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GemmaEdet

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Hi All,


Yesterday, was looking at my stone VS1 ( got it from bluenile a few days ago), and saw a black dot visiable just above the girdle line, and can even see it from a couple of other facets due to relfection.

Is it normal ? .. and it''s really bothering me as i thought VS1 is not supposed to be visiable through naked eyes.

p.s I did clean/rub it a couple of times.. and it''s still there.. i didn''t use loupe.
Very upsetting now.
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Any idea ?


Can''t thank you guys enough for your excellent help and support all the time !!!
 
Gemma, this is a reason that a lot of us here don''t deal with BlueNile. I want to know that stones have been given the eagle eye by someone I trust before they are shipped to me.

Without photos it''s impossible to tell - how does this ''black spot'' match up with the inclusion plot on the report? You shouldn''t be able to see anything from face-up with the naked eye in a VS1.
 
It is possible that you can see an inclusion in VS1, this is rare but it has happened before. Eyesights can vary as can a myriad other factors. If it is bothering you then I would send it back Gemma, I know you have been doubtful perhaps about this stone, so maybe a fresh start might be better?
 
Thanks a lot dear !!!
I am at work, don''t have picture or camera right night.

I can''t see anything from the top view, ( last time not even with a 10x loupe ).
But last night I do see from the side view.. it''s just under the surface, and above the girdle line
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I tried to contact the apprasiers on the list, but non of them picks up the phone :-(

crying now.
 
Date: 5/5/2009 7:19:17 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Thanks a lot dear !!!
I am at work, don't have picture or camera right night.

I can't see anything from the top view, ( last time not even with a 10x loupe ).
But last night I do see from the side view.. it's just under the surface, and above the girdle line
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I tried to contact the apprasiers on the list, but non of them picks up the phone :-(

crying now.
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Gemma, PLEASE don't get upset!!!! We can sort this out, honestly!!!
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Also clarity is graded face up so it is possible in some cases you might see something from the side of the diamond, even with VS1 although this is rare.
 
Gemma, you mention you're seeing it just above the girdle line; does this mean you see it when you're looking at the profile view?

It sounds like you're describing what you see in a side view. Clarity grading is done on a face-up view only, so it's possible to have a VS stone that faces up clean and still be able to see inclusions from a side view.
 
Thank you all !!!
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Never expect this will happen, thought VS1 will be pretty safe choice !.
... .. it''s strange that grading is not valued from the side !!??

sighhh.. the report is really not that useful then !
 
Date: 5/5/2009 7:22:30 AM
Author: Allison D.
Gemma, you mention you''re seeing it just above the girdle line; does this mean you see it when you''re looking at the profile view?

It sounds like you''re describing what you see in a side view. Clarity grading is done on a face-up view only, so it''s possible to have a VS stone that faces up clean and still be able to see inclusions from a side view.
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Yes.. it''s the profile view, and can see very clear tiny one black dot, and then after reflecting N times, i pretty much can see it from quite a few sides, up and below the girdls.
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.fainting ~~~
 
Date: 5/5/2009 7:26:53 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Thank you all !!!
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Never expect this will happen, thought VS1 will be pretty safe choice !.
... .. it's strange that grading is not valued from the side !!??

sighhh.. the report is really not that useful then !
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That is how it has always been done Gemma, this is normal. VS1 should be a safe choice but many factors come into play as well as the individual eyesight of the viewer. If you are a young lady with excellent close up vision then you might be able to pick up on tiny inclusions more easily than I would, as my close up vision isn't what it was! You could think of the inclusion like a little birthmark, that way you can always identify it. But if it bothers you that much then think about sending it back.
 
You have a lucky stone Gemma - one that you will always be able to identify.
sounds fine if it is not face up visible
 
Date: 5/5/2009 7:29:05 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 5/5/2009 7:26:53 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Thank you all !!!
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Never expect this will happen, thought VS1 will be pretty safe choice !.
... .. it''s strange that grading is not valued from the side !!??

sighhh.. the report is really not that useful then !
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That is how it has always been done Gemma, this is normal. VS1 should be a safe choice but many factors come into play as well as the individual eyesight of the viewer. If you are a young lady with excellent close up vision then you might be able to pick up on tiny inclusions more easily than I would, as my close up vision isn''t what it was! You could think of the inclusion like a little birthmark, that way you can always identify it. But if it bothers you that much then think about sending it back.
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Thanks Lorelei !
Just poped out and bought a 10x loupe from hatton gardens, going to do thorough examination tonight !
If indeed a inclusion.. i will return it.. otherwise, not much point to pay extra for VS1 then !.

sighh..... by the sound of it, i will need to start from scratch again.
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Thanks all for this !
 
Date: 5/5/2009 8:47:11 AM
Author: GemmaEdet

Date: 5/5/2009 7:29:05 AM
Author: Lorelei


Date: 5/5/2009 7:26:53 AM
Author: GemmaEdet
Thank you all !!!
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Never expect this will happen, thought VS1 will be pretty safe choice !.
... .. it''s strange that grading is not valued from the side !!??

sighhh.. the report is really not that useful then !
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That is how it has always been done Gemma, this is normal. VS1 should be a safe choice but many factors come into play as well as the individual eyesight of the viewer. If you are a young lady with excellent close up vision then you might be able to pick up on tiny inclusions more easily than I would, as my close up vision isn''t what it was! You could think of the inclusion like a little birthmark, that way you can always identify it. But if it bothers you that much then think about sending it back.
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Thanks Lorelei !
Just poped out and bought a 10x loupe from hatton gardens, going to do thorough examination tonight !
If indeed a inclusion.. i will return it.. otherwise, not much point to pay extra for VS1 then !.

sighh..... by the sound of it, i will need to start from scratch again.
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Thanks all for this !
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You are most welcome Gemma! If the inclusion does bother you then it might be best to send it back and look again, maybe try a vendor who has the diamonds in house that can give you a very accurate description of any inclusions or lack of. Also it is possible another VS1 might not show any inclusions at all and could be a better match for you.
 
I''m sorry that you are so upset by this. Maybe take it to a local jeweler and get their opinion on it? I say this because I wonder if it is a reflection of the culet or if it really is an inclusion. Of course if you''re not happy with the stone send it back. Good Luck
 
Date: 5/5/2009 9:59:35 AM
Author: Stone Hunter

I''m sorry that you are so upset by this. Maybe take it to a local jeweler and get their opinion on it? I say this because I wonder if it is a reflection of the culet or if it really is an inclusion. Of course if you''re not happy with the stone send it back. Good Luck
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Thanks Stone Hunter,
I will do a close check tonight, and update you guys !.
 
That was a quick purchase...no?

Don't panic, just keep an eye on the return window and leave plenty of time to return it if you so choose.

Ditto on face up grading; sorry.

Guys, could this be a prong reflection?
 
Date: 5/5/2009 10:55:00 AM
Author: Steel
That was a quick purchase...no?

Don''t panic, just keep an eye on the return window and leave plenty of time to return it if you so choose.

Ditto on face up grading; sorry.

Guys, could this be a prong reflection?
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Hi Steel,

Sorry for the confusion.. Blame me for asking too many questions
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I had already ordered one( which doens''t talk to me for some reason) from bluenile before yesterday''s post.. and then I saw some nice ones on the US site, and was curious on the tax, how it works etc.

Don''t think it''s prog, as it''s loose one at the moment, it''s got NOTHING..
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I ended up with an SI1, but when we were shopping, I was sure to ask if it was eye clean for ALL angles, which is is!
 
I''m sorry you had to go thru this. It is rare but clearly not impossible. Had the inclusion been a white spot it may not have been so obvious. Goes to show we are better off picking a verified eye-clean SI2 over choosing a VS1 blind...

Once you see the inclusion, you cannot ''unsee'' it. Worse you tend to see more of it as in your case. Only one way out of this: return it. We all learn a few things the hard way sometimes.
 
Date: 5/5/2009 11:34:12 AM
Author: GemmaEdet

Date: 5/5/2009 10:55:00 AM
Author: Steel
That was a quick purchase...no?

Don''t panic, just keep an eye on the return window and leave plenty of time to return it if you so choose.

Ditto on face up grading; sorry.

Guys, could this be a prong reflection?
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Hi Steel,

Sorry for the confusion.. Blame me for asking too many questions
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I had already ordered one( which doens''t talk to me for some reason) from bluenile before yesterday''s post.. and then I saw some nice ones on the US site, and was curious on the tax, how it works etc.

Don''t think it''s prog, as it''s loose one at the moment, it''s got NOTHING..
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Hmmmm....under those circumstances it is likely to not be a prong reflection (hahahahaha
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Ring BN and start the return process.

Do you wanna keep going and choose another stone from them?
 
Just a thought on return: have you tried contacting BlueNile.co.uk and seeing if they can help (at least it may avoid the time and uncertainty of a transatlantic shipment)?
 
Hi All...

Thanks for all of your warm replies.

Came home with 10x loupe, examined the diamond up and down for 10 mins, not difficult at all to find out the inclusions which i saw with my naked eyes yesterday. Actually
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, it's more than one. 2 very clear ones, just on the edge of the facet, and because it's slightly deep. it shows only as a 'dot' in the GIA report, while it's quite deep one one from the side view.... another one slightly below the girdle..
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I think i am getting really good now, can tell color, and can see inclusions with my eyes !!!
Calling bluenile now.. return return
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have to start again
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any idea how much does it cost for the return. I guess we pay for the full return fees. right.
how long does it take to get my money back ?
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Date: 5/5/2009 5:07:50 PM
Author: GemmaEdet
Hi All...


Thanks for all of your warm replies.


Came home with 10x loupe, examined the diamond up and down for 10 mins, not difficult at all to find out the inclusions which i saw with my naked eyes yesterday. Actually
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, it''s more than one. 2 very clear ones, just on the edge of the facet, and because it''s slightly deep. it shows only as a ''dot'' in the GIA report, while it''s quite deep one one from the side view.... another one slightly below the girdle..
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I think i am getting really good now, can tell color, and can see inclusions with my eyes !!!

Calling bluenile now.. return return
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have to start again
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any idea how much does it cost for the return. I guess we pay for the full return fees. right.
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Wow, I am impressed with your stellar vision! Or maybe you got a not great VS1, hard to say I guess. But at least now you know that you may have to be a bit more picky on clarity to be happy, or go with a vendor who can examine the stone in depth for you before the purchase. I hope you find your stone soon!
 
Thanks !.

now. i have to start my painful to trace my money back.

and Start eh search again !

any UK reputable online diamond site besides bluenile ?
 
Date: 5/5/2009 6:52:29 PM
Author: GemmaEdet
Thanks !.

now. i have to start my painful to trace my money back.

and Start eh search again !

any UK reputable online diamond site besides bluenile ?
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Definitely try Dr Indira Marchant at www.bestdiamonds.co.uk , she posts here and is a wonderful lady and true expert.
 
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