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Dreamgirl

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Just a few quick notes before I tell you why Im upset:
For those who don’t know, we have been together for 10 years but spent the first year LDR because we were young (17) and still both in high school. So we would send each other stuff in the mail and talk online, the phone and send emails to each other. Well, I printed out EVERY email he ever sent me when we were apart. I have a very thick thick book with emails it’s about 6 inches thick! And its AMAZING to look back at because they are like love letters. I even have it pulled out of the bookshelf on my floor that I was looking at a few weeks ago and even showed him some things in it. I kept pretty much EVERYTHING he ever sent me (including wrapping paper from my first Christmas gift from him.) So he kept stuff too including emails (which he has in a folder, not a book…) and other things as well.

Now to why Im upset and hurt:
So we were watching tv everything was going great and I took my rings off to put some lotion on. So he picks up the one ring and is looking at it and tells me he heard that women are having these parties where they are melting down their gold and getting money right on the spot. So I said “I wouldn’t do that because these rings mean a lot to me. Even though I wont be wearing them forever (after I get my engagement ring, I wont wear these other rings I wear now) they hold a lot of sentimental value to me.” So he smiles and then we even had a short discussion about the band on the engagement ring I like and how it’s unique looking. So we continue with our wonderful evening…

Then before he leaves to go home, he has this old “student planner” that I sent him when I was in high school (10 years ago.) I actually wrote stuff in almost every page. When you open the cover it says “the word LOVE has been written in this book 200 times!” In the back of the book I wrote a 2 page story about how we met and how lucky I am. I traced my hand and wrote that I couldn’t wait until we held hands (because we were LDR.) I mean, this book has a lot of value to it…right? Well, he ended up sending me his high school “student planner” with the same sort of stuff in it 10 years ago as well (which I still have.)

ANYWAY, I said “OOOO I remember this!!” and he has the nerve to tell me “Yeah, I was wondering if you wanted it or if I should just throw it out because I really don’t have room for it.” I couldn’t believe he said that!!!! It’s literally like a 4x6 little book!!!! And he has his OWN condo and I just have one room where I live. So I say “WHAT!? You don’t want to keep this book?”
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Him “Not really. It’s just a planner. It’s old. If we keep everything we ever had, we wouldn’t have room for anything else” So Im hurt now and said “Fine, if it doesn’t mean anything to you, then it doesn’t mean anything to me! Did you even look at it? (he said yes) It has a lot of stuff I wrote in it, it has my hand drawn in there. You don’t want to keep this to look back at?”
And I chucked it into the trash and walked up the stairs. He isn’t coming upstairs yet and I walk back down to see what he’s doing. He’s got the book and he’s looking at it and I said “What are you doing? Why are you looking at that? You told me you didn’t want it” and he says “Well, your just going to throw it away?” I say “Well, that’s what you want isn’t it?” So then he gets upset for some reason and sticks it in his bag to take home and I said “What are you doing? You said you didn’t want it, give it to me” and he says “Well what are you going to do throw it away?” and I said “Why do you care? Yes Im going to throw it away!”
So then he’s leaving and we are outside and I told him how this hurt me a lot (and Im starting to cry)
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and I told him “I feel like this is how you think of me. Just something you can toss out. And did you choose to throw the old emails as well?” Him “No, I didn’t. I just don’t understand why you want to keep that thing.” I told him “Well, I have yours and it means a lot to me. I still have everything. Why would you ever want to get rid of something like this from our first year together. It’s something wonderful to look back on. It just doesn’t matter to you anymore” So he tells me that Im TOO SENTIMENTAL but go ahead and keep it then.

And then he left. So I brought the book to work today and I reading what I wrote in the back of the book and I don’t even know if he really looked in it again because there is NO WAY we could throw this thing out. But just the fact that he gave it to me and told me that and now I have it makes me think that he just doesn’t care!!!!!!!! And even after I told him about my rings and all that. And he knows I have that book of emails pulled out that I showed him a couple weeks ago……arrrrrg Im mad!
Thanks for listening to the vent. I had to tell someone about it. Im just really upset and hurt by this. ……
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((((((HUGS))))))))

I''m sorry that happened. That must have really hurt.

Guys will NEVER understand why women hold on to the stuff they do. From my HS boyfriend, I held on to every movie stub from our first date and forward. I put ever stub, picture, every everything from everything we ever did in a scrap book, and didn''t get rid of it until 2 years after we broke up, and I was a year into dating FF. lol
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Women really love to look back, I even look back on bad memories.

I''m sure you know that he loves you very much and doesnt view you as disposable. Maybe he likes making new memories with you, instead of just looking back on the old ones. Besides, you have to keep guys looking forward, that way they see engagement rings.
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I absolutely would have felt the same way, you''re not too sentimental, you''re just you, and he loves you for that!
 
for a minute there i thought that he maybe was proposing in the planner...
 
sorry to hear that you''re upset Dreamgirl! Honestly, and this is a generalization of course, it''s a man thing. D didn''t keep any letters that I wrote etc but I''ve kept all of his. They don''t tend to understand why we keep this stuff and it''s not a reflection on how he feels for you at all. You guys are looking at rings so you know that he loves you. Men just see that they need some space in their room and it''s either a folder of letters that get binned or some computer games get shifted out-guess which one loses out. Try not to be too upset.
 
I''m sorry he was so insensitive about it.
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If he knew it meant that much to you, I''m sure he wouldn''t have said what he did.

I can kind of understand where he was coming from, though. I do not keep "stuff" (I mean, I have a box of letters, but that is seriously it). Does this mean I''m not sentimental? No, of course not. But to my mind, I have the memories in my head and that means way more than anything I could look at. After 10 years, maybe he thought that the memory of that time was enough so he didn''t need to keep the physical stuff.

Then again, I''m like the biggest anti-packrat ever. Clutter drives me up the wall.
 
Honey...no. He doesn''t care about the planner.

I''m sure he cares that he hurt you. I bet he was reading it to try to see why it was so important to you. But you''ve been together for 10 years. You guys have grown so much from where you started, I can see where he might want to focus less on the past and more on the present and the future. If things are important to you, keep them, but don''t expect all of the same things to be important to him.

I keep things that remind me of special times with BF. Movie ticket stubs, concert tickets, etc. Eventually they end up getting thrown out when it stops being what I need to remember how amazing it was. I had out Rolling Stones tickets for ages, until I realized that I didn''t need it to remember how special that night was. I need to hold on to things for a while, and then the specifics of it don''t matter, and just the memory is enough. Maybe your BF is the same way.

I''m sorry you''re feeling hurt, though. That''s never fun, especially when the person you love and trust most is the one that hurt you.
 
I''m so sorry that you''re feeling hurt honey, but really, don''t take it personally. It''s a guy thing, they just don''t get what these things are special to many women. Assuming this is an isolated incident I certainly wouldn''t extrapolate that YOU are tossable to him simply because he doesn''t want to keep a 10 year old planner. But he SHOULD care that he hurt you even if he doesn''t understand why.
 
SO and I tend to keep everything with memories of us in them too, including items, books, letters etc. He doesn''t "get it" as much as I do but I think it''s just a guy thing. Try not to be too hurt!
 
 
Sweetie, don''t let it get under your skin. He loves you. He''s spent 10 years with you, and plans to spend the rest of his life with you as well. He probably doesn''t see why a planner from 10 years ago is important compared to that. I have NO DOUBT he meant no offense to you with his comments, and possibly was so confused at the time, trying to figure out why you care so much about an old planner, that he didn''t realize the best way to handle the situation. Hope you feel better now, sweetheart!
 
 
I''m sorry you are so hurt by this.

Cut him a little slack on this one. I honestly do not think he ties you into the objects he possesses. If you like to save all these notes and e-mails that is your sentimental attachment. Not his. When I toss cards from FI (and yes, I do throw them out because I''m just not a scrapbook gal) he never thinks it is indicative of how I feel about him and vice versa when he tosses things from me. Try and take comfort in the fact that your boyfriend''s behavior is typical to most men and even though I do not even know you as a couple I feel 100% confident that his actions were in no way meant as a reflection of how he values you.
 
If that convo went down the way you described it you sounded like a petulant teenager. That was then. This is NOW. Some of us just aren''t into saving every little thing. Sure it was mega meaningful to you, but you got snippy with him and went from A to Z in a 5 minute convo. "If you don''t keep this = you don''t love me". It''s been a day now. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? It sounded that way to him too.

Please respect the fact that he is entitled to decide ON HIS OWN what he chooses to make meaningful and what is just stuff. Those choices have NOTHING to do with how he values your relationship or you, they have to do with how he values stuff. Try not to get that confused and all will be well
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I don''t think he meant anything by it, he is probably just thinking its old and why keep it. Men have little sentimental attachment to things, things come and go and they get tossed along the way. I think he is just being absent minded.

I also think the stress of being an LIW is getting to you...take a spa day...and make him pay for it.
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Date: 10/9/2008 1:01:07 PM
Author: neatfreak
I'm so sorry that you're feeling hurt honey, but really, don't take it personally. It's a guy thing, they just don't get what these things are special to many women. Assuming this is an isolated incident I certainly wouldn't extrapolate that YOU are tossable to him simply because he doesn't want to keep a 10 year old planner. But he SHOULD care that he hurt you even if he doesn't understand why.
Exactly. He doesn't get it. But he does love you.

Guys are weird. To him, its an old planner. To you its memories. But again, to him, its just an old planner that he can't use. My BF got a small (BRAND NEW) journal from me a few weeks ago--one to write reminders in so he could remember all the things he needs to do in a given week (I told you he's ADHD right?
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). That boy dropped it, and left it in the rain for me to find the next morning. My point is, important or not, he still forgot! We see things differently...and so do most couples.

He does not think you're disposable, so don't make him pay for that, but do let him make it up to you for making you cry! hehe. He loves you Dream, you know that! But again, he's a boy > it can't be helped.
 
Date: 10/9/2008 1:54:19 PM
Author: ~*Alexis*~
I also think the stress of being an LIW is getting to you...take a spa day...and make him pay for it.
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Dream I agree with this also. Its getting to you a bit. I know its getting to me again, but I won''t go there (grrr).
 
I''m sorry you are hurting, and I understand the sentimentality of keeping things form a relationship, but I think you started a fight with your boyfriend for no good reason, or you have a reason outside of this planner debacle. If you feel like your relationship is "tossable" to him, then express that feeling and think about why you actually feel that. How does he treat you? What sorts of things does he say to you? What does he say about your future together?

Because honestly, I can''t see how throwing out a ten year old planner with teenaged love notes is indicative of throwing your relationship away. I think I would keep it because I''m like that, but when is the last time he looked at it? Why should he keep something around if he doesn''t ever look at it?

I think the fact that he asked you if you would like to have it instead of just throwing it out without a thought (like most men would do) shows that he cares about you and recognizes your need for "stuff". However, loving you doesn''t mean he has to value the stuff too. And he has a good point... if you intend to spend the rest of your lives together, you''ll have to get a storage place just to hold all the stuff you''ll accumulate.
 
Ok....ok...Im feeling better now with my PS support team here!
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And now that I've had time to think about it (and hear what everyone has to say) has made me think that he didn't mean anything by it (he's just a guy and in the back of my head I knew that but just needed to hear it from someone else) and I do tend to be a drama queen.
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ha! (Im sure some of you already know that about me!) But I thank everyone for the support!!!

gwen- Thank you! I think you are exactly right!

princess- LOL! The two of you sound like the two of us.....

KTF- Your right. Thank you!

purrfectpair- I guess I couldn't help but have a moment of "HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO ME" reaction when he said that to me......
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Alexis- I think that is what he was thinking. At least he asked me though......

Bia- HEY girl! I haven't seen you in a while! lol your comment is funny but SO, SO true!
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Guilty- We don't actually have a reason outside of the planner issue. I just felt hurt immediately and sort of freaked out there and then still felt hurt after. But you are right about him asking me if I wanted it. I think Id be more upset if he threw it out and then told me sometime there after.
 
Oh sweetie, I know it''s hard but guys just don''t get our sentimental side.

I just moved in with my FF and I had about 4 boxes of old momentos and he had maybe one. He wanted me to go through my boxes again and get rid of stuff. I decided maybe I should and I found every card I got for my High School graduation...in 1995! I realized that was overkill but somethings I just can''t get rid of and although he teases me about it he has learned (in his 31 years) that it''s a girl thing and he he doesn''t need to understand it he just has to live with it.

Look at it this way your FF learned something important about you and what''s important to you and he did the right thing by taking it out of the trash and keeping it even if he didn''t get the importance of it at first.
 
Why don''t you SUGGEST combining things if he ever feels he has too much of it stored up, have one communal spot for it?
 
KC- Your right, they don''t get it!
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But I guess that''s just how they are...I just didn''t want to get rid of it because its from that first year and it goes together with the other things that we have saved. I just feel like that isn''t something to throw away. I think he already knew that these things are important to me but maybe he realized JUST how important they are. Im actually kind of glad he took it out of the trash because that maybe showed me that deep down he did care more about it than my original impression.....(I was going to run down there anyhow after he left to get it out of there but he beat me to it) and now that I think about it, it must mean SOMETHING to him to get it out of the trash and then get upset himself trying to take it back. lol! I see this now...........

dragonfly- You know, that isn''t a bad idea. He''s the one who told me to put it all in a box or something. So maybe I can talk with him about it and suggest we put the stuff together (we will one day anyway...) so why not do it now? GOOD IDEA! Thanks!
 
Date: 10/9/2008 1:45:59 PM
Author: purrfectpear
If that convo went down the way you described it you sounded like a petulant teenager. That was then. This is NOW. Some of us just aren''t into saving every little thing. Sure it was mega meaningful to you, but you got snippy with him and went from A to Z in a 5 minute convo. ''If you don''t keep this = you don''t love me''. It''s been a day now. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? It sounded that way to him too.

Please respect the fact that he is entitled to decide ON HIS OWN what he chooses to make meaningful and what is just stuff. Those choices have NOTHING to do with how he values your relationship or you, they have to do with how he values stuff. Try not to get that confused and all will be well
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Ditto. You''ll find this out the hard way when you insist on throwing out his old holey underwear and he clings on them like the treasure of the Sierra Madre.
 
Man thing I''m afraid.

I nearly murdered my husband earlier this year...

When we first met I was very ill and living with my parents 2 hours from London. I decided to knit him a sweater for Christmas - I designed a Scottish Fleets fisherman''s jersey, which is knitted in very hefty yarn and will last a lifetime. The sweater is in one colour, but has designs knitted in which have special meanings.

It''s very complicated to do as there are no seams, the whole thing is knitted on round needles in one piece and this was THE most complicated jersey I had ever made. It took me pretty much 3 months to do - working on it everyday (and sometimes 15 hours + a day).

Anyway... a moth got it earlier this year and ate a big hole in it (I can fix it). DH was all set to throw it out and couldn''t understand why I wanted to keep it and fix it.
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Grrrrrrrrr.

(My father has a jersey my mother started to knit for him the week they got engaged and finished the night before their wedding - it''s the only jumper he has that no-one is ever allowed to borrow).

So, I know how you feel - but they just don''t see it the same way as we do.
 
I agree, this is a typical Mars/Venus story.

Guys don''t keep stuff like that as often, he sees a planner taking up space.

Girls tend to look for meaning into things. You tied that planner to the early days of your relationship, and a symbol of the fact you have been together for a long time. In your mind, it was not just a planner he was throwing away, so you got upset.

Learning to see through each other''s eyes will help you continue to enjoy a long relationship. I am still learning how to do that with my boyfriend. I had a smiliar situation last week and my family and friend told me the same thing as everyone here is telling you.
 

First of all, I’m sorry you are so hurt and had such an awful night.


That said, I think that once you calm down about the situation you can see it a little more clearly. Not everyone is the same or holds on to “things” as sentimental values. Some people like to hold on to just the memory. I think that him bringing it over to your house was his way of keeping the planner along with all of the things that you have kept from your relationship together. He wasn’t throwing it out, he was giving it to you for keepsakes. I know that it was hard to see that then.


My FI doesn’t keep anything I give him. I take that back. He has cards that I have given him stuffed in his 6 year old car. And they are stuffed in the exact same spot that I put it in after he read it. He just doesn’t hold on to that stuff (neither do I really…he has given me teddy bears and I have no clue where they are).


I’m sorry you are feeling so sad. Hopefully he can see why this hurt you so much and apologize. But I also think it would be fair to step back and see from his perspective too.
 
Oh im so sorry Dreamgirl. *HUGS* for you.

Id put it down as a silly boy episode and try to forget it, i think the others are right in that people get attached to different things you know.

But more *hugs* to you anyways.
 
For starters, Im at home now and the font on my first post IS HUGE!!!!
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(I made the first post at work and something was crazy with that. I don't know if it looks larger for all of you..) Sorry about that...
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I thiink I understand where he was coming from. And he is a guy so I'll cut him some slack! I really think he just approached the situation in a way that I misunderstood in which I over-reacted. I really think he felt bad too. I can see that now.

I feel so much better now though after hearing what everyone had to say!! I thank you all so much!!!
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Much love to my fellow PS'ers!!! Im going to let this go now...............lol
TG- lol you are hilarious! And I can actually see that happening...

Pandora- Sorry about the moth! That would have upset me too! Thank you for your support!

LtlFirecracker- You are SO right about that! I do see it as a symbol and not just a planner.

fieryred- Thank you! I think I understand now where he was probably coming from...

Blackpaw- Awwwwwww thank you so much for the hugs!!
 
I''m one of those people who doesn''t believe in keeping that kind of stuff. It''s great that you have those memories, but do you need to keep all of that stuff in order to remember it? It''s great that you want all of it, but I think you should be understanding that he might not.

My dh is often more sentimental than me. When he gives me cards, notes, etc., they usually sit around for a few days, and then I throw them out. Sometimes I feel guilty like I should want to keep all that, but mostly I realize if I did keep it, it would just sit around collecting dust. Every once in a while I''ll really like one and keep it, but I think your bf was right when he said that if you kept all that stuff forever, you wouldn''t have room for anything else. Plus, why spend all your time reliving your past when you can focus on your present and future?
 
Guys... They just won''t understand (allow me to have just one generalisation) how we feel sentimental about such things! SO recently broke a pair of earphones that I gave him for his birthday due to his own carelessness, and while he was sad that it was broken, he wanted to throw it away immediately! I got really upset and told him that I keep all the presents he gave me even though some of them are broken. He told me that he''ll keep it, but only cos I wanted him to.
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Date: 10/9/2008 4:08:22 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 10/9/2008 1:45:59 PM
Author: purrfectpear
If that convo went down the way you described it you sounded like a petulant teenager. That was then. This is NOW. Some of us just aren''t into saving every little thing. Sure it was mega meaningful to you, but you got snippy with him and went from A to Z in a 5 minute convo. ''If you don''t keep this = you don''t love me''. It''s been a day now. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? It sounded that way to him too.

Please respect the fact that he is entitled to decide ON HIS OWN what he chooses to make meaningful and what is just stuff. Those choices have NOTHING to do with how he values your relationship or you, they have to do with how he values stuff. Try not to get that confused and all will be well
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Ditto. You''ll find this out the hard way when you insist on throwing out his old holey underwear and he clings on them like the treasure of the Sierra Madre.
Hahaha TGal, I couldn''t have said it better. Well, it was a T-shirt in our case. Boy oh boy, when he found out I was planning to get rid of it...
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