Ideal vs. SuperIdeal?

[Missrocks]

Date: 3/23/2008 7:47:48 PM
Author: strmrdr
Howdy DG :}
I see where you are coming from, most people don't even care too see the difference between AGS0 and AGS5 they just want the cheapest stone they can get that will make who they are buying it for happy.
Show them 4 diamonds and say this one(don't mention its a dog) is 33% less and a lot of people will find something too convince themselves its the best looking.
Do so in lighting that makes any diamond look good and you can sell dogs all day long.

But I think that most people can be trained quickly too spot minor difference if they want too.

I have to agree with this 100 percent. It's amazing how much easier the majority of people are sold on price, than any other aspect of the product.

I also do believe their is also a percentage of people out there who work in just the opposite way. Tell someone its more expensive, that is associated with a more desired, valuable product, in their mind.
Then there are those average consumers who really are able to see a visible difference (not mentally mindset) in the qualities of the product being compared, and will make their decision based on how visual of difference is perceived vs. relative value.
The latter two mentioned, I do believe to be smaller percentages.

 

[The Mole]

Myyyyy...what an enclosed eco-system pricescope is...


I would hazard to say that MOST one carat round brilliant cut diamonds in the world are cut to a 6 millimeter diameter. Now if the average customer (who these diamonds are marketed to) cannot see past a 0.5 mm diameter differential, which would have an extreme impact on the face up size of the stone, I would say they probably cannot see the difference in an AGS 0 vs. and AGS 8 in light return.

The pricescope community is by no means the average consumer. In my experience people see what they choose to see....

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/24/2008 2:45:01 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
So that would an idealist cut, or a more than ideal cut, or........... a soupa doupa ideal cut?

Storm Sergey has said for many years that somone will do it. I promise publically any involement i have will not compromise your ownership rights - go man go!

If it cant sell on its own merits than it isn''t worth bringing too market.
There are far too many diamonds both RB and others(cough cough patented cuts) being sold on hype and hype alone and I don''t like it.
The reason super-ideal is OK is that its a subcategory of the RB so it needs a name/description and there is data and or workmanship that can be demonstrated too back it up.

 

[Missrocks]

Date: 3/24/2008 2:36:13 AM
Author: strmrdr
I firmly believe that there is a better round cut out there than the RB and current extra facet variations and I''m working on finding it.
I have come close too beating it across the board with a mixed cut and it does beat out all but the best of the best RB''s.
Contrast and dispersion are hard, light return is easy!

Just out of curiosity, what does the term "better" refer too? The problem I find with this, is beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I consider myself extremely adamant about quality and beauty, yet I slightly cringe at rounds with extreme optically symmetry, creating those prominent, dark arrows. I do not enjoy this look at all, yet it seems to appeal to most. I do have a certain combo of angles I that are most appealing to me, minus those extreme HA patterns.
Theoretically, everyone could have a different preference about what level of contrast and dispersion is most appealing. Of course there might be an agreeance that the highest light return possible is best...
If it was possible to significantly out-do the current round brilliant in light return, I could still achieve my dream of requiring people to wear sunglasses when they look at me- with diamonds in my price range!..instead of saving up for those 8 ctw diamond studs

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 3/24/2008 3:22:26 AM
Author: Missrocks

Date: 3/24/2008 2:36:13 AM
Author: strmrdr
I firmly believe that there is a better round cut out there than the RB and current extra facet variations and I''m working on finding it.
I have come close too beating it across the board with a mixed cut and it does beat out all but the best of the best RB''s.
Contrast and dispersion are hard, light return is easy!

Just out of curiosity, what does the term ''better'' refer too? The problem I find with this, is beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I consider myself extremely adamant about quality and beauty, yet I slightly cringe at rounds with extreme optically symmetry, creating those prominent, dark arrows. I do not enjoy this look at all, yet it seems to appeal to most. I do have a certain combo of angles I that are most appealing to me, minus those extreme HA patterns.
Theoretically, everyone could have a different preference about what level of contrast and dispersion is most appealing. Of course there might be an agreeance that the highest light return possible is best...
If it was possible to significantly out-do the current round brilliant in light return, I could still achieve my dream of requiring people to wear sunglasses when they look at me- with diamonds in my price range!..instead of saving up for those 8 ctw diamond studs

For example everyone can see that a well cut round brillliant is brighter or has "better" light return than a well cut princess.

Storm has several criteria, many of which compete, that he wishes to "better" compared to a Tolkowsky round brilliant proportions.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/24/2008 3:22:26 AM
Author: Missrocks

Just out of curiosity, what does the term ''better'' refer too? The problem I find with this, is beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I consider myself extremely adamant about quality and beauty, yet I slightly cringe at rounds with extreme optically symmetry, creating those prominent, dark arrows. I do not enjoy this look at all, yet it seems to appeal to most. I do have a certain combo of angles I that are most appealing to me, minus those extreme HA patterns.
Theoretically, everyone could have a different preference about what level of contrast and dispersion is most appealing. Of course there might be an agreeance that the highest light return possible is best...
If it was possible to significantly out-do the current round brilliant in light return, I could still achieve my dream of requiring people to wear sunglasses when they look at me- with diamonds in my price range!..instead of saving up for those 8 ctw diamond studs

If you don''t like dark arrows and like white light return I have a design ready too go right now that is around 14%-20% brighter than the best RB.
Getting white light return higher than an RB is easy.
What I am working on is trading as little of that brightness as possible for added dispersion and contrast for a better balanced diamond.
You and I would love the design as it is :} but it isn''t the best yet.
My goal is at first 110+% brightness 95% dispersion and 85% contrast vs a tolk.
That will be sorta like a brighter version of the long lgf%(82) 34/41/56 combo RB just more so.

 

[Missrocks]

Date: 3/24/2008 3:41:15 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/24/2008 3:22:26 AM
Author: Missrocks

Just out of curiosity, what does the term ''better'' refer too? The problem I find with this, is beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I consider myself extremely adamant about quality and beauty, yet I slightly cringe at rounds with extreme optically symmetry, creating those prominent, dark arrows. I do not enjoy this look at all, yet it seems to appeal to most. I do have a certain combo of angles I that are most appealing to me, minus those extreme HA patterns.
Theoretically, everyone could have a different preference about what level of contrast and dispersion is most appealing. Of course there might be an agreeance that the highest light return possible is best...
If it was possible to significantly out-do the current round brilliant in light return, I could still achieve my dream of requiring people to wear sunglasses when they look at me- with diamonds in my price range!..instead of saving up for those 8 ctw diamond studs

If you don''t like dark arrows and like white light return I have a design ready too go right now that is around 14%-20% brighter than the best RB.
Getting white light return higher than an RB is easy.
What I am working on is trading as little of that brightness as possible for added dispersion and contrast for a better balanced diamond.
You and I would love the design as it is :} but it isn''t the best yet.
My goal is at first 110+% brightness 95% dispersion and 85% contrast vs a tolk.
That will be sorta like a brighter version of the long lgf%(82) 34/41/56 combo RB just more so.

Definetly a plus to get rid of those dark arrows! But I am also big on fire.. I need to see those spectoral colors, but I imagine that increasing the white light will automatically decrease fire? Sometimes I think I am looking for the impossible. Yet me know when the design is at best...I still have another year to think about what I want in a diamond stud

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/24/2008 3:51:12 AM
Author: Missrocks
Definetly a plus to get rid of those dark arrows! But I am also big on fire.. I need to see those spectoral colors, but I imagine that increasing the white light will automatically decrease fire? Sometimes I think I am looking for the impossible. Yet me know when the design is at best...I still have another year to think about what I want in a diamond stud

yea you want the impossible in an RB.. in another cut time will tell...
The tools are getting better and better and its easy for me too optimise once I understand those tools.
Right now aset and JS/black view in DC are kicken for optimising light return quickly.
IS and aset and h&a work for varies levels of contrast.
What I need too find is the right virtual environment too optimise dispersion.
Then I can quickly cycle thru them and the best will be born.
I think I'm going to have too get a better computer too get there so that's a while off.
What I really need is a virtual 10000 pin point light source. (hint hint)

 

[Ellen]

Date: 3/24/2008 3:22:26 AM
Author: Missrocks

Just out of curiosity, what does the term 'better' refer too? The problem I find with this, is beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I consider myself extremely adamant about quality and beauty, yet I slightly cringe at rounds with extreme optically symmetry, creating those prominent, dark arrows. I do not enjoy this look at all, yet it seems to appeal to most. I do have a certain combo of angles I that are most appealing to me, minus those extreme HA patterns.
Theoretically, everyone could have a different preference about what level of contrast and dispersion is most appealing. Of course there might be an agreeance that the highest light return possible is best...
If it was possible to significantly out-do the current round brilliant in light return, I could still achieve my dream of requiring people to wear sunglasses when they look at me- with diamonds in my price range!..instead of saving up for those 8 ctw diamond studs

Are you going by the photos you see on vendor sites and in the pics we take of our stones and show on here? Or have you seen some of these stones you describe in real life?

I ask because I own a round that is cut extremely tight. It has never shown its arrows as black, in any lighting situation in the 2 years I've had it. When I do get glimpses of them, they are the most beautiful light silver.

I just wanted to make sure you didn't think all the extremely well cut rounds had black arrows as they appear in pictures (which happens because light to the stone is blocked by the camera/person shooting). And you would not be the first to think that. However, there ARE some stones in real life that will do that. And I wouldn't want one of them either.

HTH!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 3/24/2008 4:27:56 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/24/2008 3:51:12 AM
Author: Missrocks
Definetly a plus to get rid of those dark arrows! But I am also big on fire.. I need to see those spectoral colors, but I imagine that increasing the white light will automatically decrease fire? Sometimes I think I am looking for the impossible. Yet me know when the design is at best...I still have another year to think about what I want in a diamond stud

yea you want the impossible in an RB.. in another cut time will tell...
The tools are getting better and better and its easy for me too optimise once I understand those tools.
Right now aset and JS/black view in DC are kicken for optimising light return quickly.
IS and aset and h&a work for varies levels of contrast.
What I need too find is the right virtual environment too optimise dispersion.
Then I can quickly cycle thru them and the best will be born.
I think I''m going to have too get a better computer too get there so that''s a while off.
What I really need is a virtual 10000 pin point light source. (hint hint)

Hmm, how is this Storm, will this be enough pin point lights for the task?
Any votes as to which diamond has the most fire - Miss Rocks, watch-ya think?

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/24/2008 12:06:34 AM
Author: Wink

Nope, not playing that game. I am talking modern round brilliant cuts, made to the highest standards, you are talking about zebras and elephants and penguins. Not even in the same discussion that we were talking about, yet you kept introducing them as if we were talking about modern round brilliant cuts. I answered a question about modern round brilliants and was mistaken in thinking you were responding about the same question.

Wink..., I just gave you an example since you involved beauty with performance (zebras and elephants!) You differentiate between modern RB’s and OEC’s based on trends and peoples opinions! Why…, I guess it fits the comfort/interest on your end of the discussion!
Fact! An OEC is purely a round brilliant…., or if you would prefer me to say “a modern round brilliant cut with an extremely small table and shorter lower girdle facets and an open or closed culet and maybe even a higher than usual crown height”
BTW…, if I was cutting rounds…, that would be the fashion I would cut them in…, even today!
Now (lets try again)…, what cut grade do you think AGS or GIA would give “me” if “I” cut (now-a- days not in the past) a round brilliant that consisted a table of 45%, a crown angle of 38 degrees, higher crown angle than 15%, a pavilion angle of 40+/- degrees and lower girdle facets length at 60%? And all that with extremely accurate symmetry!


Your discussion is for another thread in answer to another question, not this one. I stand by all of my statements as they pertain to the discussion at hand. I do not claim to be an expert or even moderately knowledgeable about the shapes and older style round brilliants you want to talk about so I will leave that discussion to those who are.

Wink

P.S. Now that I have had my nap and a good dinner, it is time for bed. Happy Easter to all those who celebrate it, and happy Sunday to those who don''t. It was a WONDERFUL day at the Wink House, with grandkids and great grandmoms and all levels of family in between. It was so good I was even in full accord with Storm on things we have disagreed with in the past and I finally figured out where DiaGem is coming from in his constant crusade against the stones I love. Now that will make for a good night''s sleep!

"...I finally figured out where DiaGem is coming from in his constant crusade against the stones I love..."

Wink..., nothing to figure out (unless you would want to share with us all what you figured out

)!
You should know me by now..., I dont get personal (as I dont know you or anyone else here on PS on a personal level) but I do tell it to the face (so again no personal crusade

)...

I feel the need to clarify one thing...

As of yet, I dont have a personal agenda or any financial interests on PS..., see the only thing I gain is "knowledge" and "satisfaction" from my participation in discussions here on PS..., you on the other hand..., have a personal agenda and financial interests in your participation on PS (I dont say its the only interests..., but it is part of the equation...)

I will even go further (please take it as a type of constructive criticism ), lately when reading your posts..., I feel as if I am reading a "PR write-out" about certain types of Diamonds..., remember..., sometimes over exposure can do the negative effect!

 

[strmrdr]

The AGS scale doesnt go that far but 38/40/45 is a bad combo...
AGS 10

 

[Missrocks]

Date: 3/24/2008 8:00:14 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 3/24/2008 3:22:26 AM
Author: Missrocks

Just out of curiosity, what does the term 'better' refer too? The problem I find with this, is beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I consider myself extremely adamant about quality and beauty, yet I slightly cringe at rounds with extreme optically symmetry, creating those prominent, dark arrows. I do not enjoy this look at all, yet it seems to appeal to most. I do have a certain combo of angles I that are most appealing to me, minus those extreme HA patterns.
Theoretically, everyone could have a different preference about what level of contrast and dispersion is most appealing. Of course there might be an agreeance that the highest light return possible is best...
If it was possible to significantly out-do the current round brilliant in light return, I could still achieve my dream of requiring people to wear sunglasses when they look at me- with diamonds in my price range!..instead of saving up for those 8 ctw diamond studs

Are you going by the photos you see on vendor sites and in the pics we take of our stones and show on here? Or have you seen some of these stones you describe in real life?

I ask because I own a round that is cut extremely tight. It has never shown its arrows as black, in any lighting situation in the 2 years I've had it. When I do get glimpses of them, they are the most beautiful light silver.

I just wanted to make sure you didn't think all the extremely well cut rounds had black arrows as they appear in pictures (which happens because light to the stone is blocked by the camera/person shooting). And you would not be the first to think that. However, there ARE some stones in real life that will do that. And I wouldn't want one of them either.

HTH!

Thanks for the concern Ellen. I am speaking of diamonds I have seen in person. I am not totally against these stones. They do look great in some lighting condtions and I do enjoy the sparkle from some angles. However, I just don't like the way they look "dead on". If we didn't have the whole "headshadow" issue, this may not be the case. I may just be staring at them a bit too close. I will also comment, these stones do appeal to me more in smaller sizes. However, get up into the two carat range, and not as appealing to me. ?? I may one day come across one with extreme HA that appeals to me or just change my mind in general....who know? Also, stones w/ slightly-off HA patterns do appeal to me. Arrows can be there, but just not super prominent. Maybe I am just wierd..

 

[Missrocks]

Date: 3/24/2008 8:46:34 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/24/2008 4:27:56 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/24/2008 3:51:12 AM
Author: Missrocks
Definetly a plus to get rid of those dark arrows! But I am also big on fire.. I need to see those spectoral colors, but I imagine that increasing the white light will automatically decrease fire? Sometimes I think I am looking for the impossible. Yet me know when the design is at best...I still have another year to think about what I want in a diamond stud

yea you want the impossible in an RB.. in another cut time will tell...
The tools are getting better and better and its easy for me too optimise once I understand those tools.
Right now aset and JS/black view in DC are kicken for optimising light return quickly.
IS and aset and h&a work for varies levels of contrast.
What I need too find is the right virtual environment too optimise dispersion.
Then I can quickly cycle thru them and the best will be born.
I think I''m going to have too get a better computer too get there so that''s a while off.
What I really need is a virtual 10000 pin point light source. (hint hint)

Hmm, how is this Storm, will this be enough pin point lights for the task?
Any votes as to which diamond has the most fire - Miss Rocks, watch-ya think?

One on right definetly is a fireball.

 

[strmrdr]

38/40.5/45/60 works and would score much higher.. note file is missnamed... 40.5 is correct.

 

[strmrdr]

ASET it loses 1 point for spread and some for contrast and brightness so AGS2-3 maybe if the scoring went that far...

 

[Ellen]

Date: 3/24/2008 1:19:36 PM
Author: Missrocks

Thanks for the concern Ellen. I am speaking of diamonds I have seen in person. I am not totally against these stones. They do look great in some lighting condtions and I do enjoy the sparkle from some angles. However, I just don''t like the way they look ''dead on''. If we didn''t have the whole ''headshadow'' issue, this may not be the case. I may just be staring at them a bit too close. I will also comment, these stones do appeal to me more in smaller sizes. However, get up into the two carat range, and not as appealing to me. ?? I may one day come across one with extreme HA that appeals to me or just change my mind in general....who know?

Keep looking, there are stones out there that don''t do this. My 34/41 (1.4) can''t look black no matter how close I look. It just can''t be done.

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/24/2008 1:12:59 PM
Author: strmrdr
The AGS scale doesnt go that far but 38/40/45 is a bad combo...
AGS 10

Could be..., I was just throwing some #''s around..., but it can still be considered a beauty to some....

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 3/24/2008 1:23:42 PM
Author: Missrocks

Date: 3/24/2008 8:46:34 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/24/2008 4:27:56 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/24/2008 3:51:12 AM
Author: Missrocks
Definetly a plus to get rid of those dark arrows! But I am also big on fire.. I need to see those spectoral colors, but I imagine that increasing the white light will automatically decrease fire? Sometimes I think I am looking for the impossible. Yet me know when the design is at best...I still have another year to think about what I want in a diamond stud

yea you want the impossible in an RB.. in another cut time will tell...
The tools are getting better and better and its easy for me too optimise once I understand those tools.
Right now aset and JS/black view in DC are kicken for optimising light return quickly.
IS and aset and h&a work for varies levels of contrast.
What I need too find is the right virtual environment too optimise dispersion.
Then I can quickly cycle thru them and the best will be born.
I think I''m going to have too get a better computer too get there so that''s a while off.
What I really need is a virtual 10000 pin point light source. (hint hint)

Hmm, how is this Storm, will this be enough pin point lights for the task?
Any votes as to which diamond has the most fire - Miss Rocks, watch-ya think?

One on right definetly is a fireball.

Well Miss Rocks it also has no nasty dark arrows because the sym is all over the place!

It was a 2.04 E VVS that I had recut to E IF, but to do that the symmetry had to be killed. The other stone is a proprietary brand super ideal stone that is meant to be particularly firey. At larger sizes still than this it is arguable as to if top symmetry is a negative.

Here are the ideal-scope images for each

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/24/2008 3:40:17 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/24/2008 1:23:42 PM
Author: Missrocks

Date: 3/24/2008 8:46:34 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/24/2008 4:27:56 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/24/2008 3:51:12 AM
Author: Missrocks
Definetly a plus to get rid of those dark arrows! But I am also big on fire.. I need to see those spectoral colors, but I imagine that increasing the white light will automatically decrease fire? Sometimes I think I am looking for the impossible. Yet me know when the design is at best...I still have another year to think about what I want in a diamond stud

yea you want the impossible in an RB.. in another cut time will tell...
The tools are getting better and better and its easy for me too optimise once I understand those tools.
Right now aset and JS/black view in DC are kicken for optimising light return quickly.
IS and aset and h&a work for varies levels of contrast.
What I need too find is the right virtual environment too optimise dispersion.
Then I can quickly cycle thru them and the best will be born.
I think I''m going to have too get a better computer too get there so that''s a while off.
What I really need is a virtual 10000 pin point light source. (hint hint)

Hmm, how is this Storm, will this be enough pin point lights for the task?
Any votes as to which diamond has the most fire - Miss Rocks, watch-ya think?

One on right definetly is a fireball.

Well Miss Rocks it also has no nasty dark arrows because the sym is all over the place!

It was a 2.04 E VVS that I had recut to E IF, but to do that the symmetry had to be killed. The other stone is a proprietary brand super ideal stone that is meant to be particularly firey. At larger sizes still than this it is arguable as to if top symmetry is a negative.

Here are the ideal-scope images for each

Hey Garry...., I love the one on the right with the mishmash of colors..., more character less uniformed appearance...
To bad they dont look like it without the pinpoints...

 

[Missrocks]

Date: 3/24/2008 3:40:17 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/24/2008 1:23:42 PM
Author: Missrocks

Date: 3/24/2008 8:46:34 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/24/2008 4:27:56 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/24/2008 3:51:12 AM
Author: Missrocks
Definetly a plus to get rid of those dark arrows! But I am also big on fire.. I need to see those spectoral colors, but I imagine that increasing the white light will automatically decrease fire? Sometimes I think I am looking for the impossible. Yet me know when the design is at best...I still have another year to think about what I want in a diamond stud

yea you want the impossible in an RB.. in another cut time will tell...
The tools are getting better and better and its easy for me too optimise once I understand those tools.
Right now aset and JS/black view in DC are kicken for optimising light return quickly.
IS and aset and h&a work for varies levels of contrast.
What I need too find is the right virtual environment too optimise dispersion.
Then I can quickly cycle thru them and the best will be born.
I think I'm going to have too get a better computer too get there so that's a while off.
What I really need is a virtual 10000 pin point light source. (hint hint)

Hmm, how is this Storm, will this be enough pin point lights for the task?
Any votes as to which diamond has the most fire - Miss Rocks, watch-ya think?

One on right definetly is a fireball.

Well Miss Rocks it also has no nasty dark arrows because the sym is all over the place!

It was a 2.04 E VVS that I had recut to E IF, but to do that the symmetry had to be killed. The other stone is a proprietary brand super ideal stone that is meant to be particularly firey. At larger sizes still than this it is arguable as to if top symmetry is a negative.

Here are the ideal-scope images for each

I am starting to wonder if everyone thinks I'm crazy..LOL. While the one on the right is a fireball, I fear I may not like it as much in real life,..may look a little to "pinfire-y" (for lack of better wording).
Some of the most appealing to me have been near perfect HA stones.So not strongly visable arrows but not quite that pinfire-y look you will get with the lack of symmetry or longer lgf's
Please feel free to comment if this statement sounds weird.

I get the impression Garry thinks a) I haven't seen enough extreme symmetry stones to judge... Or b) I have a strange perception of beauty...LOL

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 3/24/2008 4:50:39 PM
Author: Missrocks

Date: 3/24/2008 3:40:17 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/24/2008 1:23:42 PM
Author: Missrocks

One on right definetly is a fireball.

Well Miss Rocks it also has no nasty dark arrows because the sym is all over the place!

It was a 2.04 E VVS that I had recut to E IF, but to do that the symmetry had to be killed. The other stone is a proprietary brand super ideal stone that is meant to be particularly firey. At larger sizes still than this it is arguable as to if top symmetry is a negative.

Here are the ideal-scope images for each

I am starting to wonder if everyone thinks I''m crazy..LOL. While the one on the right is a fireball, I fear I may not like it as much in real life,..may look a little to ''pinfire-y'' (for lack of better wording).
Some of the most appealing to me have been near perfect HA stones.So not strongly visable arrows but not quite that pinfire-y look you will get with the lack of symmetry or longer lgf''s
Please feel free to comment if this statement sounds weird.

I get the impression Garry thinks a) I haven''t seen enough extreme symmetry stones to judge... Or b) I have a strange perception of beauty...LOL

I am not making any judgements at all about your perfect right to preferences MissRocks

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/24/2008 4:50:39 PM
Author: Missrocks


I am starting to wonder if everyone thinks I''m crazy..LOL. While the one on the right is a fireball, I fear I may not like it as much in real life,..may look a little to ''pinfire-y'' (for lack of better wording).
Some of the most appealing to me have been near perfect HA stones.So not strongly visable arrows but not quite that pinfire-y look you will get with the lack of symmetry or longer lgf''s
Please feel free to comment if this statement sounds weird.

I get the impression Garry thinks a) I haven''t seen enough extreme symmetry stones to judge... Or b) I have a strange perception of beauty...LOL

LOL..., the stranger the better sometimes...

Especially in RB''s..., I like hearing people going against the stream...

 

[oldminer]

An Ideal cut diamond is a beautiful, well cut diamond. A Super Ideal generally has a Brand name and a Premium in the price which you are asked to pay. It is also a beautiful, well cut diamond.

The differences among the "best" cut and highly beautiful diamonds are those which you judge for yourself. We can give you all the guidance in technical and marketing terms, but the consumer is the best and final judge of the purchase. We should all be pleased that our science and scrutiny has not yet taken that final and important choice away from consumers. I hope it never will.

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/25/2008 8:51:49 AM
Author: oldminer
An Ideal cut diamond is a beautiful, well cut diamond. A Super Ideal generally has a Brand name and a Premium in the price which you are asked to pay. It is also a beautiful, well cut diamond.

The differences among the ''best'' cut and highly beautiful diamonds are those which you judge for yourself. We can give you all the guidance in technical and marketing terms, but the consumer is the best and final judge of the purchase. We should all be pleased that our science and scrutiny has not yet taken that final and important choice away from consumers. I hope it never will.

Oh..., me tooooo!!