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I was looking to upgrade my diamond and I had come across this diamond: 2 ct, table 60%, depth 60.8%, pavilion angles 40.8, crown angle 35.5

It has the EX sym, VG polish, EX cut from GIA and has "H&A" incription

I have heard that "ideal" cut table nomarlly are 54%-57%, so not sure if this 60% table is good even though it is EX cut on the GIA report.

Your help is very appreciated. Thanks!
 
Date: 7/31/2009 11:45:36 AM
Author:loverock
I was looking to upgrade my diamond and I had come across this diamond: 2 ct, table 60%, depth 60.8%, pavilion angles 40.8, crown angle 35.5

It has the EX sym, VG polish, EX cut from GIA and has 'H&A' incription

I have heard that 'ideal' cut table nomarlly are 54%-57%, so not sure if this 60% table is good even though it is EX cut on the GIA report.

Your help is very appreciated. Thanks!
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Welcome LR!

Due to the angle combo an Idealscope image is really needed - the table size is fine, some really love the 60 60 makes ( 60% table, 60% depth). Is it with an online vendor?

54- 57% table is a rule of thumb some of us use here, however it is a guide and a 60% table is perfectly acceptable as long as the rest of the proportions work well, see if you can get an Idealscope image and we can go from there. If you aren't familiar with IS this page explains.

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance
 
HI Loverock,
personally I''ve always felt that 57% can be lovely...but IMO makes a table look small, and 60% l can look just right to my eye.

In any event, I second Lorelei''s question- is this from an online vendor, and have you seen the diamond - either firsthand, or photographically?
 
I don''t like glare and therefore don''t like tables. The smaller the better for me. But yes, it''s a personal preference. The stone you''re asking about may well be very pretty, but like Lorelei suggested, an IdealScope image of the stone is a good ideas.
 
elle- in my experience the difference between a 57% and a 60% table is not one where you''d notice "glare" more significantly.
The difference is subtle.
 
Date: 7/31/2009 12:20:59 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
elle- in my experience the difference between a 57% and a 60% table is not one where you''d notice ''glare'' more significantly.
The difference is subtle.
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I know. I''m just saying that i don''t like glare. So for me, no table would be perfect! but as that''s not possible, i just like to keep it as small as i possibly can. The difference between a 54 and 60% table is noticeable though.
 
Date: 7/31/2009 12:20:59 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
elle- in my experience the difference between a 57% and a 60% table is not one where you''d notice ''glare'' more significantly.
The difference is subtle.
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If that is the case, then a 57 shouldn''t necessarily look "small", right? If it''s that subtle...
 
HI Ellen,
In my experience neither 53 or 57% table would look "small" to the naked eye.... especially someone not trained to calculate table size.
However if you looked with a loupe the difference would be easy for many people to see.

ETA- Iwanna- your diamond looks AMAZING!!
I'll bet I'd have my socks knocked off if I saw it in person!
 
Date: 7/31/2009 12:41:04 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/31/2009 12:20:59 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
elle- in my experience the difference between a 57% and a 60% table is not one where you''d notice ''glare'' more significantly.
The difference is subtle.
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If that is the case, then a 57 shouldn''t necessarily look ''small'', right? If it''s that subtle...
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Good point!
 
Date: 7/31/2009 12:57:39 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
HI Ellen,
In my experience neither 53 or 57% table would look ''small'' to the naked eye.... especially someone not trained to calculate table size.
However if you looked with a loupe the difference would be easy for many people to see.

ETA- Iwanna- your diamond looks AMAZING!!
I''ll bet I''d have my socks knocked off if I saw it in person!
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Then David, why did you feel the need to say earlier, "personally I''ve always felt that 57% can be lovely...but IMO makes a table look small"? We are almost always speaking to consumers about looking at stones with the naked eye. No need to answer.
 
HI Ellen,
I mentioned it because the OP had the impression there was something lesser about a diamond simply because it had a 60% table.

Yes the differences are subtle- however if someone had been shown both, and wanted to learn how to see the difference it would be fairly easy to show them.
 
Date: 7/31/2009 12:01:59 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
HI Loverock,

personally I''ve always felt that 57% can be lovely...but IMO makes a table look small, and 60% l can look just right to my eye.


In any event, I second Lorelei''s question- is this from an online vendor, and have you seen the diamond - either firsthand, or photographically?
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This diamond is from one of the Jeweler stores. I have seen it. It looks beautiful to me. But I am not an expert...I have seen the arrows and the hearts from their microscope, but still just wondering - I thought the hearts and arrows can only be for those "ideal" diamonds (smaller tables). Is this a true nice cut diamond??
 
No one can really answer specific questions without examining the diamond personally- however if you've seen it and love it, and it has a GIA report calling it "EX" cut grade, there is every reason to believe it is indeed, a very well cut diamond.

The term "Ideal" ( when used to describe a diamond's cut) is often misused.
 
54- 57% table is a rule of thumb some of us use here, however it is a guide and a 60% table is perfectly acceptable as long as the rest of the proportions work well, see if you can get an Idealscope image and we can go from there. If you aren''t familiar with IS this page explains.




I have all the information about this diamond, only not the idealscope image. what other proportions do you think I can give you to see if it is a truly great diamond? Thanks.
 
I can see that people could come to have a preference for table size that influences what they would choose or reject. Alternatively, others would sort of be indifferent between two well cut stones but with different table sizes, as both well cut stones would be beautiful in slightly different ways. For those with strong preferences, it sort of makes diamond buying easier because you really know what you want and you are well educated to know the subtle differences involved.

On a slightly different topic, I would assume the table size would become more relevant and material the bigger the diamond is. I have seen some really huge rbs and sometimes the table is so big that you really notice it as a feature. Well it stands to reason the a bigger diamond will have a bigger `face`....so the features are more prominent. Im talking 3 plus carats I think!
 
Date: 7/31/2009 2:23:57 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
No one can really answer specific questions without examining the diamond personally- however if you''ve seen it and love it, and it has a GIA report calling it ''EX'' cut grade, there is every reason to believe it is indeed, a very well cut diamond.


The term ''Ideal'' ( when used to describe a diamond''s cut) is often misused.
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Thanks David.

I have read some information on the web, and it seems it is almost impossible to create hearts and arrows for a combination of 60% table, 35.5 crown angle. That''s why I am totally confused. Am I seeing what I saw?
 
Date: 7/31/2009 2:25:14 PM
Author: loverock



54- 57% table is a rule of thumb some of us use here, however it is a guide and a 60% table is perfectly acceptable as long as the rest of the proportions work well, see if you can get an Idealscope image and we can go from there. If you aren't familiar with IS this page explains.




I have all the information about this diamond, only not the idealscope image. what other proportions do you think I can give you to see if it is a truly great diamond? Thanks.
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The only other way to judge could be by an idealscope or actually seeing it. Since we can't see it for you, the idealscope would help. If that's not possible, can you have it appraised before making the purchase final? You'd be able to go over the nuances of the stone and get a professional, unbiased opinion provided the appraiser is independant.

Also, have you seen the stone in various lighting conditions, away from the pretty store lights? If you can, do it. If you have and still love it, then it may be the right choice for you.

Hearts and Arrows refers to symmetry, not light return. A bad perfomer can still be an H&A . Don't confuse the two.
 
basic combo comes out around AGS1 or 2 depending on which way the GIA rounding went.
60% tabled stone can have hearts...

60Thearts.jpg
 
and arrows...

60Tarrows.jpg
 
Without a doubt, appraisers serve a very valuable purpose.
IN this case, if loverock is comfortable with the vendor, it is my feeling that an appraiser''s opinion may not be needed.
We''re talking about a GIA EX cut grade that loverock is personally inspecting. What would the appraiser tell loverock about the stone''s appearance that is lacking now?

Of course if there''s doubt about the vendor''s truthfullness and one wanted to verify, that would be a good reason for the appraiser.
However my feeling is, if there is ANY doubt you will be getting the diamond on the GIA report, find another seller.

Bottom line- by all means use an appraiser if that''s what you want to do- but not to decide if you like the diamond.
 
Date: 7/31/2009 2:42:17 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Without a doubt, appraisers serve a very valuable purpose.
IN this case, if loverock is comfortable with the vendor, it is my feeling that an appraiser's opinion may not be needed.
We're talking about a GIA EX cut grade that loverock is personally inspecting. What would the appraiser tell loverock about the stone's appearance that is lacking now?

Of course if there's doubt about the vendor's truthfullness and one wanted to verify, that would be a good reason for the appraiser.
However my feeling is, if there is ANY doubt you will be getting the diamond on the GIA report, find another seller.

Bottom line- by all means use an appraiser if that's what you want to do- but not to decide if you like the diamond.
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If she wasn't in doubt, she wouldn't be posting here, that's the first thing.
The second is , i don't give a rats behind what any jeweler or vendor tells me. If it's an expensive purchase there's no way I wouldn't get an independant appraisel on it if for no other reason that to verify the color,clarity because let's face it, GIA and AGS have NOT always been right and to make sure it matches the report
Also, if I don't understand what I'm looking at, a professional that has no affiliation with the jeweler is the ONLY one I can trust.
There is absolutely no reason not to get an appraisal unless you're 100% comfortable with your jeweler, and have had enough prior experiences with them to trust their product is what they say. And the only way to know that, is through an appraisal.
 
Date: 7/31/2009 2:25:14 PM
Author: loverock



54- 57% table is a rule of thumb some of us use here, however it is a guide and a 60% table is perfectly acceptable as long as the rest of the proportions work well, see if you can get an Idealscope image and we can go from there. If you aren''t familiar with IS this page explains.




I have all the information about this diamond, only not the idealscope image. what other proportions do you think I can give you to see if it is a truly great diamond? Thanks.
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If you could also post the -

girdle thickness
diameter in MM
star and lower girdle facet percentages
fluorescence if applicable

That would help. All of the above info you will find on the GIA report. Also if having a h&a diamond is important to you, images of the hearts and arrows are essential in order to judge overall cut precision. If you aren''t bothered about h&a but just want a pretty diamond then this one might fit the bill. What I would suggest is to have a look in person at some others so you can see how a well cut diamond looks, try Jareds to compare their AGS0 Peerless or Hearts on Fire if there is a dealer near you.
 
Date: 7/31/2009 12:27:40 PM
Author: elle_chris

Date: 7/31/2009 12:20:59 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
elle- in my experience the difference between a 57% and a 60% table is not one where you''d notice ''glare'' more significantly.
The difference is subtle.
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I know. I''m just saying that i don''t like glare. So for me, no table would be perfect! but as that''s not possible, i just like to keep it as small as i possibly can. The difference between a 54 and 60% table is noticeable though.
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I completely agree! My old diamond had a 59% table and my new one is 56.33%. I noticed a HUGE difference. I much prefer a smaller table, but in the end its about personal preference...
 
HI elle,
Of course everyone who purchases should do whatever it is they feel they need to so as to be comfortable. Some people actually do trust some sellers. It''s an individual thing.
Clearly, if loverock feels an apprasial is in order, go for it!
The doubt that loverock expressed was more over the size of the table.

I don''t know that knowing an apprasier''s opinion of which table size they like better would add anything...

I''d also add that knowing girdle thickness,diameter and the others measurements will still not answer the question as to if this is a "great diamond"
Knowing GIA called it EX cut grade, and that loverock has seen it and loves it seem, to me anyway, more important.
 
Lorelei

Here is the full information of this diamond:

2ct
F
VS1
8.07-8.11x4.93mm
table 60%
depth 60.9%
pavilion angle 40.8
crown angle 35.5
crown height 14.5%
pavilion depth 43%
girdle medium to slightly thick (3.6%)
Culet none

fluorescence none
VG polish
EX symmetry
EX cut

what''s star and lower girdle facet percentages? I have a 45% on the copy and lower portion 80% - not sure if that''s it

Thanks!
 
Date: 7/31/2009 3:25:54 PM
Author: ImpatientOne
Date: 7/31/2009 12:27:40 PM

Author: elle_chris


Date: 7/31/2009 12:20:59 PM

Author: Rockdiamond

elle- in my experience the difference between a 57% and a 60% table is not one where you''d notice ''glare'' more significantly.

The difference is subtle.
Click to expand...
I know. I''m just saying that i don''t like glare. So for me, no table would be perfect! but as that''s not possible, i just like to keep it as small as i possibly can. The difference between a 54 and 60% table is noticeable though.
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I completely agree! My old diamond had a 59% table and my new one is 56.33%. I noticed a HUGE difference. I much prefer a smaller table, but in the end its about personal preference...
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My current diamond is a 54% table. Going for a 60% table would be a change for me. That''s why I am hesitating and wanna make sure that it is worth it!
 
how does it compare to your current diamond in the same lighting?
 
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