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Ideal OEC Cuts - what combination would you prefer?

Karl_K said:
Where is the cutter located?
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In Texas. But mailing it in the US to a vendor/ appraiser should be feasable I think.
 
i feel aset images are very valuable in this situation. unfortunately, ive encountered some that still do not use it. it will allow you to see what the light return is, without having the diamond shipped with insurance and potentially held up or worse. although, typically, shipping high amount valuables is safe

an idea would be, if the cutter or cutting facility doesnt use aset, is to have a an aset scope viewer ordered and shipped to them.

personally, if i were in your position, i would not take any unnecessary risks, unless i absolutely had to. and to me, it doesnt feel like you are there yet

i'd want to keep a 4.5 carat diamond safe and sound. id much rather ship an aset scope to the them if they don't have one

***edited***and if you must send it to an appraiser, i second @denverappraiser
 
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Big Fat Facets said:
i feel aset images are very valuable in this situation. unfortunately, ive encountered some that still do not use it. it will allow you to see what the light return is, without having the diamond shipped with insurance and potentially held up or worse. although, typically, shipping high amount valuables is safe

an idea would be, if the cutter or cutting facility doesnt use aset, is to have a an aset scope viewer ordered and shipped to them.

personally, if i were in your position, i would not take any unnecessary risks, unless i absolutely had to. and to me, it doesnt feel like you are there yet

i'd want to keep a 4.5 carat diamond safe and sound. id much rather ship an aset scope to the them if they don't have one

***edited***and if you must send it to an appraiser, i second @denverappraiser
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Thank you for your advice! If I send it to an appraiser I will use denverappraiser. I think it would be valuable to get his opinion on the clarity after the recut so I would be getting even more information than just the cut quality and I could probably sleep better by having another independent opinion.
 
Lessics said:
Thank you for your advice! If I send it to an appraiser I will use denverappraiser. I think it would be valuable to get his opinion on the clarity after the recut so I would be getting even more information than just the cut quality and I could probably sleep better by having another independent opinion.
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he's very helpful. i just corresponded with him today about a stone ... you will be in good hands
 
Lessics, can you get the cutter to take a few videos of the current cut stone? I don’t see how that would be too hard for them. If you have one in outdoor light and one in indoor light you can usually quickly assess. IMO an ASET and a couple videos will tell you a lot. There are PSers in Texas who might be able to help, also.
 
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LightBright said:
Lessics, can you get the cutter to take a few videos of the current cut stone? I don’t see how that would be too hard for them. If you have one in outdoor light and one in indoor light you can usually quickly assess. IMO an ASET and a couple videos will tell you a lot. There are PSers in Texas who might be able to help, also.
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I will ask him for a video. But he is very unresponsive and I’m sure he wouldn’t go outside and shoot a video of it for me. He did send me a video of the diamond in a lightbox, but It’s a tilted view. I don’t see it from the top/Front. I can’t pick up any hint if like the diamond or not. I think I will send it to my chosen appraiser and let him evaluate it. I wouldn’t want to inconvenience any PSer (:
If the appraiser says it not cut to optimal light performance I will see if I’ll send it back to the initial cutter or pick a new one (one that handles „ideal“ cut oecs a lot).
I can’t wait to have this diamond on my finger. If I’m lucky before Christmas ;-)
 
Can you share the video here? Please share so we can see... Current process seems like a lot of effort for you Plus risk of shipping. You could apologize profusely and ask for a top down and side view video in the light box. Have him hold on a tweezer. Say you want to be sure what you are seeing, so straight on top and straight on side view are really important. Do everything politely and with a smile and you might get what you ask... IMO I would not send a potentially unfinished stone to appraiser. Only a finished one.
 
LightBright said:
Can you share the video here? Please share so we can see... Current process seems like a lot of effort for you Plus risk of shipping. You could apologize profusely and ask for a top down and side view video in the light box. Have him hold on a tweezer. Say you want to be sure what you are seeing, so straight on top and straight on side view are really important. Do everything politely and with a smile and you might get what you ask... IMO I would not send a potentially unfinished stone to appraiser. Only a finished one.
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I'm pretty sure if the stone isn't cut to what I expect that I will switch to a new cutter. I'm sending it to the appraiser to get his opinion on: if the stone is finished or not. I know the cutter thinks it's great (which it might be). But I need an independant experienced opinion that has the stone infront of him to help me decide if it's finished. Do you understand what I mean? I don't even trust a video (-: I think @Karl_K made a great point that I would have to see it myself (which I can't) before asking for more cutting on it. So I see the appraiser as my pair of eyes in the US.
But yes it seems like a lot of effort your're totally right.
 
Lessics said:

I'm pretty sure if the stone isn't cut to what I expect that I will switch to a new cutter. I'm sending it to the appraiser to get his opinion on: if the stone is finished or not. I know the cutter thinks it's great (which it might be). But I need an independant experienced opinion that has the stone infront of him to help me decide if it's finished. Do you understand what I mean? I don't even trust a video (-: I think @Karl_K made a great point that I would have to see it myself (which I can't) before asking for more cutting on it. So I see the appraiser as my pair of eyes in the US.
But yes it seems like a lot of effort your're totally right.
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This looks outrageously beautiful to me! Holy cow, look at that crown! Facets are exceptionally chunky spade-like chunks of glitterworks. It seems to have gorgeous symmetry. I love that he made the girdle thin like an authentic antique. I personally wouldn’t touch it or lose any more weight. Stop the presses and wear this baby! Then decide if you want to cut more after a year. It is stunningly beautiful (I’m blown away by how great this turned out!)
 
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LightBright said:
This looks outrageously beautiful to me! Holy cow, look at that crown! Facets are exceptionally chunky spade-like chunks of glitterworks. It seems to have gorgeous symmetry. I love that he made the girdle thin like an authentic antique. I personally wouldn’t touch it or lose any more weight. Stop the presses and wear this baby! Then decide if you want to cut more after a year. It is stunningly beautiful (I’m blown away by how great this turned out!)
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Wouldn't you be concerned about the face up picture that I posted a few days earlier? Where the center is dark?
 
I see what you are saying. But I also think that the dark center might be camera obstruction. I also know from experience that these types of cuts change in a variety of lights and look vastly different with movement. What the center looks like in a photo could be deceptive. I would ask the cutter nicely and politely for a top down video. But I honestly cringe when I think of changing this current stone in any way because each change changes something else. Karl K would be a good person to ask about the center. To me this stone‘s cut is stunningly beautiful. The faceting is unusually chunky and the crown has fantastic heft. I don’t know how much “more better” this could get...
 
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I wonder if you could find any of the branded antique ideal cut rounds that have up close pictures floating around that would look similar to your picture and point to it not being true obstruction.

but I get your concerns about wanting to get it right and not wanting to settle.
 
The video looks awesome.
Any short lgf% stone can be made to look aweful with to much obstruction.
The video with less obstruction rocks.
 
just viewed the video clip of your recut stone, and it is spectacular!

i do not see any of the darkness that i see in the third image you posed earlier in the thread. it could be obstruction as i mentioned in post #16
 
@Lessics The proportions of your recut diamond are almost identical to those of a CER, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with the cut.

The one major difference is the length of the lower half facets.
 
prs said:
@Lessics The proportions of your recut diamond are almost identical to those of a CER, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with the cut.

The one major difference is the length of the lower half facets.
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Well as long as you haven’t seen the diamond personally I’m not sure why you’re so sure. Even if the proportions are similiar to other beautiful OECs this doesn’t mean that it couldn’t suffer from obstruction more frequently than I would want to tolerate. In any case I will let somebody evaluate it in person and tell them what they should look out for for me. Everybody has their own set of expectations!
Thank you for sharing your opinion.
 
Just trying to save you money and give you some peace of mind. I doubt CERs suffer from obstruction.
 
Looks really pretty in the video! You are doing the wise thing to let Neil evaluate it for you just to be sure!
 
I had Neil evaluate the stone and he said it looked fine. There was a bit delay in communication because of thanksgiving and I was getting impatient. So even though I still had a few open questions I went ahead to have it sent to a jeweler, who is setting the stone now. Neil sent me an idealscope while he was “evaluating” the stone. And I think he never got around to explaining to me why the petals are dark in the idealscope. When I look at idealscopes of other “ideal” cut oecs the petals under the table are bright red.

A53B6275-8C35-41E5-AAB5-65AFD344A66C.pngDoes somebody have experience how dark areas in an idealscope show up in real life? I won’t be recutting the stone (for the next few years at least), but I would like to understand the idealscope. Maybe somebody can enlighten me how this stone will perform.
 
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The recut looks great. Love the video.
 
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I'm pretty sure if the stone isn't cut to what I expect that I will switch to a new cutter. I'm sending it to the appraiser to get his opinion on: if the stone is finished or not. I know the cutter thinks it's great (which it might be). But I need an independant experienced opinion that has the stone infront of him to help me decide if it's finished. Do you understand what I mean? I don't even trust a video (-: I think @Karl_K made a great point that I would have to see it myself (which I can't) before asking for more cutting on it. So I see the appraiser as my pair of eyes in the US.
But yes it seems like a lot of effort your're totally right.
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I think its gorgeous! I am waiting for my recut photos from Ashley as well. 3.8 MRB to a 3.5 OEC
 
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