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we got this guy. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4041970176/tt0088247
he'll take care of those dirty politicians.
he'll take care of those dirty politicians.
Illinois Governor Blagojevich arrested
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Uh...Storm? This is the United States. We never have to prove that we didn't commit a crime. How would one go about proving such a thing anyway? But given that the Governor was calling him a "motherf*cker" and complaining that all Mr. Obama was offering was his gratitude, it certainly doesn't sound as if they were in on anything together!!!
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Date: 12/10/2008 10:48:21 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 12/10/2008 10:38:37 PM
Author: AGBF
R/A, you have no business being snide. President-elect Obama had nothing to do with the alleged crimes of the Illinois governor and does not need to defend himself against them. How dare you attempt to tarnish him? I suggest that instead of wasting your time attempting to malign President-elect Obama that you go post a lot of questions about the Illinois governor on a site for President Bush to answer. The questions would be equally relevant if put to him as they would be if put to President-elect Obama since neither man was implicated in any crime! And shame on you!!!
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Hasn''t been proven that he didn''t have anything to do with it.
They are both the product of the same Chicago political machine.
Obama has supported him on many occasions.
People can whine and cry all they want but there are some ties there, just how many isn''t known yet.
Are Obama and Blago tied in some way? Of course. How could they not be??? And does it make you guilty if you are associated with someone who committed a crime? BTW, the US attorney said that Obama is not implicated in Blago''s wrongdoings. But I guess that is not proof. Ever heard about innocent until proven guilty??
I think that all of these insinuations are pure speculation at this point ... so pretty distateful and useless.
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Deb, I''m seeing more and more of a real contempt for that concept of "innocent until proven guilty" these days... That seems a cause for a bit of alarm, to me, since it is just about the single most important underpinning of our legal system.Date: 12/11/2008 4:47:21 AM
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Uh...Storm? This is the United States. We never have to prove that we didn''t commit a crime. How would one go about proving such a thing anyway? But given that the Governor was calling him a ''motherf*cker'' and complaining that all Mr. Obama was offering was his gratitude, it certainly doesn''t sound as if they were in on anything together!!!
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While I presume Obama is smart emough to kept himself clean from this guy''s dirt, there is plenty there to ask the questions. http://minx.cc/?post=279535 . One of the other websites I linked is supposedly Obama''s transition ask the tough questions website, but they won''t permit questions about Blago. Transparence and Change indeed!
Many Obama-ites think BHO has impeccable judgement and values (e.g. the RIGHT way in an earlier post). We will find out he is just a regular politician. He was one of Blago''s strategy guys for Blago''s gubernatorial election. He knows this guy VERY well and probably chose to do nothing all those years he witnessed his deplorable conduct - the smart thing for political gain in Chicago. Now that BHO doesn''t need Blago he is oh so bravely coming out and calling for him to step down. That''s really going out on a limb - after the Feds are after the guy. Too funny.
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Actually, I don''t presume anything about the Mr. Obama''s integrity out of the ordinary for how I look at public figures. It is a fair to ask questions. However, what bothers me is how people jump to conclusions based just on a question or an allegation (and often allegations are made as part of a smear campaing).
I have no problem with people or news organizations just stating that there is a question of how much Mr. Obama knew or was involved. Great question.... Perhaps we''ll get a good answer as all the evidence comes out, perhaps not.
I do have problems with people who allege that Mr. Obama was involved. That is implying something to likely create a false image.
I have a worse problem with people who then assume that Mr. Obama was involved based on the fact that it is alleged that he was involved on some level.
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Didn''t say he directly had anything to do with it but when one politician gets caught all those around him get a look.
What I was protesting is the attitude of he is Oboma so he couldn''t have known.
Only an idiot would not have known Blagojevich was dirty if they had anything to do with IL politics.
A lot of people in IL were taking bets on when he would go to jail and if it would before his term ends or after.
I suspect Obama was smart enough to keep his own hands out of it.
But I wouldn''t be surprised to see one of his aids go down in flames.
It hasn''t been proven one way or another.
Blagojevich is crazy enough to start singing to try and get out of the boiling water so I expect dozens of arrests over the next year.
I bet at least one will be close to Obama.
What I was protesting is the attitude of he is Oboma so he couldn''t have known.
Only an idiot would not have known Blagojevich was dirty if they had anything to do with IL politics.
A lot of people in IL were taking bets on when he would go to jail and if it would before his term ends or after.
I suspect Obama was smart enough to keep his own hands out of it.
But I wouldn''t be surprised to see one of his aids go down in flames.
It hasn''t been proven one way or another.
Blagojevich is crazy enough to start singing to try and get out of the boiling water so I expect dozens of arrests over the next year.
I bet at least one will be close to Obama.
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But nonetheless, expected.Date: 12/11/2008 4:50:00 AM
Author: rob09
Date: 12/10/2008 10:48:21 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 12/10/2008 10:38:37 PM
Author: AGBF
R/A, you have no business being snide. President-elect Obama had nothing to do with the alleged crimes of the Illinois governor and does not need to defend himself against them. How dare you attempt to tarnish him? I suggest that instead of wasting your time attempting to malign President-elect Obama that you go post a lot of questions about the Illinois governor on a site for President Bush to answer. The questions would be equally relevant if put to him as they would be if put to President-elect Obama since neither man was implicated in any crime! And shame on you!!!
Deborah
Hasn''t been proven that he didn''t have anything to do with it.
They are both the product of the same Chicago political machine.
Obama has supported him on many occasions.
People can whine and cry all they want but there are some ties there, just how many isn''t known yet.
Are Obama and Blago tied in some way? Of course. How could they not be??? And does it make you guilty if you are associated with someone who committed a crime? BTW, the US attorney said that Obama is not implicated in Blago''s wrongdoings. But I guess that is not proof. Ever heard about innocent until proven guilty??
I think that all of these insinuations are pure speculation at this point ... so pretty distateful and useless.
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This just in: Reported future sales of pitchforks and drums could be down as much as 90% in the first quarter of 2009.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/23/report-obamas-aide-spoke-blagojevich/
An internal review from Barack Obama's transition team released Tuesday shows that the president-elect's chief of staff had a number of conversations with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his top aide, but that there was "no indication of inappropriate discussions" regarding the governor's alleged attempts to sell Obama's U.S. Senate seat.
Craig, who conducted the internal review at Obama's request, found that the president-elect had no contact with Blagojevich or any of his staff about the Senate seat he vacated to take over the presidency.
I really hope the sharks will find something else to circle now.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/23/report-obamas-aide-spoke-blagojevich/
An internal review from Barack Obama's transition team released Tuesday shows that the president-elect's chief of staff had a number of conversations with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his top aide, but that there was "no indication of inappropriate discussions" regarding the governor's alleged attempts to sell Obama's U.S. Senate seat.
Craig, who conducted the internal review at Obama's request, found that the president-elect had no contact with Blagojevich or any of his staff about the Senate seat he vacated to take over the presidency.
I really hope the sharks will find something else to circle now.
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Soooo. Obama''s newly appointed attorney (GregCraig - bonus points to his Mom for syllabic efficiency) said that his new boss, the President-Elect, is clean? Seriously? Since when you do believe your kids when they grade their own papers?
I''m sure Obama is reasonably clean, but don''t patronize us with the "we looked into it ourselves and everything is okey dokey" crap. Obama''s JUDGEMENT is the thing we should be questioning and why he would support such a turd (until it became politically impossible for him to do so). I''m talking about the Blago of several years ago, not the Senate seat in particular. Either Obama isn''t astitute enough to pick up on the not-so subtle signals Blago was well-know for OR Obama turned a blind eye. Either way it doesn''t speak much for his character or character judgement. Both of which one hopes the Pres has in spades.
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If the teacher already looked at the paper, and will be letting me know what the real grade is, I seriously doubt they would lie, yanno? I doubt that the PE and co. want to possibly face purjory, but I could be wrong!
As for supporting Blago in the beginning, lots of people did, not just Obama. As to how much they did or didn't know about him at that point, who knows, but let's not be naive here. Politics are politics, just about wherever you go. There are always "favors/back scratching" to be done, and this is commonly known/accepted, Blago just crossed the line with this senate seat. How long he's been doing this pay for play thing I don't know, but he's been under scrutiny for a while. And Obama hasn't had much to do with him in a while (until now, nor apparently has just about anybody else), and that is commonly known as well. It would not be an unreasonable assumption that Blago didn't show/develop his true colors until sometime into the game. Having to deal with him now was inevitable, and the speculation surrounding it is rediculous, imo.
Funny you bring up having good judgement, good character, good character judgement. Yes, one would hope the president retains all these qualities, but as our sitting president so clearly illustrates, it's certainly not a mandate.
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