Idealscope photos - looking for advice

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/30/2008 5:03:03 PM
Author: msdracky
Thanks Kelli...I bet dance is a fun & challenging art form and I do think us ''artists'' tend to be a bit over the top when it comes to getting things just right ...but I don''t think that is such a bad quality to possess!

Yeah, our stone is really on the border and like Garry said, if we keep it clean it should be fine. That being said, my understanding with GIA specs is that there can be a .2 range within their stated measurements so even though the pavillion angle is on the report as 41...it could actually be anywhere from 40.8 to 41.2. If it is the lower number then that''s good, but if it is the higher number, well, you know what that could mean in terms of diminished light performance. Maybe someone out there can confirm or deny this rounding of numbers that GIA supposedly does?

Cute animals msd

I just got time to model your stone in Diamcalc.
Technically it only needs 0.01ct removed from the pavilion - and request the same longish lower girdles (to keep the right balance for a small table and steepish crown angle (FIC).
In practicality it will probably loose 0.02ct - but it should be easily maintained over 1.20ct. Aim for a pavilion angle of 40.4-40.5 degrees.

 

[msdracky]

Hi Garry,

Thank you for the re-cutting suggestions!

Can you recommend a world-class cutter who would be able to make these slight changes? I contacted WF and they are currently not re-cutting any diamonds. They may start up again with this service in Feb.''09. Do you happen to know approximately how much this type of re-cut might cost? Thanks again!

 

[Savvymon]

I love your animal sculptures

they''re great! The cats are just delightfull!

 

[msdracky]

Thank you!!

My brother & I have a lot of fun creating them

 

[Kelli]

Date: 12/30/2008 7:06:26 PM
Author: msdracky
Hi Garry,

Thank you for the re-cutting suggestions!

Can you recommend a world-class cutter who would be able to make these slight changes? I contacted WF and they are currently not re-cutting any diamonds. They may start up again with this service in Feb.'09. Do you happen to know approximately how much this type of re-cut might cost? Thanks again!

Garry's suggestion sounds wonderful! I just wanted to let you know, though, when I suggested this same thing to "Brian the cutter" at WF, he wasn't comfortable with the idea. He wanted to reduce the crown angles also, which resulted in more weight loss. I was fine with it because he said it still wouldn't be much of a diameter loss, and I had already seen so many examples of his work that I trusted him to do whatever he thought. The original 1.44 looked surprisingly enormous on my finger anyway and I decided I didn't mind a little weight loss. As thrilled as I am with the results, it may have been great with just a pavilion repolish too. I just wanted to let you know because it would be a shame for you to wait for February only to find out that WF didn't want to do just the pavilion repolish. I did read that Brian is no longer there anyway so I'm not sure if that would still be the same, but it was just a thought I had when read your response.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/30/2008 10:31:37 PM
Author: Kelli

Date: 12/30/2008 7:06:26 PM
Author: msdracky
Hi Garry,

Thank you for the re-cutting suggestions!

Can you recommend a world-class cutter who would be able to make these slight changes? I contacted WF and they are currently not re-cutting any diamonds. They may start up again with this service in Feb.''09. Do you happen to know approximately how much this type of re-cut might cost? Thanks again!

Garry''s suggestion sounds wonderful! I just wanted to let you know, though, when I suggested this same thing to ''Brian the cutter'' at WF, he wasn''t comfortable with the idea. He wanted to reduce the crown angles also, which resulted in more weight loss. I was fine with it because he said it still wouldn''t be much of a diameter loss, and I had already seen so many examples of his work that I trusted him to do whatever he thought. The original 1.44 looked surprisingly enormous on my finger anyway and I decided I didn''t mind a little weight loss. As thrilled as I am with the results, it may have been great with just a pavilion repolish too. I just wanted to let you know because it would be a shame for you to wait for February only to find out that WF didn''t want to do just the pavilion repolish. I did read that Brian is no longer there anyway so I''m not sure if that would still be the same, but it was just a thought I had when read your response.

Strange, but now that Brian is not at WF, maybe they would do as I suggest?
There is no reason on earth to reduce the crown angle - this can be easily compensated for by a lower then usual pavilion angle.
This will reduce the weight loss.
There is also no reason to touch the diameter.
And repolishing the pavilion only will cost less.

Somoene suggested Bill Bray - get him via www.brayscore.com - he posts here from time to time and is a gentleman and I believe he is very good at his craft.

 

[msdracky]

ok...thanks Garry...I''ll give Bill a call tomorrow.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/30/2008 11:57:41 PM
Author: msdracky
ok...thanks Garry...I''ll give Bill a call tomorrow.

please let us know on this same thread what the outcome is MSD

 

[msdracky]

Ok...will do!

 

[Rhino]

Date: 12/30/2008 11:10:02 AM
Author: strmrdr
no way would I recut it.
The performance should be just fine and you would gain little in a recut, maybe a couple percent.
The small amount of partial leakage would be covered up by a 2 eye view.
If you would lose money on changing then dont, keep it and be happy it is better than 98% of diamonds out there.

Good advice here msdracky.

The optical symmetry, while it doesn''t look tops, is good enough to impact the light performance positively. I''d concur with strm in the sense that this is not worth recutting.

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Date: 12/30/2008 11:04:56 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/30/2008 10:31:37 PM
Author: Kelli

Date: 12/30/2008 7:06:26 PM
Author: msdracky
Hi Garry,

Thank you for the re-cutting suggestions!

Can you recommend a world-class cutter who would be able to make these slight changes? I contacted WF and they are currently not re-cutting any diamonds. They may start up again with this service in Feb.''09. Do you happen to know approximately how much this type of re-cut might cost? Thanks again!

Garry''s suggestion sounds wonderful! I just wanted to let you know, though, when I suggested this same thing to ''Brian the cutter'' at WF, he wasn''t comfortable with the idea. He wanted to reduce the crown angles also, which resulted in more weight loss. I was fine with it because he said it still wouldn''t be much of a diameter loss, and I had already seen so many examples of his work that I trusted him to do whatever he thought. The original 1.44 looked surprisingly enormous on my finger anyway and I decided I didn''t mind a little weight loss. As thrilled as I am with the results, it may have been great with just a pavilion repolish too. I just wanted to let you know because it would be a shame for you to wait for February only to find out that WF didn''t want to do just the pavilion repolish. I did read that Brian is no longer there anyway so I''m not sure if that would still be the same, but it was just a thought I had when read your response.

Strange, but now that Brian is not at WF, maybe they would do as I suggest?
There is no reason on earth to reduce the crown angle - this can be easily compensated for by a lower then usual pavilion angle.
This will reduce the weight loss.
There is also no reason to touch the diameter.
And repolishing the pavilion only will cost less.

Somoene suggested Bill Bray - get him via www.brayscore.com - he posts here from time to time and is a gentleman and I believe he is very good at his craft.

Garry, as a friend, may I ask you not to give such definite advise on a complicated matter like re-cutting based upon very limited information and without physically examining the stone? Your comment that your advise is better than Brian''s (who actually had the stone in hand) is inappropriate.

As far as re-cutting goes, it is highly unusual to find the perfect conditions in which you can do a proper re-cut by touching the pavilion only.

Live long,

 

[Serg]

Date: 1/7/2009 6:51:09 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp

Date: 12/30/2008 11:04:56 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 12/30/2008 10:31:37 PM
Author: Kelli

Date: 12/30/2008 7:06:26 PM
Author: msdracky
Hi Garry,

Thank you for the re-cutting suggestions!

Can you recommend a world-class cutter who would be able to make these slight changes? I contacted WF and they are currently not re-cutting any diamonds. They may start up again with this service in Feb.''09. Do you happen to know approximately how much this type of re-cut might cost? Thanks again!

Garry''s suggestion sounds wonderful! I just wanted to let you know, though, when I suggested this same thing to ''Brian the cutter'' at WF, he wasn''t comfortable with the idea. He wanted to reduce the crown angles also, which resulted in more weight loss. I was fine with it because he said it still wouldn''t be much of a diameter loss, and I had already seen so many examples of his work that I trusted him to do whatever he thought. The original 1.44 looked surprisingly enormous on my finger anyway and I decided I didn''t mind a little weight loss. As thrilled as I am with the results, it may have been great with just a pavilion repolish too. I just wanted to let you know because it would be a shame for you to wait for February only to find out that WF didn''t want to do just the pavilion repolish. I did read that Brian is no longer there anyway so I''m not sure if that would still be the same, but it was just a thought I had when read your response.

Strange, but now that Brian is not at WF, maybe they would do as I suggest?
There is no reason on earth to reduce the crown angle - this can be easily compensated for by a lower then usual pavilion angle.
This will reduce the weight loss.
There is also no reason to touch the diameter.
And repolishing the pavilion only will cost less.

Somoene suggested Bill Bray - get him via www.brayscore.com - he posts here from time to time and is a gentleman and I believe he is very good at his craft.

Garry, as a friend, may I ask you not to give such definite advise on a complicated matter like re-cutting based upon very limited information and without physically examining the stone? Your comment that your advise is better than Brian''s (who actually had the stone in hand) is inappropriate.

As far as re-cutting goes, it is highly unusual to find the perfect conditions in which you can do a proper re-cut by touching the pavilion only.

Live long,

re:Your comment that your advise is better than Brian''s (who actually had the stone in hand) is inappropriate.


why?

As far as re-cutting goes, it is highly unusual to find the perfect conditions in which you can do a proper re-cut by touching the pavilion only.

Why?