ISEE 2 DIAMOND Inscription Analysis

[slipkids]

Guys

Had wonderful stoned looked at today, by one of those great appraisers listed on PS. The stone examined was mint, extremely
excellent cut. The only dilemma was that we wasnt able to identify the laser inscription on the table facet, as it states in the AGS report.
He looked everywhere for a good 15 minutes and could not find the inscription, even with a 90x magnification. By not identifying the branding, points are reduced from the appraised value of the stone. Is it true, that you need an Isee 2 machine to identify the laser inscription on the table facet, as stated in the AGS report. Any thoughts on this anyone?? So what does one do now, as this affects my appraisial value, which is incomplete. The paper work does not match (AGS). I still can return the stone and check elsewhere. You figure the appraiser would have all the instruments necessary to analyze this. Im a little irate at the situation.

 

[JulieN]

I am confused as to why an inscription is on the table, or why you would need an ISEE machine to see the inscription.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/26/2006 11:28:12 PM
Author:slipkids

Guys

Had wonderful stoned looked at today, by one of those great appraisers listed on PS. The stone examined was mint, extremely
excellent cut. The only dilemma was that we wasnt able to identify the laser inscription on the table facet, as it states in the AGS report.
He looked everywhere for a good 15 minutes and could not find the inscription, even with a 90x magnification. By not identifying the branding, points are reduced from the appraised value of the stone. Is it true, that you need an Isee 2 machine to identify the laser inscription on the table facet, as stated in the AGS report. Any thoughts on this anyone?? So what does one do now, as this affects my appraisial value, which is incomplete. The paper work does not match (AGS). I still can return the stone and check elsewhere. You figure the appraiser would have all the instruments necessary to analyze this. Im a little irate at the situation.

Hi Slip.

I own an Isee2 diamond, they''re beautiful aren''t they? At any rate, I purchased online from a very trustworthy vendor, and took the ring after receiving it to an appraisor, just for the sake of being prudent. They also could not see the logo and number. I didn''t want a full evaluation, I got that from my vendor. Not sure what to tell you about that part. It is my only complaint with this diamond.

I even asked Isee2 why they made it so difficult to identify. They''re explanation was that this way, the ID# could not be buffed off, as it could be if lasered on the girdle. While I agreed they had solved that problem, I also let them know they had made it extremely difficult to identify the stone PERIOD. I have a VS1, so I know my stone by 1. simply having spent so much time with it, 2. I can see no inclusions at all with the loupe, and 3. it''s a hearts and arrows. The chances of someone switching my stone with one that meets all that is slim.

I wouldn''t return the stone, I honestly don''t think you''d find a better one. If you don''t feel comfortable just learning the look of your stone, you could have the girdle inscribed.

It''s frustrating, I know. How much is it affecting your appraisal?

 

[RockDoc]

RE: Not being able to see the ISEE 2 inscription affecting the appraisal value.


I find this rather strange. If the appraisal is for insuring it, and you presented the ISEE2 paperwork, I think that should be enough to substanciate that the stone is an ISEE stone. The cutting of them should be essentially different from the "average"type stone that is seen by the appraiser. The ISEE2 diamonds are essentially very well cut and proportioned stones, which show really exemplary light return. Those characteristics should be relatively easy for the appraiser to verify.

The appraiser could state what the facts are which is that both you and the seller represent the stone as an ISEE2, and that it is valued as such, but the inscription could not be verified by sight.

I am a little confused about the AGS report not matching something. What doesn''t match - the ability to see the inscription? OR something else?

I do know that the ISEE 2 inscriptions are extremely difficult to see.

Rockdoc

 

[Ellen]

RockDoc,

I reread their post again. On you questioning the AGS report not matching something, I "think" he just means, the ID# and logo couldn''t be matched to the ID# and logo stated on the cert.

I also wondered, if everything else matched, color, clarity, etc., plus what you stated as far as cut, why it''s being deducted because you can''t see the ID. I would think that''s enough, but I''m not an appraisor, nor did I need an full appraisal like they do.

 

[Regular Guy]

Per Rock''s general confirmation...I''m guessing your appraiser may need to go to school on ISEEs, and what you should and shouldn''t be expected to see. Sounds like they use an identification system that you wouldn''t expect to be able to read under maybe even high power...microscopic in nature. Perhaps you can have your jewelery store have a rep from ISEE call them. I couldn''t see this detail yesterday when I looked on the GOG site for it...but I really think your appraiser''s lack of info is making him devalue the diamond, when this is not appropriate.

Not sure, though. Also, it would be better, if I''m correct, if the appraiser could do his own research, rather than be contacted by someone on your behalf.

 

[Arcam]

if I recall correctly, only a small portion of the ISEE2 inscription was visible under either 40x when Martin Fuller inspected/appraised the diamond I purchased. I might have pictures back at home, but I would have to check.

 

[slipkids]

RockDoc

Im still awaiting for them to revise their appraisal, and identify the inscription, or provide substantial evidence, this is indeed a branded diamond. It ridiculous how the issee company puts out a diamond, inscribes it, and the public cannot view it, because they have to purchase their reader machines, or fill a quota of issee diamonds sold to vendors.

sure its effecting the appraisal value, its a branded stone, and to legitamize the asp report, it should be placed in the appraisal.

stay tuned,

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Why can''t the person selling you the stone give you an insurance valuation? Surely they believe it is an ISee2 stone since they purchased it!!! The only purpose of an independent appraisal is to verify you are buying what is represented on a certificate (color, clarity, cut, weight). So as long as he can verify everything else about the stone, then use your vendor''s insurance valuation for the insurance.

Is the appraised value by this appraiser less than you paid without the ISee2 confirmation? There is absolutely no reason to get an inflated appraisal. It just runs up the cost of the insurance premium!

 

[Modified Brilliant]

Date: 9/27/2006 11:46:18 AM
Author: RockDoc
RE: Not being able to see the ISEE 2 inscription affecting the appraisal value.


I find this rather strange. If the appraisal is for insuring it, and you presented the ISEE2 paperwork, I think that should be enough to substanciate that the stone is an ISEE stone. The cutting of them should be essentially different from the ''average''type stone that is seen by the appraiser. The ISEE2 diamonds are essentially very well cut and proportioned stones, which show really exemplary light return. Those characteristics should be relatively easy for the appraiser to verify.

The appraiser could state what the facts are which is that both you and the seller represent the stone as an ISEE2, and that it is valued as such, but the inscription could not be verified by sight.

I am a little confused about the AGS report not matching something. What doesn''t match - the ability to see the inscription? OR something else?

I do know that the ISEE 2 inscriptions are extremely difficult to see.

Rockdoc

The ISEE diamond is accompanied by documentation. If every detail of the diamond matches the report but the appraiser could not read the inscription...state that as being the case and finalize the appraisal. I''m in agreement with Rockdoc.

www.metrojewelryappraisers.com

 

[slipkids]

The appraiser is conversing with members of AGS and a few others, I was informed, on how to handle this.

Just present the Isee 2 paperwork, along with photographs, and that should be enough to substantiate the finding.

Im a novice, but a realist. Its that simple

 

[slipkids]

The paperwork which substantiates the classification of an ISEE 2 diamond, has and was submitted to an independent appriaiser, and it was meaningless to him. We need to provide all the evidence to rework the appraisial honestly. ex. brand name, inscription #, etc. How can anyone substantiate our findings, if the independent guy cant find it himself. I agree on this.

There are a lot of appraisers out there, that do not understand the technology involved here, of an ISEE 2 diamond. There is a proprietory reader involved, which is quite expensive. I saw my stone thru this reader just the other day, and saw the markings that match the AGS report. This should be reported in the appraisial as well as the ISEE 2 name. End of story. It is a cut above regular stones. End of story.

We want a fair shake to state the facts by someone independently. Sure the store where you purchased the stone, can provide you with an appraisal workup to your hearts content. They can even excaberate or exaggerate the value, but that wont do be any good in paying outrageously high premiums. That is why an independent guy is in place for peace of mind, and sure we can compare appraisals from the store bought, as well as the independent guy, and reach a conclusion, which one we are going to use for insurance purposes.

 

[RockDoc]

Hi Slipkids

Well sounds like it is working out in authenticating the brand of it.

Congratulation on your new pet rock.

Rockdoc