan is currently that he will finish his Comprehensive Exams next spring, propose whenever he pleases after that, and then we'll get married between 12-24 months afterwards. And hopefully he will complete his dissertation around that same time or shortly afterwards. And of course, he'll probably have about 40k in loans to pay off at that point but we'll hopefully be able to pull in 90k a year very shortly after he graduates, if all goes as planned.

So technically it's not that can't get engaged, its that neither of us feels comfortable doing so until we're financially independent. Which totally sucks for my mom because she's completely willing to support us both financially, just so we get engaged/married sooner, but it's not her call to make.
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Date: 6/29/2008 7:47:02 PM
Author: purrfectpear
First let me say that I'm really, really sorry that you're hurt by the future MIL's reaction. It's sad, and it's making you sad.

However, I saw pics you posted of you trying on wedding gowns, and your tattoos aren't exactly minimal. Surely you knew when you decided to have both of your arms and the entire front of chest area done, that your body modification was different than the majority of women? I mean no disrespect but that wouldn't be my first choice as a DIL either. Eventually I would judge the relationship based on whether I believed the girl was good for my son, but my first reaction would honestly be OMG. I'd hope it was a phase too. I think I'd be alot more accepting of differences like race, size, or religion since they aren't a case where someone made an intentional choice to rebel against norms.

I wouldn't be so quick to call the mom names on here and get so outraged. If your relationship with your BF is healthy and you can keep your tensions to a minimum, I think she'll come around in time. Sometimes life isn't fair. People do judge, so if you want her acceptance you need to continue to be positive and nice, period.
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perfectpear: I have the art work that I have because it is ME...not by any means to 'rebel against norms'. And granted everyone is entitled to their opionions and when FMIL 1st met me she couldnt see a lot of what I had as far as tat work. I was bent down putting dishes in the dishwasher, hadnt even MET her yet as my back was turned and 1st words outta her mouth were 'how many tattoos DO you have anyway?' in a snide tone. That would be like if I had met her and she was heavy set and I said 'how much DO you weigh anyway?' its just rude. She saw A tattoo on my lower back that day. Thats all. But fine if that was her intitial response. Shes allowed to not care for them. Its her perogative. But after almost a yr and a half of knowing me and still being judgemental about it bothers me. Concidering that seems to be the only problem so far. Youde think by now that shed see past to see WHO I am and not how I choose to express myself. And im entitled to that. What really bothered me was after a few mos she acted very nice to me to my face yet apparently still had a problem with me. And I havent called her names on here and gotten 'so outraged' I said she was judgemental. its what she is. And I plan on continuing to be nice to her as i have been from the very beginning. I have been nothing BUT nice to her.
 
Date: 6/29/2008 7:13:45 PM
Author: mrs jam
I haven''t read the other posts, so I''m just responding to your original post, Sapphire Cutie. I''m so sorry about your mother-in-law''s comments. I know that it must have been hurtful.

Is this her first child who will be getting married? I remember that my own mother got a little weird when my older brother (her first baby) announced to the family that he was proposing to his girlfriend, and he was thirty years old by that time! Mothers and sons can sometimes have a complicated relationship, in my opinion. You know that saying, ''when your daughter marries you gain a son, but when your son marries you lose him'' or something to that effect?

I think that for right now, at least, for the sake of future peace and out of respect to your SO, try to give her the benefit of the doubt and give her some time to adjust to the idea of her son getting married. My advice is to take a breather and see maybe if you feel up to inviting her out to lunch or coffee and just having a chat. I think that saying ''you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar'' applies here!
mrs jam: Yes he is the 1st to be getting married. Its just him and a sister thats 2yrs younger then us. He and I will be 28 in Aug and sept. And I plan on inviting her out for some coffe to try and talk all this out and hear her side directly from her. weither she ultimatly comes around or not...well that up to her. But shes not going to sway us from our decision and even if she doesnt agree with it I will always be nice to her. Thats SO''s family and I would never cause a rift or problems. Family is very importaint and I would never make him choose or cause any problems within the family.
 
Sorry to hear about what happened with your FMIL. I didn''t read all the posts but i can relate to the first post. My MIL did not like me when she first met me (DH used to be a momma''s boy so no one was good enough for him!)

She would scowl at me and was actually downright rude to me. When i asked then BF why she was like that he broke down and told me that she didn''t like my personality (i liked to party back then and have a few tats myself), essentially thought i was a b*tch and that i was just using him for his money. I cried because i wasn''t going to change who i was to impress someone. well anyway, i kept my mouth shut and tried to be polite without kissing her butt and did not make it a big deal even though i knew my MIL was talking smack to his sister. they would make faces to each other when they saw me and what annoyed me was who were they to think that they were better than ME? Just because i did not have fancy clothes or bags and could not relate to their superficial conversations they thought i was beneath them! they never included me or invited me to any family functions that they held. i actually was relieved rather than annoyed by this but that was still rude.
well their tone became much softer after i left for med school, i told BF then not to tell them because i did not want them to think i was trying to impress them so they found out later way after i left ( we were in a LDR by then) and i noticed that they became 100 times nicer hmmmm right? i bit the bullet for DH''s sake and was very civil to them and they were even more nicer when we got married. i have a great relationship now with my mil for the sake of DH but i''ll never forget that.

My point is (after super long discussion, sorry!) that you should not change or fell the need to prove yourself to her because the truth will come out and she will see why your soon to be fiance is with you! and if they don''t, then it''s their loss because they lose out on getting to know the person that her son loves. i wouldn''t take it too deep and just focus on your relationship and enjoy wedding/engagement planning while trying to be as neutral as possible to avoid anymore sticky situations. good luck!
 
You know, you''re right, you didn''t call her names - it was other posters. My apologies.

Good luck with her. I think only time (and a long sleeved wedding dress) will help
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Seriously though, as long as your BF loves you she just needs to deal
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Oh boy do I feel like I can give advice on this one. My MIL never liked me either. I don''t even know if it was personal or that I was just taking away "her baby." My opinion is that a great deal of mothers have trouble with who their sons marry and they feel entitled to express their feelings. I will tell you about the mistakes I made. I never sat down and confronted my MIL and I should have. My DH wasn''t able to set proper boundaries but I sure should have. My only defense is that I was 20 when I got married and immature. It took me 12 years, until I had my first child, before I stood up to her. But by then it was too late for her and I to have a relationship. She recently passed away and I know my DH feels badly that I wasn''t closer to her. We didn''t have screaming matches or anything like that, it was more like a cold war with a few zingers thrown in here and there.

For the sake of your sanity, and your feelings because I can tell they are hurt, please sit down with this woman and try to come to an understanding. She may never approve of your body art but who cares? That''s her right. You certainly aren''t going to agree with every thing she does either. That''s life. But hopefully you two can come together and be a family.

Now, with this all this said, if you try and try and she still is not warming to the idea of you as a member of her family, well you and SO will deal with this together.

Good luck!
 
Date: 6/29/2008 7:59:03 PM
Author: FrekeChild
That''s impressive JSM.


I know that we couldn''t do it because BF has car payments (''07 VW), and I have a ''01 sports car that has high insurance-and I won''t sell it. Not to mention large medical bills from BF''s surgery 2 years ago, his follow up medical bills from his cardiologist since then, and both of our health insurances. If it weren''t for his car, we''d probably be just fine to live on our own-even paying rent-it just may not be as cushy as it is now. I worked like a dog last summer and have some savings (that''s dwindling now with the gas prices and food prices going up), but if I want to graduate when I''m planning on it (Dec ''09) I can''t take on another job. So the money isn''t there to do it in a way that we''re comfortable with. It''s not the getting engaged that''s the problem with us-we could do that right now-he''s got all of the money for the ring and everything, it''s more the thought that when we marry, we want to be financially independent-which we aren''t right now, and won''t be until I graduate.


The plan is currently that he will finish his Comprehensive Exams next spring, propose whenever he pleases after that, and then we''ll get married between 12-24 months afterwards. And hopefully he will complete his dissertation around that same time or shortly afterwards. And of course, he''ll probably have about 40k in loans to pay off at that point but we''ll hopefully be able to pull in 90k a year very shortly after he graduates, if all goes as planned.


So technically it''s not that can''t get engaged, its that neither of us feels comfortable doing so until we''re financially independent. Which totally sucks for my mom because she''s completely willing to support us both financially, just so we get engaged/married sooner, but it''s not her call to make.
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Thanks - we do okay. My fiance grew up fairly poor (like no dinner or gifts on Christmas so they could afford to have heat poor) so we''re good at prioritizing! It was a good wake up call for me to realize what I really NEEDED to live with, instead of wanted. It''s amazing how much you can do with your money if you put your mind to it!

6 months after I finish grad school I''ll have a ton of student loans to pay, and we''re fighting Blue Cross over medical bills related to broken bones, but otherwise we don''t have too much debt - it really helps.

Kudos to you to know what your situation is and what you can comfortably handle! That''s so important to starting on the right track.
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Date: 6/29/2008 6:55:54 PM
Author: Sapphire_Cutie
Date: 6/29/2008 6:25:28 PM

Author: bee*


Date: 6/29/2008 5:02:21 PM

Author: Pandora II


Date: 6/29/2008 4:45:11 PM


Author: Sapphire_Cutie


surfgirl: 1st off I have never once said that I would no longer interact with So''s mother NOR have I said that I would be mean twords her or anything like that. I have been NOTHING but nice to that woman. And even though all of this JUST took place yesterday...I have already spoke with So and decided that I was going to speak with my FMIL and try to sort all this out. 2nd off please dont ASSUME that you know what my SO''s parents are thinking when you have no idea. And although my SO''s mother SAID that she AND her husband wanted us to wait... SHE LIED! My SO spoke with his father and he said NOTHING about it! FMIL was trying to be manipulative. SO''s dad loves me and just wants us to be happy! You are just taking what YOU personally see as odd or a wierd thing and making THAT the problem here and its not...and 3rd... my SO BOUGHT a ring for me thank you very much and I am just waiting on the proposal which is up to HIM to do WHEN HE WANTS... and 4th everyone does things differantly and again your assuming things. Like the whole budget thing. There are certain people on his side of the family that would have to be invited etc. And certain things that SO wants for our wedding. So since there must be such things he needs the list of family members so that we can figure out what all this is going to run us so that we could look at our finances and decided WEITHER we could afford to have the wedding this upcomming year OR next year. Soooo we are NOT doing it ass backward and EVEN if YOU think we are...well no offense but that wasnt what this post was about. And not everything has to be done Surfgirls way or anyone elses way besides ours. And lastly it is HARDLY uncommon for people whom have been dating around a yr and a half to get engaged. And although weve only been dating for said time...I have know my SO all through school. And again... my age, my dating time and how I choose to plan MY wedding was NOT what this post was about.


That is rather a rude and agressive post - and quite uncalled for.



SG made it quite clear that she was merely ''suggesting'' what your SO''s mother may be thinking and why.



I would also find it very odd if my son''s gf wanted lists of guests before they had announced an official engagement.


I would have to agree. I would find it strange too. Is there a reason that you''re not engaged yet? (sorry if I''ve missed it above.) I would meet up with her though and try and discuss it with her.


Freke-I do agree with you on that there are certain reasons where it''s sensible to wait to get engaged-we were the exact same. We didn''t get engaged until we could support ourselves fully.
bee*: Let me try to clarify again because Im sure you didnt read all the posts. I was not the one who asked for the list. my SO did. He asked his mother for a list of people who should be invited because there are certain people that should be invited and certain things that he would like for our wedding. And basically since we have been doing a lot of renovations etc on the house it would be helpful for us to have our list in order and figure what venue we would most likely like so that w can figure out an approximate price so that we could determain weither or not we could afford to get married next year or if we''d have to wait til 2010. And He has just finished paying for the ring and im just waiting for him to propose when he has planned to do it. He will propose NO later then Dec of this year but Im pretty sure it willl be much sooner then that. So thats why we arent officially engaged yet. He has a plan and a vision and Im just waiting for him to do it. Hope that helped.

I had read that it was your bf that asked for the list-I just agreed with Surfgirl that if she doesn''t know that you two are nearly engaged, she might have thought that it would be strange. Anyway, I hope that you get things sorted with her.
 
Who cares if he got her the ring yet or not..this is not the problem here.

I just want to say my brother in law was in the exact same situation. his mom did not like his gf.. When they got engaged she was furious and did everything she could to ruin their rel. (nasty stuff) but when they started planning the wedding she got interested and wanted to decided on everything.. cake, guests etc. they told her to butt out and she did not talk to them x 4 years. well you know what..too bad for her, she missed her son''s big day!! and I''m sure he was hurt by it but at least he put the woman of his life first.

Today they talk and get along fine.. and every time she tries to control them, he puts her right back on track.

oh yeah and your bf should be the one talking to his mom!! not you.. You have nothing to defend, he loves you and she should just be happy for him.
 
I just wanted to say that I really do hope you work things out. Life is too short to fight with in-laws, especially if children are in the future plan.

I definitely did not intend that your relationship is not headed towards marriage (sounds like it''s certain since he has the ring), and I think there are legitimate reasons for waiting to get engaged/married, but people on the outside looking in will not always understand wedding planning without an engagement. You said in your OP that your SO''s mother told him that she thought you were just a "phase." From this statement, it sounds like SO''s mother did not know how serious your relationship with her son was, which would make his request for a guest list to your wedding qutie shocking. Maybe there was a lack of communication there? Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and although there may be no basis for your SO''s mother not to like you, it might be something you have to choose to tolerate and just "put on a happy face" when you''re around her, particularly if your SO has no problem with her - or - just cut her out of your life completely. I''m all for your SO defending you as his future wife in any situation, but even if you two are never best friends, it would be a shame to miss out on family-type things with them just because the two of you aren''t mature enough to be civil but it sounds like you, at least, are trying to be mature about it right now by just dealing with her nicely and having a talk with her.

I don''t think surfgirl was attacking you, perhaps you are unaware of her blunt style, but it probably also gave you some perspective as to what your SO''s mother MIGHT be thinking if you choose to hear and absorb it. Although you said that your formal engagement, or lack thereof, was not the subject of your OP, the conflict with your SO''s mother is directly related to engagement/wedding-type stuff. There is certainly no reason for any of us on here to "attack" you so you have to "defend" yourself, but when you post a vent you will get comments from all angles. That is the beauty of PS...just take it in stride and realize that *most* PSers have your interests at heart and are trying to offer you some insight.

Good luck!
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Date: 6/30/2008 9:19:27 AM
Author: Scorpio_22
Who cares if he got her the ring yet or not..this is not the problem here.
No one, the point being made was that he hasn''t proposed, which doesn''t require a ring, and so the FMIL might have been put off by being asked to write a guest list as the commitment to marriage hasn''t been made yet. I totally get it, and if I went to my parents and asked for a wedding guest list when I wasn''t engaged I would expect a reaction, confused, bewildered, whatever, from them.

In-laws can be tough, and it''s important that you and your boyfriend decide now how you, as a couple, are going to deal with his mother; the picture may change over time, but the two of you should always be on the same page in this regard. If you are to be married you should act as though you are of one mind when it comes to dealing with familial relationships. A close friend of mine has major issues with her BIL and SIL. She and her husband have decided that they will not discuss them, as it only makes her angry, and he is free to visit them whenever he pleases, and take their son, but she is not required to go. He simply writes when he intends to go for a visit on the family calendar so she knows when he''ll be gone, and if their son will be home or with him, and that''s the end of it. That probably isn''t the solution for you at this point, but it''s a good example of working things out, and the two of you finding one is important.

As for the tattoos, I was engaged to a man who had full sleeves. People viewed him differently than they would have had he not chosen to have them, I think it''s part of what people who choose to have multiple tattoos in visable places have to deal with and accept. Did it make him less of a person? No. But it did affect his job prospects, and the way people looked at him. He loved them and accepted the consequences of having them because right or wrong, it''s the way a lot of people think.

Good luck to you
 
Wait. . . thought he bought a beautiful vintage ring for you back in April? What is he waiting for if the two of you are already discussing wedding venues, budgets, possible number of guests, and you''ve been to try on gowns?
 
Date: 6/30/2008 2:03:15 PM
Author: HollyS
Wait. . . thought he bought a beautiful vintage ring for you back in April? What is he waiting for if the two of you are already discussing wedding venues, budgets, possible number of guests, and you''ve been to try on gowns?
HollyS: He had the ring on hold and was making payments on it because we are doing a lot of renovations on the house which I felt was more importaint to put money twords then paying for the ring at once. He has just finished paying for it. And Im sure that he just like a lot of other LIWs men on here are waiting for the time that they want to propose. There are plenty of people on here whos SO''s have had the ring for weeks or even months before proposing. Maybe he has something planned for a speacial day. 4th of July maybe, or both of our birth days are right around the corner. He will propose when he wants to. I picked the ring, now its HIS turn to suprise me with the proposal his way.
 
Date: 6/30/2008 5:43:08 PM
Author: Sapphire_Cutie

Date: 6/30/2008 2:03:15 PM
Author: HollyS
Wait. . . thought he bought a beautiful vintage ring for you back in April? What is he waiting for if the two of you are already discussing wedding venues, budgets, possible number of guests, and you''ve been to try on gowns?
HollyS: He had the ring on hold and was making payments on it because we are doing a lot of renovations on the house which I felt was more importaint to put money twords then paying for the ring at once. He has just finished paying for it. And Im sure that he just like a lot of other LIWs men on here are waiting for the time that they want to propose. There are plenty of people on here whos SO''s have had the ring for weeks or even months before proposing. Maybe he has something planned for a speacial day. 4th of July maybe, or both of our birth days are right around the corner. He will propose when he wants to. I picked the ring, now its HIS turn to suprise me with the proposal his way.
I''m in the same boat Sapphire. We''ve had the ring for 2 weeks now, he paid in full. Now, he''s planning whatever he''s planning. All I know is that by December 31, 2008 at 11:59:59, I will have my proposal (LOL) whether it happens way before or on the dot...I have no idea. That''s up to him.
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