Is this a fisheye or nailhead? Diagnose my diamond

[Rose2519]

I know something is off about this round, after reading this forum (and considering a side job as a gemologist ) and nerding out on learning about my favorite stone.

On this round, the light just hits the middle and pours out, then there’s this dark zone at the bottom. When the bright light hits directly it just kind of seems to hit the center and fall flat with little contrast. Is this a fish eye or a nail head or something else? I don’t have it certified.

By contrast my emerald is a totally different type of diamond (lab but just wanted to compare), it’s way more bright and the light doesn’t pour off weird areas and it’s super clear and even looking both in pics and IRL. I know offhand it’s an F VVS2 according to what I recall.

 

[tyty333]

Do you have any paperwork on the stone? GIA report, etc.?

 

[Rose2519]

Do you have any paperwork on the stone? GIA report, etc.?

Nope it’s ungraded, which I know means it’s probably not a great stone. My husband and I both didn’t understand diamonds back then!

 

[lovedogs]

Unfortunately it's hard to tell much from the pics.

 

[Dreamer_D]

I don’t want to be weird or alarming but are you totally sure it’s a diamond? The light play is very unusual.

 

[Ally T]

I don’t want to be weird or alarming but are you totally sure it’s a diamond? The light play is very unusual.

This is what i thought too, but didn’t want to cause any upset to the OP.

Love the emerald ring! Awesome finger coverage & I bet it lights up in the sunshine

 

[Rose2519]

I don’t want to be weird or alarming but are you totally sure it’s a diamond? The light play is very unusual.

Yes, unless someone lied to my husband. Because before we got this I had a CZ when we got engaged and he told me straight out right away it’s a CZ because he’s shopping for a real diamond. He did say this diamond was wholesale and that he’s not sure about quality and he thinks it was a lab diamond. He said he didn’t understand quality and that he’s not sure how good it is, just that it’s large. He also told me ball park of what he paid, several thousand. In other lights it looks different: I’ve compared it to CZ and Moissanite. I don’t think he would lie to me…I think it just looks like a low quality diamond…it’s also heavy and my similar sized CZ equivalent is way less heavy

 

[Ally T]

Yes, unless someone lied to my husband. Because before we got this I had a CZ when we got engaged and he told me straight out right away it’s a CZ because he’s shopping for a real diamond. He did say this diamond was wholesale and that he’s not sure about quality and he thinks it was a lab diamond. He said he didn’t understand quality and that he’s not sure how good it is, just that it’s large. He also told me ball park of what he paid, several thousand. In other lights it looks different: I’ve compared it to CZ and Moissanite. I don’t think he would lie to me…I think it just looks like a low quality diamond…it’s also heavy and my similar sized CZ equivalent is way less heavy

Ah, definitely looks more like a diamond in the bottom picture. It’s a honker!

Can only be the cut that causes the light play in that case.

 

[Rose2519]

This is what i thought too, but didn’t want to cause any upset to the OP.

Love the emerald ring! Awesome finger coverage & I bet it lights up in the sunshine

Thank you, the emerald is certified. I have other pics of my stone. It’s around 3 carats. My husband proposed with a CZ and told me right away it’s not the real one yet and he’s shopping. It was a different ring than this one. I’ve compared it to the CZ which is similar size. This weights a lot more than CZ and looks different. I don’t think my husband would lie to me but I think it’s possible he didn’t get a good deal, he admitted he was budgeting a lot and that he wasn’t able to get paperwork.

Here are more pics where it seems to look more like a diamond to me.

 

[Rose2519]

Ah, definitely looks more like a diamond in the bottom picture. It’s a honker!

Can only be the cut that causes the light play in that case.

Yeah he said a guy who isn’t a professional told him it’s a good one for his budget and he priorities size. It’s a big diamond and I think the color and inclusion grades would be decent, but that the proportions suck. It does sparkle in some lights but not so well, and I think it’s a fair or poor with a lot of leakage. It’s a Sateur and they sell Moissanite, stimulant and lab grown diamonds. I also got a Sateur stimulant diamond later on that’s similar sized and you can tell holding them together that this is the diamond

 

[Rose2519]

This is the Sateur lab grown diamond from their site, it doesn’t look like it’s well made either. Kinda similar to this one, and my band is heavy, platinum plated gold and says Sateur on it.

 

[Ally T]

Yeah he said a guy who isn’t a professional told him it’s a good one for his budget and he priorities size. It’s a big diamond and I think the color and inclusion grades would be decent, but that the proportions suck. It does sparkle in some lights but not so well, and I think it’s a fair or poor with a lot of leakage. It’s a Sateur and they sell Moissanite, stimulant and lab grown diamonds. I also got a Sateur stimulant diamond later on that’s similar sized and you can tell holding them together that this is the diamond

Now that you have your lovely emerald ring, would you consider giving the old girl a re-cut? You could definitely make enquiries as to how much weight she would lose if you did, but it would transform her sparkle completely.

 

[Rose2519]

Thank you, the emerald is certified. I have other pics of my stone. It’s around 3 carats. My husband proposed with a CZ and told me right away it’s not the real one yet and he’s shopping. It was a different ring than this one. I’ve compared it to the CZ which is similar size. This weights a lot more than CZ and looks different. I don’t think my husband would lie to me but I think it’s possible he didn’t get a good deal, he admitted he was budgeting a lot and that he wasn’t able to get paperwork.

Here are more pics where it seems to look more like a diamond to me.

I think here it looks much better and

Now that you have your lovely emerald ring, would you consider giving the old girl a re-cut? You could definitely make enquiries as to how much weight she would lose if you did, but it would transform her sparkle completely.

I would consider it but I also don’t want to offend my husband as I’m not married so long yet-although I think part of the reason he was happy to get the emerald (besides it being a great deal on a lab diamond) is bc on some level maybe he knows this isn’t such a good stone. I do kind of want to get it appraised eventually though. My guess would be it’s a poor cut proportionally.

 

[Rose2519]

I think here it looks much better and

I would consider it but I also don’t want to offend my husband as I’m not married so long yet-although I think part of the reason he was happy to get the emerald (besides it being a great deal on a lab diamond) is bc on some level maybe he knows this isn’t such a good stone. I do kind of want to get it appraised eventually though. My guess would be it’s a poor cut proportionally. And it’s crazy how much better the emerald looks, even though rounds are the most brilliant. My husband was also amazed by how good the emerald looks, he liked the shape a lot and I ended up loving it. I was considering upgrading to a smaller round but we both fell in love with the emerald.

 

[lovedogs]

My guess is it's a natural diamond but it's been treated somehow (clarity enhanced, heat enhanced, etc). Unfortunately the cut isn't good, so it won't sparkle the way you hoped.

You can definitely reach out to folks at SW diamond cutters to see if they can recut it. That way you'll have the original stone but the performance will be improved dramatically.

 

[Rose2519]

Ah, definitely looks more like a diamond in the bottom picture. It’s a honker!

Can only be the cut that causes the light play in that case.

I think in the bottom pic it’s stunning. It just looks so bad in other lights!

 

[Rose2519]

My guess is it's a natural diamond but it's been treated somehow (clarity enhanced, heat enhanced, etc). Unfortunately the cut isn't good, so it won't sparkle the way you hoped.

You can definitely reach out to folks at SW diamond cutters to see if they can recut it. That way you'll have the original stone but the performance will be improved dramatically.

Can a recut totally transform a poorly cut diamond? It’s def an idea but only if I don’t offend my husband in the process. He definitely seems to like my emerald a lot more than this ring…I think it was some type of dud diamond that someone wanted to sell off for cheap and used the large size as a selling point. Ironically my husband shopped on his own but asked me what I want, so had I known what I know now I would have said I want a certified lab diamond and stressed how quality matters over size. Because he just did what he thought would make me the most happy. That’s why part of me feels bad changing it, even if it could be improved.

 

[lovedogs]

Can a recut totally transform a poorly cut diamond? It’s def an idea but only if I don’t offend my husband in the process. He definitely seems to like my emerald a lot more than this ring…I think it was some type of dud diamond that someone wanted to sell off for cheap and used the large size as a selling point. Ironically my husband shopped on his own but asked me what I want, so had I known what I know now I would have said I want a certified lab diamond and stressed how quality matters over size. Because he just did what he thought would make me the most happy. That’s why part of me feels bad changing it, even if it could be improved.

Yup, recurring can completely change rhe stone. But it's not without risk, so I would definitely make sure you both are comfortable w the process, etc.

 

[Lookinagain]

The bottom photo looks so much better than the top, it almost looks like two different stones to me. Were the photos taken at the same time?

I think what I would do is try to find out if it has been treated, or clarity enhanced, etc. first. If the answer is no, then I'd talk to my husband and say that since the emerald cut is so stunning, you don't want your ER to be out-shined and would like to check into sprucing it up a bit. Use gentle words. He might agree right off and then you could send it to SW Diamond cutters to see what they think they could do. I don't know your husband, so maybe my advice is off, but that's how I would handle it.
There are threads showing stones that have been recut which you can look at. The transformations are pretty striking. I'll try to find one.

Here's one for studs but I know there are better threads you could find.

Diamond studs recut by Brian Gavin - before and after

Earlier this year I began toying with trading in my diamond studs for better quality ones. They were a gift from DH and I was thrilled to have them, but couldn’t help a nagging feeling after a year or so (and lots of PS oogling :lol:) that they could be better. I reached out to Whiteflash about...

www.pricescope.com

 

[tyty333]

Agree with @lookingagain, you need to know what you have first. If its enhanced I doubt they would be willing to recut it
(but might depend on why it was enhanced and how big the clarity issues are). I think I just saw today recutting is running
$750 a carat plus GIA report and shipping between you and the cutter and GIA. You are looking at at least $2.5k minimum
for a recut just to give you a ballpark (probably more like $3k).

Jumping the gun a little but FYI...you can check out Southwest Diamond Cutters options here

Services - Southwest Diamond Cutters

Southwest Diamond Cutters offers a complete array of services available to the industry Standard Cutting Services All stones will be cut to a fine make (generally Very Good to Excellent) Facet girdle Inscription removal Stones over 5.00 carats will be priced upon inspection There is a minimum...

southwestdiamondcutters.com

 

[Karl_K]

Start with a local appraiser to get a better idea of what you have.
PS has an outdated appraiser list that may help or post the nearest big city and someone may know of a good appraiser in your area.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Those photos are much clearer! Agree with previous posters about how to proceed. A reliable appraisal would be a helpful first step.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Hmm, I don't know if I'd pay for a lab recut.
For lab prices I would weigh if just getting a better cut new stone is more economical. You could get a nice stone for @2k or less.
If you decide to get a new diamond start a thread and ask for help looking, we have several gurus here who will find you a killer rock for a low price.

 

[mayaINaU]

Hmm, I don't know if I'd pay for a lab recut.
For lab prices I would weigh if just getting a better cut new stone is more economical. You could get a nice stone for @2k or less.
If you decide to get a new diamond start a thread and ask for help looking, we have several gurus here who will find you a killer rock for a low price.

If it’s lab or treated in some way, I would not pay for a recut. You could get a new lab stone with perfect cut instead.

 

[lovedogs]

I should clarify: I wouldn't ever recommend recutting a lab unless for sentimental reasons. That's why I thought OP might consider it vs getting a new stone

 

[Grymera]

I agree @lovedogs. What about getting the diamond reset into a pendant? Cheaper than the options above, maintains the sentimentality of the stone, and I think pendants can be pretty forgiving. Especially if you put it in a sparkly diamond halo to give the whole piece some extra light play and fire.




This is a large 8mm round OEC pendant to give you an idea of the proportions.

And if you miss having a round ering, then it’s easy peasy to buy another lab ring to replace it!!!

 

[purplesilk]

Hi!
I took a look at the Satour website.
- Satour mounts lab damonds on 18kt gold settings, not on Pt settings;
- Satour mounts their Satour's gemstones on Pt plated 925 silver;
- lab diamonds come with IGI certificate;
- lab diamonds come with laser inscribed IGI number on the girdle.
My suggestion: use a loop and look for the laser inscription on the stone girdle.
My thoughts: you have a Satour's gemstone, not a lab diamond.

Anyway, this thread (and the other one you opened asking about the same stone) doesn't belong to the RockyTalky forum: please ask the admnistrator to move both your threads to the correct forum.

I sincerely hope you'll get the aswers you're looking for.
Best to you,
purplesilk

 

[Rose2519]

Hi!
I took a look at the Satour website.
- Satour mounts lab damonds on 18kt gold settings, not on Pt settings;
- Satour mounts their Satour's gemstones on Pt plated 925 silver;
- lab diamonds come with IGI certificate;
- lab diamonds come with laser inscribed IGI number on the girdle.
My suggestion: use a loop and look for the laser inscription on the stone girdle.
My thoughts: you have a Satour's gemstone, not a lab diamond.

Anyway, this thread (and the other one you opened asking about the same stone) doesn't belong to the RockyTalky forum: please ask the admnistrator to move both your threads to the correct forum.

I sincerely hope you'll get the aswers you're looking for.
Best to you,
purplesilk

Husband said it was from a third party who sold him that and the guy wanted to charge a lot extra for a certificate. I have a sateur gem also that we ordered and the diamond looks different. The sateur gem is very light. This is heavy like a diamond. Unless a jeweler took the sateur setting and put in a different stone and said he can have it appraised for extra money. That would make sense. Not sure which forum to move it to.

This is another picture and I think it does look like a real diamond here.

 

[Rfisher]

I don’t think how it looks like in your pictures
is like a nailhead nor a fisheye.

In tandem to the facet pattern not looking like an ‘ideal’ - I think it’s looking like a different to diamond’s RI performs in a brilliant cut.

 

[purplesilk]

Husband said it was from a third party who sold him that and the guy wanted to charge a lot extra for a certificate. I have a sateur gem also that we ordered and the diamond looks different. The sateur gem is very light. This is heavy like a diamond. Unless a jeweler took the sateur setting and put in a different stone and said he can have it appraised for extra money. That would make sense. Not sure which forum to move it to.

This is another picture and I think it does look like a real diamond here.

I'm confused by your posts: I got that your ring was by Satour and it was sold as a lab diamond...my apologies if I got something wrong!